If you were Yamaha, who would you choose?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Nov 12 2009, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's even remotely mature for Rossi to demand that Yamaha field an uncompetitive rider on their second bike simply to appease him. He should know better. Yamaha should give him the Tech 3 team. Let him do as he wishes there and leave the factory team for guys who want to win and compete earnestly.
I'm not convinced Rossi is demanding a pushover for a teammate. He's had that his entire career, and he seems to have enjoyed it. But being one of the more intelligent riders as far as big picture stuff goes, he must realize that factories need two riders capable of wins. I think the objection to Lorenzo comes down to personality, Rossi didn't want him in the team before 2008, before Lorenzo even turned a wheel on an M1.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 11 2009, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^
someone forgot to flush the toilet


errrrrrrrrrrrr hello how was it pointless













pointless thread..hello.. he's the goat..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 12 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Knowing Rossi's sensitivity to the human factor in all things...


J4rno, when Rossi first came out with these ramblings, you said he was NOT trying to get rid of Lorenzo. Have you changed your mind? Now that Rossi has been much more clear about his demands (was clear to non boppers way before), you have turned to trying to psychoanalyze his sensitivities? Hahaha, hilarious. You first ask the question; who should Yamaha choose, and now trying to understand Rossi’s heart for people, this is mere deflection. This is deflecting from the real nature of his demands, ungracious unsportmanship. Why are you glossing over this aspect?

Its clear enough why he doesn't want Lorenzo, don't try to dance around the issue. Its simply, Lorenzo is fast, fast enough to challenge him for the title (and probably would have beat him this year had Jorge not crashed out in some crucial incidents). There is no mystery here! He wants Lorenzo out because Lorenzo is fast. Lorenzo has been nothing but class, giving Rossi props when beaten (a very hard thing to do when you have a large ego, which he has managed to keep in check).

The funniest thing (which shows how ridiculous he's made himself look) is that now he's threatened to move to Ducati. Yeah, we are supposed to believe this? He wants to go where everybody not Stoner has struggled, and be teammates to a guy who he has already had a public rivalry? That kinda blows your "human sensitivity" argument out of the water.

Rossi is bullshitting about Ducati. It’s just a negotiation tactic! Nobody should take this seriously, especially Yamaha. He did the same thing to get his Bridgestones, Dorna caved. (Though as I type this, I am reminded about the gains Ducati has made, Ducati have made gains in trying to refine the bike, perhaps previously being Hayden's teammate, he knows that Nicky has more development skills than people give him credit for; and this is making a switch tempting, though I still think unlikely).

Lets not confuse what I’m saying as a dig to Rossi’s riding ability (this often gets lost with boppers). We already know how many titles he’s won, and he reminds us how awesome of a rider he is every season, and frankly its thrilling (Catalunya, even last lap Laguna this year, etc). However, why gloss over that he’s also a shrewd unsportmanlike character who whines and attempts to strong arm anybody weak enough to cave to his demands making the authenticity of the competition suspect? This is what separates a bopper--with no touch of reality, with a fan of the sport--who knows these men are trying to get theirs any way they can; of which sometimes (and this is one of them) it makes them look very stupid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Nov 11 2009, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

agreed all around

.... HEADS

Rossi

I remember a Japanese manufacturer that put a world champ out to pasture before his time b/c they wanted to support a young Spaniard who was the wave of the future. How's that working out for you, Honda?

You never put a Spaniard in the #1 slot. It has only worked once in the history of the sport, and that was only b/c Repsol didn't have a choice after Doohan's injury.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1.This is deflecting from the real nature of his demands, ungracious unsportmanship.

2.Rossi is bullshitting about Ducati. It’s just a negotiation tactic! Nobody should take this seriously,

3. these men are trying to get theirs any way they can; of which sometimes (and this is one of them) it makes them look very stupid.

number 2 first.. yes, IMO this is a ploy to keep yamaha focused on him for 2010. keeps the factory on their toes.

