If the race was boring you have got to blame the track itself, bloody hell it looked like a one-lined,hard packed motocross track after they've watered it! Take the usual suspects out off the equation, the mid pack was a corker. Money was on spies but hats off to Stoner he rode well, also Dani seemed over happy with 2nd today.
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I'm not convinced that HRC is to blame for that. I think SuperSic (Segno Il Cervello) manages to do that all by himself.
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Nah reckon he chewed up his rubber in the first 3rd of the race, he made good ground for a time and then went backwards.
He's had the same problem all wkend
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Chapeau to the new King of MotoGP.
Casey Stoner, impeccable and irresistible.
Pedrosa starts a la Pedrosa and gives the impression he could take off, but it doen't last long.
Lorenzo never shines (does he begin to feel helpless against Stoner?) but Spies impresses more. In spite of a very bad start he ends up on the podium. What could he have done, with a good start? Pity we will never know.
Dovizioso does his homework diligently, no more, no less. Will he get a factory Honda in 2012? I doubt it... Last call, Misano. It's probably too late anyway.
Simoncelli struggles. After a good start he fades inesorably away.
Is it just the tires? Or has he lost his determination?
Bautista: the Suzuki is doing better, the credit is all his. Bravo.
Ducati. Tire problems for all. The Ducatis seem to devour the Bridgestones. Hayden even has to do a pit stop that ruins an otherwise good race, Abraham and Capirossi have to give up, Barbera could have been the best Ducati but he crashes out on the last corner.
Rossi? Not the Rossi we know. Is it really just the bike? Or has he lost the sacred fire? It certainly looks like sunset boulevard for him now. I surely hoped (hope) it would happen later.
F1: was it the better race this Sunday?
Casey Stoner, impeccable and irresistible.
Pedrosa starts a la Pedrosa and gives the impression he could take off, but it doen't last long.
Lorenzo never shines (does he begin to feel helpless against Stoner?) but Spies impresses more. In spite of a very bad start he ends up on the podium. What could he have done, with a good start? Pity we will never know.
Dovizioso does his homework diligently, no more, no less. Will he get a factory Honda in 2012? I doubt it... Last call, Misano. It's probably too late anyway.
Simoncelli struggles. After a good start he fades inesorably away.
Is it just the tires? Or has he lost his determination?
Bautista: the Suzuki is doing better, the credit is all his. Bravo.
Ducati. Tire problems for all. The Ducatis seem to devour the Bridgestones. Hayden even has to do a pit stop that ruins an otherwise good race, Abraham and Capirossi have to give up, Barbera could have been the best Ducati but he crashes out on the last corner.
Rossi? Not the Rossi we know. Is it really just the bike? Or has he lost the sacred fire? It certainly looks like sunset boulevard for him now. I surely hoped (hope) it would happen later.
F1: was it the better race this Sunday?
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I wasn't serious, just making banter. It is perplexing, you would agree, his inability to stay at least in the top 5.
Do you think he's mentally unraveling? I don't think he's smart enough to have a "breakdown" and in general
has appeared to be too intellectually granite-like to be performing this way, for some kind of calculated effect.
I just don't know what to make of it.
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Chapeau to the new King of MotoGP.
Casey Stoner, impeccable and irresistible.
1. Pedrosa starts a la Pedrosa and gives the impression he could take off, but it doen't last long.
Lorenzo never shines (does he begin to feel helpless against Stoner?) but Spies impresses more. In spite of a very bad start he ends up on the podium. What could he have done, with a good start? Pity we will never know.
Dovizioso does his homework diligently, no more, no less. Will he get a factory Honda in 2012? I doubt it... Last call, Misano. It's probably too late anyway.
Simoncelli struggles. After a good start he fades inesorably away.
Is it just the tires? Or has he lost his determination?
Bautista: the Suzuki is doing better, the credit is all his. Bravo.
Ducati. Tire problems for all. The Ducatis seem to devour the Bridgestones. Hayden even has to do a pit stop that ruins an otherwise good race, Abraham and Capirossi have to give up, Barbera could have been the best Ducati but he crashes out on the last corner.
2. Rossi? Not the Rossi we know. Is it really just the bike? Or has he lost the sacred fire? It certainly looks like sunset boulevard for him now. I surely hoped (hope) it would happen later.
