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INDY 2010: prediction, practice, qual

Now, as for the race itself.





Could this be the 'coming of age' for Spies?



Unlike some (in various places) whilst I readily admit to questioning Spies last year (his results soon stopped that) I have been nothing short of impressed by him this year, so much so that at this point I am happy to admit that we have 4 1/2 aliens. So, will this be his break through?



Not sure on that so much as I suspect that VR, CS etc will find something that will get their times consistently up there, but I also feel that Spies will lift to the occasion.



Tim will tell whether it will be enough but I expect top 4.



The other three between Lorenzo, Stoner, Rossi and Dovisioso.



Hopefully a semi-decent race with a few battles.











Gaz
 
Heart says:



1. The Doctor

2. Gorgeous George

3. Pedrobot

4. Stacey Moaner



Brain says:



1. Gorgeous George

2. Pedrobot

3. The Doctor

4. Stacey Moaner



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Rob said:
EASY disliked by everyone who thinks what he did are the actions of a total moron! disliked by whom?......lol wake up son. Stoner is a whiner, a spoilt bratt, a sore loser....and somebody who i have NEVER in my life seen to blame a bad performance or any racing situation on simply "i'm having a bad day" or "he was the better guy on the day".............The teams fault, the tracks fault, the bikes fault, the wrists fault, the lactose intolerance(erm...)....you get the picture.



Just accept that he has a bad rep amongst a good chunk for good reason.



I find it humerous the amount of stoner fanboys defending caseys honour here......he pulls a total arsewipe manouver, and you lot jump on board to defend little caseys honour.....yet these are indefensible actions.



Best you guys can come up with is "they wanted to get a free tow".........oh lol seriously.



Sounds a bit like bs and double standards to me.......boppers?
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As I said, before I gave you the benefit of the doubt, you were suspiciously naive/disingenuous in your initial posts. You are obviously a rossi fan, by no means an unreasonable position since he has given his fans every reason to be fans, but don't pretend you came onto the forum as few days ago with no preconceptions.
 
michaelm said:
As I said before I gave you the benefit of the doubt, you were suspiciously naive/disingenuous in your initial posts. You are obviously a rossi fan, by no means an unreasonable position since he has given his fans every reason to be fans, but don't pretend you came on the forum as few days ago with no preconceptions.
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Rob said:
EASY disliked by everyone who thinks what he did are the actions of a total moron! disliked by whom?......lol wake up son. Stoner is a whiner, a spoilt bratt, a sore loser....and somebody who i have NEVER in my life seen to blame a bad performance or any racing situation on simply "i'm having a bad day" or "he was the better guy on the day".............The teams fault, the tracks fault, the bikes fault, the wrists fault, the lactose intolerance(erm...)....you get the picture.



Just accept that he has a bad rep amongst a good chunk for good reason.



I find it humerous the amount of stoner fanboys defending caseys honour here......he pulls a total arsewipe manouver, and you lot jump on board to defend little caseys honour.....yet these are indefensible actions.



Best you guys can come up with is "they wanted to get a free tow".........oh lol seriously.



Sounds a bit like bs and double standards to me.......boppers?
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Personally, I am no more a 'Casey fan boy' as I am a 'Rossi fan boy' - and that's my point - why this diametric opposition? why do you have to perceive that everyone on here subscribes to this simplistic notion of 'either or'. I see both for their phenomenal talent, just as I am not blinded to their negative sides. Sure Casey is outspoken, and at times petulant childish brat. You have cited many reasons as to why this is true. I'd be fascinated to see your response had he emulated Repsol Honda with a divisive wall, delivered a 'me or him' ultimatum to his employers over his teammate. Both Nicky Hayden and Marco Melandri heap nothing but praise upon him as a teammate. The magnitude of his talent was overwhelmingly obvious when his connecting flight was delayed en route to Qatar in 2006 for his second ever Moto GP race, and his luggage went astray while he slept on the floor of the airport. Having gone on to place the LCR Honda on pole he became the youngest pole sitter since Spencer. His fifth in the race having led it for two thirds of the distance was down to tyre degradation, not being able to benefit at LCR from the Saturday night specials as others did. His travel woes only became public knowledge over the next few weeks. The prevailing view during 2007 was that he had the best bike on the grid. This accusation peculiarly wasn't leveled at Vale by the same fraternity concerning the invincible RCV211v during 2002, 2003, and the yam in 2005, but in 2006 we were incessantly reminded what a handicap the M1 had again become. Valentino has ascended to command immense power through his extraordinary talent and showmanship - this has availed him with access to resources and factory assistance beyond the reach of his his counterparts - perhaps one could contend he has earned this right.