1 & 3. Rossi is ultra competitive. you have to be to keep going like he does, its a prerequisite for multi-championships. do you know many ultra-competitive people who are nice to be around? i don't so i am not surprised he is trying this, its to help his postition in 2010 and nothing else. if it seems unsportsmanlike, i am sure he will be forgiven when he wins the next race/championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 12 2009, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Keeps spinning that drivel to suit your bias ROCK...


Now if I was CEO or whomever-the fark's-in-charge-of-racing at Yamaha I would be delighted with the prospects available to me! Tough decision for sure but just to have the options they have is a corporate dream!!
My bias? I am stating a business model in its basic form. You plan for the future pure and simple. Is Rossi the future at Yam? Just ask the questions and see if Rossi fits. Hey I would love to Rossi on a duc but if it doesn't happen oh well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

J4rno, when Rossi first came out with these ramblings, you said he was NOT trying to get rid of Lorenzo. Have you changed your mind? Now that Rossi has been much more clear about his demands (was clear to non boppers way before), you have turned to trying to psychoanalyze his sensitivities? Hahaha, hilarious. You first ask the question; who should Yamaha choose, and now trying to understand Rossi’s heart for people, this is mere deflection. This is deflecting from the real nature of his demands, ungracious unsportmanship. Why are you glossing over this aspect?

Its clear enough why he doesn't want Lorenzo, don't try to dance around the issue. Its simply, Lorenzo is fast, fast enough to challenge him for the title (and probably would have beat him this year had Jorge not crashed out in some crucial incidents). There is no mystery here! He wants Lorenzo out because Lorenzo is fast. Lorenzo has been nothing but class, giving Rossi props when beaten (a very hard thing to do when you have a large ego, which he has managed to keep in check).

The funniest thing (which shows how ridiculous he's made himself look) is that now he's threatened to move to Ducati. Yeah, we are supposed to believe this? He wants to go where everybody not Stoner has struggled, and be teammates to a guy who he has already had a public rivalry? That kinda blows your "human sensitivity" argument out of the water.

Rossi is bullshitting about Ducati. It’s just a negotiation tactic! Nobody should take this seriously, especially Yamaha. He did the same thing to get his Bridgestones, Dorna caved. (Though as I type this, I am reminded about the gains Ducati has made, Ducati have made gains in trying to refine the bike, perhaps previously being Hayden's teammate, he knows that Nicky has more development skills than people give him credit for; and this is making a switch tempting, though I still think unlikely).

Lets not confuse what I’m saying as a dig to Rossi’s riding ability (this often gets lost with boppers). We already know how many titles he’s won, and he reminds us how awesome of a rider he is every season, and frankly its thrilling (Catalunya, even last lap Laguna this year, etc). However, why gloss over that he’s also a shrewd unsportmanlike character who whines and attempts to strong arm anybody weak enough to cave to his demands making the authenticity of the competition suspect? This is what separates a bopper--with no touch of reality, with a fan of the sport--who knows these men are trying to get theirs any way they can; of which sometimes (and this is one of them) it makes them look very stupid.

Jumkie, you are improving, you are directing more of your anger against Rossi himself. You should just take the final step and confess your hatred for Rossi openly. It'll make you feel better. Why deflecting your rage on the poor fans?

I have openly declared my dislike for Lorenzo, there is no shame in having likes and dislikes, it is human (but you do not like the "human" aspect). Meanwhile, the one you don't like has beaten the one I don't like square and fair. 1-0. The rest is vapor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 12 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have ...

...addressed zero of my points. You have nothing. Typical.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...addressed zero of my points. You have nothing. Typical.