F1: was it the better race this Sunday?
1. The Rocket Ron for the 21st Century... minus the humility and the generally appealing personality.
2. You favor Ducati so much that you would suggest the defect is in Rossi? Such brand loyalty! Takes my breath away.
Well then.....
I actually didn't bother waking up an hour earlier to watch it live for the first time in about 8 years or so........which I'm very happy about
What an absolute disgrace......all I kept thinking was, imagine if your an American motorsport fan who doesn't see Motogp often or ever and you turn on, or turn up to watch something which is for them, essentially a sprint race, only to witness a procession worse than what is seen over 100 laps in any nascar event, probably the most boring 40 minutes they've seen all year....with 1 pass for the lead, I guess we were lucky for that at least
Not only that, you witness more than half of the field suffer from horrendous failure from their Rubber, which is apparently equally supplied to all teams by only the one manufacture.......from what I can see of this race...this is not the case at all. How is that Ducati managed to have 4 of their six riders fail to finish? And the other two struggle to even get the bike to turn at all? Now any reasonable motorsports fan would of course ask, shouldn't the rubber be at least good enough to let the riders finish the race?
How is it that the repsol Honda's looked absolutely incredible in comparison to anyone else? Both Stoner and Pedrosa didn't look like they ran wide once, even slightly....and Dovi put his fastest laps in at the end of the race and was unlucky not to get Jorge.....yet Sic looked like he was riding on standard road tyres for the majority of the race? Jorge looked as though he'd taken out the wrong bike and picked up Marco Melandri's R1 instead........except with worse rubber....and Rossi, well......why bother? You could actually understand it if there was a tyre war, and certain rubber didn't perform at certain tracks....but this is ridiculous.
Adding to all this, these potential American fans experience machines that now sound like an old blender in a large tin can trying to chew through solid fruits!.......worse than even the strokers did......you have to wonder.....WTF would make any of them want to bother tuning in, let alone turning up again?
Its not until you really think about it from another perspective, you realize what a state this series is in.......and this is coming from a long term fan.
I actually didn't bother waking up an hour earlier to watch it live for the first time in about 8 years or so........which I'm very happy about
What an absolute disgrace......all I kept thinking was, imagine if your an American motorsport fan who doesn't see Motogp often or ever and you turn on, or turn up to watch something which is for them, essentially a sprint race, only to witness a procession worse than what is seen over 100 laps in any nascar event, probably the most boring 40 minutes they've seen all year....with 1 pass for the lead, I guess we were lucky for that at least
Not only that, you witness more than half of the field suffer from horrendous failure from their Rubber, which is apparently equally supplied to all teams by only the one manufacture.......from what I can see of this race...this is not the case at all. How is that Ducati managed to have 4 of their six riders fail to finish? And the other two struggle to even get the bike to turn at all? Now any reasonable motorsports fan would of course ask, shouldn't the rubber be at least good enough to let the riders finish the race?
How is it that the repsol Honda's looked absolutely incredible in comparison to anyone else? Both Stoner and Pedrosa didn't look like they ran wide once, even slightly....and Dovi put his fastest laps in at the end of the race and was unlucky not to get Jorge.....yet Sic looked like he was riding on standard road tyres for the majority of the race? Jorge looked as though he'd taken out the wrong bike and picked up Marco Melandri's R1 instead........except with worse rubber....and Rossi, well......why bother? You could actually understand it if there was a tyre war, and certain rubber didn't perform at certain tracks....but this is ridiculous.
Adding to all this, these potential American fans experience machines that now sound like an old blender in a large tin can trying to chew through solid fruits!.......worse than even the strokers did......you have to wonder.....WTF would make any of them want to bother tuning in, let alone turning up again?
Its not until you really think about it from another perspective, you realize what a state this series is in.......and this is coming from a long term fan.
Predictable win from Stoner..............proof enough that he is ruining the sport.
Danny ecstatic about coming second..............how his ambitions are diminishing
Great ride by Bautista and performance on the Suzuki. I truly believe Stoner could win on it.
Rossi, a brilliant ride to be the second ducati home......................deserves a pay rise...............
Danny ecstatic about coming second..............how his ambitions are diminishing
Great ride by Bautista and performance on the Suzuki. I truly believe Stoner could win on it.
Rossi, a brilliant ride to be the second ducati home......................deserves a pay rise...............
