If you were Yamaha, who would you choose?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Nov 14 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I disagree in the number of years. He might quit before that but by age alone he can stay on top another 4-5 years, but lets use your 3 years any way.

- 3 years is probably slightly above the average time span riders are in the motoGp class.
- Three years of Rossi domination will probably kill the interest of you s.c. motoGP fans, not to mention the Stoner fans.
- After 3 years of loosing both Lorenzo and Stoner probably have retired
- 3 Years are more then enough for Rossi to break every record in the book and he can leave as the undisputed GOAT.
- 3 years more of your denial claiming "Stoner IS the faster" will be a pleasure to handle just like it is today.

You say Lorenzo and mean Rossi, Yes? After all, who would support the rider that will be the LOOSER for the next three years? Not even Yamaha are THAT stupid.

Sorry all of the "we love the sport above any single rider and we don't hate Rossi" wannabe's -MotoGP's champion and undisputed flag ship will be Rossi for another 3 years, at least. Scares you doesn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Oops you beat me too it V
In the current climate of the economy you need to get the most for your dollar. Not saying that Rossi isn't the best cause he is but the best for the business is Lorenzo. You will see just wait.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Nov 15 2009, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the current climate of the economy you need to get the most for your dollar. Not saying that Rossi isn't the best cause he is but the best for the business is Lorenzo. You will see just wait.

Would you mind setting up that calculation?

Because as I see it it doesn't add up by a mile. But then again I am just part of the Rossi fan horde, except that's very much part of my point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi and Lorenzo do not always say the truth, if they have a reason to hide it. Like everybody. But why should they say they have the best bike if that was not the case? There is no possible reason, quite the contrary -- so if they say so, I tend to believe them.

At the end of 2009 in the last races they were also saying that Yamaha was not the best bike since the engine rule, so do you believe this completely too?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner was very fast on the satellite Honda in 2006 -- hey, he even poled. His problem was the French tyres and related politics. <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'If' he had been on a factory Honda or Yamaha in his rookie year, he would have done better than Pedrosa (or Lorenzo in 2008 even).

He was 8th in the Championship in 2006 with 7 DNFs, a best second place and only podium... But as I said: granted, he was in his rookie year. Still, I see him needing everything 'perfect' for him to perform his best on the Ducati too, unlike Hailwood was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Nov 15 2009, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the current climate of the economy you need to get the most for your dollar. Not saying that Rossi isn't the best cause he is but the best for the business is Lorenzo. You will see just wait.
I just don't see it, Rock... unless you're a gambler! Because of his status, even if he doesn't win another crown and retires in a couple of years, Rossi will be a guaranteed marketable product for a decade. Jorge's yet to win. As a prudent businessman I'll take the living legend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 15 2009, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At the end of 2009 in the last races they were also saying that Yamaha was not the best bike since the engine rule, so do you believe this completely too?



He was 8th in the Championship in 2006 with 7 DNFs, a best second place and only podium... But as I said: granted, he was in his rookie year. Still, I see him needing everything 'perfect' for him to perform his best on the Ducati too, unlike Hailwood was.


Well, no. One tends to believe riders more when they say that everything is fine, rather than when they are whinging, no?

My perception of Stoner remains he's the one who rides "a la Hailwood". I know he never seems satisfied with the bike, but irrespective of that he's always either the fastest rider, or one of the fastest. He was the same also in 250, and in his rookie year. He began winning with Ducati because for the first time he found factory support, both for the bike and the tyres. But he was always very, very fast, so much that in 2006 he was already indicated as a 'dark horse' in MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 15 2009, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, no. One tends to believe riders more when they say that everything is fine, rather than when they are whinging, no?

My perception of Stoner remains he's the one who rides "a la Hailwood". I know he never seems satisfied with the bike, but irrespective of that he's always either the fastest rider, or one of the fastest. He was the same also in 250, and in his rookie year. He began winning with Ducati because for the first time he found factory support, both for the bike and the tyres. But he was always very, very fast, so much that in 2006 he was already indicated as a 'dark horse' in MotoGP.
Trust me J4rno their is nothing wrong with that ducati handling wise and prime example for this is Sepang race. The way that ducati and Stoner performed in those difficult conditions was unbelieveable, there was hardly any touchness in handling and bike just felt like it glowed to the track.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Nov 15 2009, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Trust me J4rno their is nothing wrong with that ducati handling wise and prime example for this is Sepang race. The way that ducati and Stoner performed in those difficult conditions was unbelieveable, there was hardly any touchness in handling and bike just felt like it glowed to the track.