Your points...?! Try writing them down again without inserting "bopper" every two words, maybe the vapor will condense into something more coherent, to which one could answer

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 12 2009, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your points...?! Try writing them down again without inserting "bopper" every two words, maybe the vapor will condense into something more coherent, to which one could answer
Well insert 'J4rno' where I put 'bopper'. They're one in the same. I realize its hard for you to read sound logic, but try harder, you can do it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo has been nothing but class, giving Rossi props when beaten (a very hard thing to do when you have a large ego, which he has managed to keep in check).
I wouldn't get too carried away. Lorenzo has been telling the Spanish press that Rossi regularly steals his setup for the past month or two. The way this has unfolded, I find myself liking both of them less and less.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well insert 'J4rno' where I put 'bopper'. They're one in the same. I realize its hard for you to read sound logic, but try harder, you can do it.

That's a simple copy and paste, something you can do well no doubt.
My posts speak for me, I have no need to try any harder. Especially with someone who does not want to listen. Amen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Nov 11 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you speaking on behalf of shinya? The answer is still .... no.

I say rossi. Cause they have spies.

+1.

if they HAD to decide id drop lorenzo. rossi is still the best and with spies coming up they have another very strong rider that could win them the champions. after rossi is out! spies is almost 5 years younger than rossi!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 13 2009, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

J4rno, when Rossi first came out with these ramblings, you said he was NOT trying to get rid of Lorenzo. Have you changed your mind? Now that Rossi has been much more clear about his demands (was clear to non boppers way before), you have turned to trying to psychoanalyze his sensitivities? Hahaha, hilarious. You first ask the question; who should Yamaha choose, and now trying to understand Rossi’s heart for people, this is mere deflection. This is deflecting from the real nature of his demands, ungracious unsportmanship. Why are you glossing over this aspect?

Its clear enough why he doesn't want Lorenzo, don't try to dance around the issue. Its simply, Lorenzo is fast, fast enough to challenge him for the title (and probably would have beat him this year had Jorge not crashed out in some crucial incidents). There is no mystery here! He wants Lorenzo out because Lorenzo is fast. Lorenzo has been nothing but class, giving Rossi props when beaten (a very hard thing to do when you have a large ego, which he has managed to keep in check).

The funniest thing (which shows how ridiculous he's made himself look) is that now he's threatened to move to Ducati. Yeah, we are supposed to believe this? He wants to go where everybody not Stoner has struggled, and be teammates to a guy who he has already had a public rivalry? That kinda blows your "human sensitivity" argument out of the water.

Rossi is bullshitting about Ducati. It’s just a negotiation tactic! Nobody should take this seriously, especially Yamaha. He did the same thing to get his Bridgestones, Dorna caved. (Though as I type this, I am reminded about the gains Ducati has made, Ducati have made gains in trying to refine the bike, perhaps previously being Hayden's teammate, he knows that Nicky has more development skills than people give him credit for; and this is making a switch tempting, though I still think unlikely).

Lets not confuse what I’m saying as a dig to Rossi’s riding ability (this often gets lost with boppers). We already know how many titles he’s won, and he reminds us how awesome of a rider he is every season, and frankly its thrilling (Catalunya, even last lap Laguna this year, etc). However, why gloss over that he’s also a shrewd unsportmanlike character who whines and attempts to strong arm anybody weak enough to cave to his demands making the authenticity of the competition suspect? This is what separates a bopper--with no touch of reality, with a fan of the sport--who knows these men are trying to get theirs any way they can; of which sometimes (and this is one of them) it makes them look very stupid.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, ......., blah - Jum, dude you are not only getting boring, but you are now officialLY more repetitive and somewhat less coherent than you have ever been... back off on the tequila and try to post sober, dude... The ....... essays are not only not entertaining - they are getting to be no more relevant than a post from talpa, ss, or pinky... DUDE - FOCUS ON QUALITY NOT QUANTITY.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Nov 12 2009, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

J4rno, when Rossi first came out with these ramblings, you said he was NOT trying to get rid of Lorenzo. Have you changed your mind? Now that Rossi has been much more clear about his demands (was clear to non boppers way before), you have turned to trying to psychoanalyze his sensitivities? Hahaha, hilarious. You first ask the question; who should Yamaha choose, and now trying to understand Rossi’s heart for people, this is mere deflection. This is deflecting from the real nature of his demands, ungracious unsportmanship. Why are you glossing over this aspect?