Well then.....
I actually didn't bother waking up an hour earlier to watch it live for the first time in about 8 years or so........which I'm very happy about
What an absolute disgrace......all I kept thinking was, imagine if your an American motorsport fan who doesn't see Motogp often or ever and you turn on, or turn up to watch something which is for them, essentially a sprint race, only to witness a procession worse than what is seen over 100 laps in any nascar event, probably the most boring 40 minutes they've seen all year....with 1 pass for the lead, I guess we were lucky for that at least
Not only that, you witness more than half of the field suffer from horrendous failure from their Rubber, which is apparently equally supplied to all teams by only the one manufacture.......from what I can see of this race...this is not the case at all. How is that Ducati managed to have 4 of their six riders fail to finish? And the other two struggle to even get the bike to turn at all? Now any reasonable motorsports fan would of course ask, shouldn't the rubber be at least good enough to let the riders finish the race?
How is it that the repsol Honda's looked absolutely incredible in comparison to anyone else? Both Stoner and Pedrosa didn't look like they ran wide once, even slightly....and Dovi put his fastest laps in at the end of the race and was unlucky not to get Jorge.....yet Sic looked like he was riding on standard road tyres for the majority of the race? Jorge looked as though he'd taken out the wrong bike and picked up Marco Melandri's R1 instead........except with worse rubber....and Rossi, well......why bother? You could actually understand it is there was a tyre war, and certain rubber didn't perform at certain tracks....but this is ridiculous.
Adding to all this, these potential American fans experience machines that now sound like an old blender in a large tin can trying to chew through solid fruits!.......worse than even the strokers did......you have to wonder.....WTF would make any of them want to bother tuning in, let alone turning up again?
Its not until you really think about it from another perspective, you realize what a state this series is in.......and this is coming from a long term fan.
How pathetic. Now the rubber is being handed out to make sure that the Ducati's can't even finish let alone finish mid pack.
How about maybe Honda and Yamaha crews and riders are better at setting their bikes up.
No offence to our American friends but the track was .... and any half brain dead spectator would know that the track needs to be run in yet the operators of one of the most famous circuits on the planet can't work it out. How much money do these turkeys earn? That is where you should be laying the blame Talpa.
Maybe they should run yellow flags every 5 laps to allow Rossi to catch up again because that is real racing isn't it??? Only single digit IQ rednecks fall for that crap. If this is what you want Talpa go watch WWE.
So sick of listening to the yellow army complaining about the quality of racing just because the "Sun" is shining on everyones arses rather than lighting the way.
The reality is that we are witnessing probably the fastest and most aggressive rider in the history of the sport demolish a quality field week in week out and you just can't stand it.
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Rumor has it that HRC told Pedrosa that his being re-signed for another year was contingent on
on his going to charisma school.
Part of the problem is the wrong guy is dominating as you say, and you are correct about the track. Again it looks like stoner has been pilloried for comments (pre-race about the track) which were just the unvarnished truth; ungracious perhaps but he doesn't appear to have problems with american race tracks in general, just this one, and justifiably so.
However the formula is no good whatever else is occurring, and I would be happy to see it changed more drastically than it appears will be the case; unfortunately for talpa imo stoner would still win just at present whatever the formula.
Well then.....
I actually didn't bother waking up an hour earlier to watch it live for the first time in about 8 years or so........which I'm very happy about
What an absolute disgrace......all I kept thinking was, imagine if your an American motorsport fan who doesn't see Motogp often or ever and you turn on, or turn up to watch something which is for them, essentially a sprint race, only to witness a procession worse than what is seen over 100 laps in any nascar event, probably the most boring 40 minutes they've seen all year....with 1 pass for the lead, I guess we were lucky for that at least
Not only that, you witness more than half of the field suffer from horrendous failure from their Rubber, which is apparently equally supplied to all teams by only the one manufacture.......from what I can see of this race...this is not the case at all. How is that Ducati managed to have 4 of their six riders fail to finish? And the other two struggle to even get the bike to turn at all? Now any reasonable motorsports fan would of course ask, shouldn't the rubber be at least good enough to let the riders finish the race?