I have watched Valentino intently since his inaugural season in 1996. He has consistently been an ambassador for this sport, and indisputably as the greatest rider of all time honorably and humbly acknowledged and revered those that preceded him and has always paid his respects to the rich history of Motorcycle racing. That said, he too can in fact be a sore loser, and he is also prone to spiteful disrespectful jibes at his opposition, which are invariably dismissed as mischievous harmless pranks, and any negatives are swept under the carpet by the Rossi PR machine. In spite of some scathing attacks by the Italian sporting press which are unavoidable, he remains the darling of the paddock as much through his marketing juggernaut as he does through his personality. He has also gone back on his word on several occasions. I greatly respect courage of conviction and sincerity. I don't always detect that integrity in Valentino. His decision to ride the Yam under Altadis sponsorship was an uneasy one, but nonetheless promoting the brands Gauloises and Camel was completely against all that he had previously pledged. As Rog says, it will be interesting to see how the Philip Morris backing at Ducati resolves itself next year and what stance Rossi will take on this.



The varied testimonies of Marco Melandri on the character of the man, (who was very close to him at one time), makes interesting reading, Do some homework - they are easy to find
 
Talpa said:
To be frank, a small number of officials opinions don't really relate in such a discussion, whilst they have personal contact-its impossible to translate their possibly subjective opinions to the broader fan base and what they are witness to. Stoner's statements like the ones that were made Post race Laguna 08, which later had to be retracted and apologized for. Outbursts like the ones witnessed in Pit lane at Catalunya this year and the subsequent rants in the post QP press conference, and the infamous telling off of his team boss in 2006, there are many more and these aren't media speculation but events I've witnessed or read first hand accounts of, I was with an Australian Road Racing Champion the day of Laguna 08 and personally heard him say that Casey was being ridiculous and came across like a very sore loser in the post-race press conference, this perception was not created by the media Gaz, it came from Casey's Mouth-not all of us draw perceptions from spin as you suggest.



Stoner's PR reputation has been created by him and his actions, as Jorge has shown it is easy to beat Rossi and remain liked by the wider world-and I'm talking about the millions who watch and turn up to the events-not just a few officials, for seriously how many of us can get personally involved with Motogp riders. All we can like or dislike is what we see and hear publicly, on track and off. Stoner is not well liked by the majority, and we now know its not from just beating Rossi as many prefer to believe, this is my point, PR is important in the modern world and not just to the few but the many........



I actually can't be bothered looking up all of it but these incidents exist-this is fact. How you and I perceive them is obviously far different, if I have to point out all the slandering that Rossi gets here then you aren't reading the same posts as I am, or in retaining a similar POV to them it may be easy to discount these 'Slanders' as fair comment, just check out Jumkie and Barry's history to name but two and you'll get plenty of examples (as depressing as searching the latter may be!!).



In saying all this, (you and I have done this before!
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Find me a (current) rider who would have been happy with the laguna seca manouevre and I will find you a loser; even among losers I don't think you will find anyone who would have been happy with it. It was a public relations failure, not a moral failure; it was miraculous that valentino pulled the move off, a demonstration of valentino's will to win and immense skill, eventually both their actions prevented a crash etc etc but not something any serious competitor would give valentino credit for since he was out of control. Sure once it had happened without catastrophe stoner should have gone into grin and bear mode and not complained to what should have been obvious was no purpose, but he was justified in being pissed off. I ask you as a mick doohan fan, do you think anyone would have tried such a move on mick in his prime? To me the answer is no; mick would have let valentino crash into him, which is probably what casey should have done.
 
michaelm said:
Find me a (current) rider who would have been happy with the laguna seca manouevre and I will find you a loser; even among losers I don't think you will find anyone who would be happy with it. It was a public relations failure, not a moral failure; it was miraculous that valentino pulled the move off, a demonstration of valentino's will to win and immense skill , eventually both their actions prevented a crash etc etc but not something any serious competitor would give valentino credit for since he was out of control. Sure once it had happened without catastrophe stoner should have gone into grin and bear mode and not complained to what should have been obvious was to no purpose, but he was justified in being pissed off. I ask you as a mick doohan fan, do you think anyone would have tried such a move on mick in his prime? To me the answer is no; mick would have let valentino crash into him, which is probably what casey should have done..
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i think stoner was angry at himself after guna 08, angry because he missed an opitunity. Had stoner hung back after the corkscrews first apex rossi would probably of crashed ,but no he decided to continue fighting a rider that was out of control which actually saved rossi. Even Kevin Schwantz pointed this out. Stoner is frustrated and its him frustrating himself half the time. He reminds me of a kids that needed a lot more smacks from his parents.
 