I never said the Ducati is not a good bike, actually it's a top bike (otherwise not even JC could consistently win on it) but certainly it's not the best bike for most riders. It's a difficult bike -- or maybe it was difficult, now that with the GP10 they have given up the screamer engine for the big bang, it seems it's suddenly become a bit easier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 16 2009, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I never said the Ducati is not a good bike, actually it's a top bike (otherwise not even JC could consistently win on it) but certainly it's not the best bike for most riders. It's a difficult bike -- or maybe it was difficult, now that with the GP10 they have given up the screamer engine for the big bang, it seems it's suddenly become a bit easier.
As you have repeatedly and with impeccable logic argued, the ducati is obviously fast enough to win or stoner would not be able to win on it. The difficulty some of your less broadminded fellow rossi fans have is in admitting that extracting the aforementioned speed involves anything exceptional on casey's part, despite all evidence to the contrary; this does not require the drawing of any implications as to rossi's potential in the unlikely event of him going to ducati. I am quite sure he could also ride the thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Nov 15 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As you have repeatedly and with impeccable logic argued, the ducati is obviously fast enough to win or stoner would not be able to win on it. The difficulty some of your less broadminded fellow rossi fans have is in admitting that extracting the aforementioned speed involves anything exceptional on casey's part, despite all evidence to the contrary; this does not require the drawing of any implications as to rossi's potential in the unlikely event of him going to ducati. I am quite sure he could also ride the thing.

I really like your posts bro!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 15 2009, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just don't see it, Rock... unless you're a gambler! Because of his status, even if he doesn't win another crown and retires in a couple of years, Rossi will be a guaranteed marketable product for a decade. Jorge's yet to win. As a prudent businessman I'll take the living legend.
Just think about it. For instance in football after many years of solid play and a championship the Greenbay packes let Brett Favre go to the Jets. AAron Rogers is now the QB who did't do much except sit on the sidelines and learn from the master. This is a multi billion dollar industry so these things often translate to other sports that are highly competative and where the money needs to keep flowing. You could be right but I think Rossi will be on a Duc soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Nov 15 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would you mind setting up that calculation?

Because as I see it it doesn't add up by a mile. But then again I am just part of the Rossi fan horde, except that's very much part of my point.
See above post but the new broom sweeps clean is something said in business quite often. Yes Rossi is all this and that but for how much longer? These are the questions Yamaha is asking themselves behind closed doors.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Nov 17 2009, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just think about it. For instance in football after many years of solid play and a championship the Greenbay packes let Brett Favre go to the Jets. AAron Rogers is now the QB who did't do much except sit on the sidelines and learn from the master. This is a multi billion dollar industry so these things often translate to other sports that are highly competative and where the money needs to keep flowing. You could be right but I think Rossi will be on a Duc soon.


You say Rossi will be on the Duc soon. It will Never happen if Stoner is there Rock, for you just need to hear Rossi whinge now cos he has got a fast team mate at Yamaha in Crazy George.

Rossi cant stand having anyone on his team who ia fast, and Stoner is faster the Crazy George and i beleive Stoner will kick his ... on the Duc, the only way he will go to Ducati is if Stoner goes to HRC or theres a swap and Stoner goes to Yamaha in some kinda deal.

I know its kinda off topic, but yeah dont get ya hopes up..

Somehow even this thread ends up being a rossi/stoner debate, it's actually demeaning to jl, remember jl came second this year and pedders also beat cs, powerslide definately needs to change it's name to 'rossi fans vs stoner fans'

You know, a similar poll in a major Italian forum is giving a 50-50 result, while here we are nearing 77% for Rossi...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 16 2009, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You know, a similar poll in a major Italian forum is giving a 50-50 result, while here we are nearing 77% for Rossi...
Just venturing a guess but is it possible the results are more in Lorenzo's favor because that result would lead Rossi to Ducati?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 16 2009, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just venturing a guess but is it possible the results are more in Lorenzo's favor because that result would lead Rossi to Ducati?
Austin your guess is spot on mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gixxer K9 @ Nov 16 2009, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You say Rossi will be on the Duc soon. It will Never happen if Stoner is there Rock, for you just need to hear Rossi whinge now cos he has got a fast team mate at Yamaha in Crazy George.

Rossi cant stand having anyone on his team who ia fast, and Stoner is faster the Crazy George and i beleive Stoner will kick his ... on the Duc, the only way he will go to Ducati is if Stoner goes to HRC or theres a swap and Stoner goes to Yamaha in some kinda deal.

I know its kinda off topic, but yeah dont get ya hopes up..
I am willing to bet that Vale will be on a one man team if Stoner remains at Ducati which I believe he will. Rossi will have no problem securing sponsorship for his team. It will be an unprecidented thing in GP since it will be a full factory ride without having to do the marlboro thing. Rossi's last hurrah will be the biggest challange if you will or even spectacle for lack of a better term.

rossi (no question)

Looks like the decisions already been made!


http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--...ikely/4923.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Nov 18 2009, 05:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looks like the decisions already been made!

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--...ikely/4923.html

That's from June, <u>2008</u>