How is it that the repsol Honda's looked absolutely incredible in comparison to anyone else? Both Stoner and Pedrosa didn't look like they ran wide once, even slightly....and Dovi put his fastest laps in at the end of the race and was unlucky not to get Jorge.....yet Sic looked like he was riding on standard road tyres for the majority of the race? Jorge looked as though he'd taken out the wrong bike and picked up Marco Melandri's R1 instead........except with worse rubber....and Rossi, well......why bother? You could actually understand it is there was a tyre war, and certain rubber didn't perform at certain tracks....but this is ridiculous.
Adding to all this, these potential American fans experience machines that now sound like an old blender in a large tin can trying to chew through solid fruits!.......worse than even the strokers did......you have to wonder.....WTF would make any of them want to bother tuning in, let alone turning up again?
Its not until you really think about it from another perspective, you realize what a state this series is in.......and this is coming from a long term fan.
No conspiracy mate, trye situation is the same for everybody.If a certain team or rider /bike makes the tyre work for them, then they have done there job end of story. Tyre war was great but his tyres where better than mine ........ was getting old, now all the bikes on the same rubber but the ........ hasn't stop. Having said that,Ducati definitely benefited when they were received specific tyres developed for there bike. We have had the single tyre rule for 3 years now so no excuses.What an absolute disgrace...... as you put it, well the track condition is partly to blame or is it because the wrong person is winning?
This sport needs to appeal to a broad range of people to support it as it costs a fortune to run it, and will continue to cost more, just ask Yamaha with no title sponsor..... Boners who enjoy being mesmerized by Casey himself out front lap after lap will not pay the bills as they are (thankfully) few in number and a world away from the scene.
As MichealM pointed out, maybe its a good thing- less fan's=less money which may actually improve the racing as the dollars put into ridiculously complex electronics start to dry up....And this is nothing new...I've and the majority of others have been huge critics of this formula no matter who was winning.
The are 4-5 riders capable of beating Stoner consistently when the Machinery is sorted, dream on......Only idiotic Boners like yourself would place the usual pathetic Rossi fan spin on the all too obvious issues coupled with very large problems that I pointed out above. Detrimental problems were had by most, bar Repsol Honda ......keep your head in the sand Mental it'll get you far. When was the last time we saw so many riders on control tyres having to retire?
This sport needs to appeal to a broad range of people to support it as it costs a fortune to run it, and will continue to cost more, just ask Yamaha with no title sponsor..... Boners who enjoy being mesmerized by Casey himself out front lap after lap will not pay the bills as they are (thankfully) few in number and a world away from the scene.
As MichealM pointed out, maybe its a good thing- less fan's=less money which may actually improve the racing as the dollars put into ridiculously complex electronics start to dry up....And this is nothing new...I've and the majority of others have been huge critics of this formula no matter who was winning.
4 or 5 riders consistently? What ....... planet do you live on. Stoner has won 7 of 12 races this year. So what the others are that bad they can't set their bikes up? How the hell did they get a ride in MotoGP. Better sack their teams as well. Mate you are delusional.
The sport appealed to Rossi fans for a decade. You call that broad range just because you are an extreme member of that group. Fans of other riders left because their riders didn't get a fair shot. I would say that the fans base was the least broad in all its history.
The formula has changed in as far as there are riders who don't need everything going their way to challenge and beat Rossi. The formula has changed from dumbed down torque machines to highly strung highly complex race bikes that require a skill set that perhaps your guy is no longer the best at. I have said it for a while, the sport has moved on from Rossi and his style of sit back and wait till 3 laps to go and then blast everyone away and you and the yellow army don't like it. I used to enjoy this style of Rossi's as well but I also grew tired of it because I found it incredibly predictable just like I find Nascar and Indy Car predictable because I know that there is always going to be a yellow flag that is going to bunch the field up again so I can't get excited about someone putting in fast laps and pulling away.
Finally, motorbike racing will never appeal to a wide range of people and it never has. Motorbike racing is a niche sport mainly for people who ride bikes. Rossi bought in new fans who previously just enjoyed going to the circus. These fans never went on to buy bikes they just bought Rossi branded merchandise. Unfortunately the manufacturers can not pay the bills on Rossi Branded Merchandise sales.
I bet that if you polled fans of all the riders as to who owns a motor bike Rossi fans would be the lowest percentage.