chopperman said:
i think stoner was angry at himself after guna 08, angry because he missed an opitunity. Had stoner hung back after the corkscrews first apex rossi would probably of crashed ,but no he decided to continue fighting a rider that was out of control which actually saved rossi. Even Kevin Schwantz pointed this out. Stoner is frustrated and its him frustrating himself half the time. He reminds me of a kids that needed a lot more smacks from his parents.
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Adriana could use a few spankings from me
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chopperman said:
i think stoner was angry at himself after guna 08, angry because he missed an opitunity. Had stoner hung back after the corkscrews first apex rossi would probably of crashed ,but no he decided to continue fighting a rider that was out of control which actually saved rossi. Even Kevin Schwantz pointed this out. Stoner is frustrated and its him frustrating himself half the time. He reminds me of a kids that needed a lot more smacks from his parents.
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Who knows? Mick doohan is definitely better than stoner and may have picked the course you and kevin schwantz suggest but it is easy for non-involved observers to conclude that casey had the time to make such a decision. My point is that nobody would have ridden in the belief that mick would give way in that situation. You were there and are at least familiar with the topography of the course even if you did not directly observe the incident, so I will bow to your judgement, but as I recall you were impressed by how casey raced on the day before the post-race controversy arose.
 
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Total Bopper meltdown happening here again !!
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Total Bopper sook at Stoner happening again
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Christ! What brought this one on
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michaelm said:
Who knows? Mick doohan is definitely better than stoner and may have picked the course you and kevin schwantz suggest but it is easy for non-involved observers to conclude that casey had the time to make such a decision. My point is that nobody would have ridden in the belief that mick would give way in that situation. You were there and are at least familiar with the topography of the course even if you did not directly observe the incident, so I will bow to your judgement, but as I recall you were impressed by how casey raced on the day before the post-race controversy arose.
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Your correct, i was very impressed with stoner. He battled rossi on every turn but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. prior to rossi going on the dirt stoner was already behind rossi, all he had to do was sit back and watch. Stoner is fast but he is not clever, this frustrates him imho.
 
chopperman said:
Your correct, i was very impressed with stoner. He battled rossi on every turn but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. prior to rossi going on the dirt stoner was already behind rossi, all he had to do was sit back and watch. Stoner is fast but he is not clever, this frustrates him imho.
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Again who knows, but it is possible he lacks sophistication rather than cleverness. He definiitely has a chip on his shoulder, but this is perhaps at least partially prompted by the belief that valentino is praised for actions for which he would be pilloried. What do you think the reaction would have been if his and valentino's positions at the corkscrew in 2008 were reversed?. Do you also think valentino would have had no complaint?. Ask tony elias.
 
michaelm said:
Again who knows, but it is possible he lacks sophistication rather than cleverness. He definiitely has a chip on his shoulder, but this is perhaps at least partially prompted by the belief that valentino is praised for actions for which he would be pilloried. What do you think the reaction would have been if his and valentino's positions at the corkscrew in 2008 were reversed?. Do you also think valentino would have had no complaint?. Ask tony elias.
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you can't really compare to the Elias incident. the corkscrew was avoidable, as ive said rossi was in front, nobody forced stoner to keep the pressure up there. Elias was a loose cannon earning him the nick name scud. How could rossi have avoided that incident ?
 
michaelm said:
Again who knows, but it is possible he lacks sophistication rather than cleverness. He definiitely has a chip on his shoulder, but this is perhaps at least partially prompted by the belief that valentino is praised for actions for which he would be pilloried. What do you think the reaction would have been if his and valentino's positions at the corkscrew in 2008 were reversed?. Do you also think valentino would have had no complaint?. Ask tony elias.
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Stoney would have crashed them both out
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chopperman said:
you can't really compare to the Elias incident. the corkscrew was avoidable, as ive said rossi was in front, nobody forced stoner to keep the pressure up there. Elias was a loose cannon earning him the nick name scud. How could rossi have avoided that incident ?
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I personally think both were racing incidents, if close to the edge. Nevertheless stoner would have been t-boned on the racing line by a bike/rider which/who had left the track if he had not given way. (EDIT He was in front by slewing across stoner out of control.)
 

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