Its clear enough why he doesn't want Lorenzo, don't try to dance around the issue. Its simply, Lorenzo is fast, fast enough to challenge him for the title (and probably would have beat him this year had Jorge not crashed out in some crucial incidents). There is no mystery here! He wants Lorenzo out because Lorenzo is fast. Lorenzo has been nothing but class, giving Rossi props when beaten (a very hard thing to do when you have a large ego, which he has managed to keep in check).

The funniest thing (which shows how ridiculous he's made himself look) is that now he's threatened to move to Ducati. Yeah, we are supposed to believe this? He wants to go where everybody not Stoner has struggled, and be teammates to a guy who he has already had a public rivalry? That kinda blows your "human sensitivity" argument out of the water.

Rossi is bullshitting about Ducati. It’s just a negotiation tactic! Nobody should take this seriously, especially Yamaha. He did the same thing to get his Bridgestones, Dorna caved. (Though as I type this, I am reminded about the gains Ducati has made, Ducati have made gains in trying to refine the bike, perhaps previously being Hayden's teammate, he knows that Nicky has more development skills than people give him credit for; and this is making a switch tempting, though I still think unlikely).

Lets not confuse what I’m saying as a dig to Rossi’s riding ability (this often gets lost with boppers). We already know how many titles he’s won, and he reminds us how awesome of a rider he is every season, and frankly its thrilling (Catalunya, even last lap Laguna this year, etc). However, why gloss over that he’s also a shrewd unsportmanlike character who whines and attempts to strong arm anybody weak enough to cave to his demands making the authenticity of the competition suspect? This is what separates a bopper--with no touch of reality, with a fan of the sport--who knows these men are trying to get theirs any way they can; of which sometimes (and this is one of them) it makes them look very stupid.


Isn't it great to have that much power!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 12 2009, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Meanwhile, the one you don't like has beaten the one I don't like square and fair. 1-0. The rest is vapor.

If the rest were "vapor" Rossi wouldn't be publicly going to these lengths
move Lorenzo out of Yamaha. It's not about personalities; they don't
hang out at wine bars after work. It's plain that Rossi doesn't is displeased
with the prospect of having someone who's beaten him numerous times
(and only getting better) doing it on equal machinery. I'm sure Rossi
would love to have one of his former foot-rest teammates back in the saddle.
Rossi will have his hands full with a healthy Stoner next year, not to mention
an injury free Pedrosa (supposedly with MM electronics and Ohlins suspension).
The odds against another championship will be that much steeper. He's not a
kid anymore and the youngsters around him are getting better all the time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Nov 11 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossis' name will still be selling yamahas 30 years from now. lorenzos wont. easy choice to make between guaranteed sales and a possible championship or 3...


Yeah RIGHT! I cannot think of one country where yamaha out sells Honda. Last stats I saw, Honda had over 50% of the global market. The remainder was split amongst the lesser brands.


I say keep Lorenzo & ditch the ancient burden! Rossi = Pentium 4 overclocked. Lorenzo = Core I7 STOCK!!!!!

I am the worlds greatest motorcycle rider.................. And, I will NOT face a challenge on equal machine. Becuase I am Valentino Rossi and I am a ...... bag.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Nov 13 2009, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah RIGHT! I cannot think of one country where yamaha out sells Honda. Last stats I saw, Honda had over 50% of the global market. The remainder was split amongst the lesser brands.


I say keep Lorenzo & ditch the ancient burden! Rossi = Pentium 4 overclocked. Lorenzo = Core I7 STOCK!!!!!

I am the worlds greatest motorcycle rider.................. And, I will NOT face a challenge on equal machine. Becuase I am Valentino Rossi and I am a ...... bag.

Malaysia pops to mind without thinking... are you really young or really stupid?

Have you ever had to manage assets? Nahhh

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 12 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The ....... essays
Skip over them. I don't mind. Its adult reading anyway, not your kind of thing.