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Well, i was at the race and found it entertaining, and predictable. Stoner had them covered and to be honest, could have won by a much larger margin. Pulled a 3-4 second lead and manged his tires. EVERYONE knew tire management was the order of the day, for those who didnt, thats their problem.. The track was fast from the second practice on and kept getting faster. They did try and scub in the track Saturday evening, sending out the BMW pace cars to play for a couple of hours. It was actually pretty entertaining watching them haul ... around the track. Back to the race, no surprise with the winner, the kid is on a different level right now. Spies .... start cost him maybe one position in the end, he could not match Stoner, i repeat, could not match Stoner. He may have beaten Pedro, maybe. It was entertaining seeing him come through the field though. I have said it before, Indy sucks as a road race course, and its not the surface, Barber, are you listening. A couple of small modifications and it would rival any venue. I said a couple of weeks ago that Indy, with its very tight technical sections, would show if Ducati had progressed, the answer was obvious, NO. With a little money, Suzuki could do something in this sport. Attended a very very good interview with Suppo Saturday night. I like his no ........ style, you ask him a pointed question, you get a straight answer. He let it be known he loves Valentino, but was adament that the best and fastest rider on the planet is Stoner. I asked him a question about the reported 30% budget cut for next year and he seemed a little surprised but attacked it head on. Said there would be cuts everywhere, all the way down to putting 2 men per hotel rooms. He said spare parts would not be as readily available and they would just have to find ways to cut the fat if the bosses insisted on the 30% cut. He also said the 2012 bike met and surpassed the set goals after 3 laps of the first test, seemed very excited about next years propositions.I was also at the Yamaha rider event Saturday evening when Colin announced he would not be back with Tech3 next year, but would be back in the series. Even if he has not won a race, the crowds love the guy. He is a breath of fresh air to the normal panned responses from the other riders. Is Tech3 dumping him, or vice versa.All in all, had a good time, crowd was very good, and Motorcycles on the Meridian was off the ....... hook Friday and Saturday night. Was kind of bummed that the flat track race was cancelled, but after 5 people died in a structural collapse during a storm a couple of weeks ago, its understandable. Also was totally bummed that my son ended up not being able to go. After the Copter crash that killed the SEAL team, his JTAC training was fast tracked because there were 3 Special Forces Air Force CCT's on the chopper also, they are a smaller community than the SEAL's. He had to fly out to Arizona for expidited training. He had to cut his time with us short in Colorado, so i said .... it and drove straight through to Indy to catch 1st practice on Friday. The plan was to arrive Friday night and go to the track Sat-Sun. When the opportunity presented itself, i left Cheyenne Wyoming Thursday morning at 10am and was sitting in Indy at 5.00 am Friday morning. 1100 miles just stopping for gas. I was in a hurry , and at one point, mistakingly filled my car up with E85, and my car is not a flex fuel vehicle. Quick google search revealed that its not the best situation, but if you cant syphon it out, it should burn, just keep diluting it by refilling every hundred miles or so. I think i held my breath half way across the country.
Well I didn't get to watch the damn race....we withstood the brunt of the rain from the hurricane last night...no problems with power loss.1 hour before the race...there went the power...now knave to wait for the replay on Tuesday afternoon!
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Pangea
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Pangea
The are 4-5 riders capable of beating Stoner consistently when the Machinery is sorted, dream on......Only idiotic Boners like yourself would place the usual pathetic Rossi fan spin on the all too obvious issues coupled with very large problems that I pointed out above. Detrimental problems were had by most, bar Repsol Honda ......keep your head in the sand Mental it'll get you far. When was the last time we saw so many riders on control tyres having to retire?
This sport needs to appeal to a broad range of people to support it as it costs a fortune to run it, and will continue to cost more, just ask Yamaha with no title sponsor..... Boners who enjoy being mesmerized by Casey himself out front lap after lap will not pay the bills as they are (thankfully) few in number and a world away from the scene.
As MichealM pointed out, maybe its a good thing- less fan's=less money which may actually improve the racing as the dollars put into ridiculously complex electronics start to dry up....And this is nothing new...I've and the majority of others have been huge critics of this formula no matter who was winning.
Ahhh Talps....I thought you had turned the corner with some of your recent semi intelligent posts which actually had some good insights and contained snippets of factual information - but sadly you just high-sided back to LaLa Land with the last few pearls of Talpa wisdom.....
