If you were Yamaha, who would you choose?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Nov 12 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Isn't it great to have that much power!
Yes sweetheart, you're right.

One thing nobody did mention about is, maybe ( and i dont want to find an appology for the arrogang remarks of Rossi), but maybe he likes to fight with Lorenzo while Lorenzo is in another team and Developes and Sets up a bike for himself without knowing much about Rossi's data's in GP's.

We all have seen that from Rossi + JB that theyr good developers , but we haven't seen it yet from Lorenzo, if he could be able to develope a bike from begin all by himself.

And i think there is a big psychologic advantage for Lorenzo in Yamaha , that he hasn't as much pressure on his shoulders as Rossi has, and if Lorenzo goes to another team, he will have more

pressure on him, since in yamaha every time that he loses to Rossi, no one mention it at all, and it's understandable for all the people, but if he goes to another team and he cant shine

as he has done in yamaha and sometimes get beaten by the new team mate of him , then everyone will begin to focus more on his results.


So i only know that this remarks of Rossi made the next years championship hoter and a greater fight between these 2, and we still have another 2 or even more Top riders to join these 2 for fighting for the world championship

If I were Yamaha, I would choose JL. He is the future and much cheaper too. Yam is in big red. They cannot afford Rossi’ massive salary. If new president is sensible, he would invest in future. They have no luxury in putting everything in Rossi, who is openly flirting with Ducati, f1, and rally and may be gone in a couple of years. His arrival and success at Yam do not necessarily reconcile with their bike sales volume variance. Their sales in south east asia especially increased in the past few years, but of course no analyst mentioned it is due to Rossi. He is still the most popular rider, but his me me me me attitude does not help in gaining new fans.

Lorenzo - because he is the future. There's no way Rossi is going to do a Bayliss and race till 40. Rossi has 3 years left MAX!

Sorry for all the "GOAT" fans - life will move on without Rossi. Scares you doesn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

I'm convinced that Stoner is going to have a more successful future than Lorenzo in the post-Rossi era, but that's personal.
If Yamaha cannot get Stoner, then better they keep Spies and take Simoncelli, for the future.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm convinced that Stoner is going to have a more successful future than Lorenzo in the post-Rossi era, but that's personal.
If Yamaha cannot get Stoner, then better they keep Spies and take Simoncelli, for the future.Ain't hard to see J4rno. Stoner is the quickest out there. The dude is riding an inferior bike, compared to the YAM, but still super-fast !!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Nov 13 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ain't hard to see J4rno. Stoner is the quickest out there. The dude is riding an superior bike, compared to the YAM, but still super-fast !!!
Fixed it for you son of stoner.

Let's be fair, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that the Yamaha is "probably" the best bike at the moment. If they say so, why doubt them...

That does not mean that Stoner on a Yamaha would automatically be faster than he is on the Ducati. I think Stoner has that rare capacity to ride at his best even over the problems. He reminds one of Hailwood in that sense...

There is a story of Hailwood and Agostini when they were both riding for MV Agusta in the '60s. Ago was always very meticulous in testing and setting up the bike, whereas Hailwood didn't seem to care much about setup, tests etc. But they clocked similar times, so the engineers were puzzled. One day they asked the two riders to swap bikes for a check. As expected, Ago could not be as fast on Hailwood's shabbily set up bike, but on the other hand Hailwood did not improve his fast times on Ago's finely tuned bike... So...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Nov 13 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo - because he is the future. There's no way Rossi is going to do a Bayliss and race till 40. Rossi has 3 years left MAX!

Sorry for all the "GOAT" fans - life will move on without Rossi. Scares you doesn't it?

Not at all mate... 3 years more, 3 Championships more (two 800cc + one 1000cc), most wins all times all classes, all records beaten in top class, plus plus plus... there is nothing scary about it!

Then off to have old men's sport at Rallies or F1!

Note: Scary for the rest isn´t it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 13 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let's be fair, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that the Yamaha is "probably" the best bike at the moment. If they say so, why doubt them...

That does not mean that Stoner on a Yamaha would automatically be faster than he is on the Ducati. I think Stoner has that rare capacity to ride at his best even over the problems. He reminds one of Hailwood in that sense...

There is a story of Hailwood and Agostini when they were both riding for MV Agusta in the '60s. Ago was always very meticulous in testing and setting up the bike, whereas Hailwood didn't seem to care much about setup, tests etc. But they clocked similar times, so the engineers were puzzled. One day they asked the two riders to swap bikes for a check. As expected, Ago could not be as fast on Hailwood's shabbily set up bike, but on the other hand Hailwood did not improve his fast times on Ago's finely tuned bike... So...

So? So what... Who has the most records?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Nov 13 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fixed it for you son of stoner.

+1.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let's be fair, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that the Yamaha is "probably" the best bike at the moment. If they say so, why doubt them...

That does not mean that Stoner on a Yamaha would automatically be faster than he is on the Ducati. I think Stoner has that rare capacity to ride at his best even over the problems. He reminds one of Hailwood in that sense...

There is a story of Hailwood and Agostini when they were both riding for MV Agusta in the '60s. Ago was always very meticulous in testing and setting up the bike, whereas Hailwood didn't seem to care much about setup, tests etc. But they clocked similar times, so the engineers were puzzled. One day they asked the two riders to swap bikes for a check. As expected, Ago could not be as fast on Hailwood's shabbily set up bike, but on the other hand Hailwood did not improve his fast times on Ago's finely tuned bike... So...
J4rno, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that yamaha has lost that edge compare to other teams since new engine rule came into place.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 13 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let's be fair, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that the Yamaha is "probably" the best bike at the moment. If they say so, why doubt them...

That does not mean that Stoner on a Yamaha would automatically be faster than he is on the Ducati. I think Stoner has that rare capacity to ride at his best even over the problems. He reminds one of Hailwood in that sense...

There is a story of Hailwood and Agostini when they were both riding for MV Agusta in the '60s. Ago was always very meticulous in testing and setting up the bike, whereas Hailwood didn't seem to care much about setup, tests etc. But they clocked similar times, so the engineers were puzzled. One day they asked the two riders to swap bikes for a check. As expected, Ago could not be as fast on Hailwood's shabbily set up bike, but on the other hand Hailwood did not improve his fast times on Ago's finely tuned bike... So...

Oh I forgot, are you saying Stoner is more like a perfectionist that if everything is not exactly in place he pressures himself too much… And that Rossi is more like the easy going that can win Championships in all diverse classes that has participated (125, 250, 500, 990, 800), on 6 different bikes, with 3 different tyres (Bridgestone, Michelin & Dunlop) 226 times in a roll with an average of 46% wins?

Is that what you suggested J4rn0?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Nov 11 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember, Rossi is the one who insisted on THE WALL.

Ah, Rossi only KEPT the wall, after Jorge insisted on it during the bridgestone / michelin division. Rossi's a jedi. lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 14 2009, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh I forgot, are you saying Stoner is more like a perfectionist that if everything is not exactly in place he pressures himself too much… And that Rossi is more like the easy going that can win Championships in all diverse classes that has participated (125, 250, 500, 990, 800), on 6 different bikes, with 3 different tyres (Bridgestone, Michelin & Dunlop) 226 times in a roll with an average of 46% wins?

Is that what you suggested J4rn0?

I'm saying that Stoner reminds me of Hailwood, who was famous for being capable to be always at the top, irrespectively of having the "best" bike or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Nov 14 2009, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>J4rno, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that yamaha has lost that edge compare to other teams since new engine rule came into place.

True, but that concerns only the top speed, an area in which Yamaha never had any special edge. They have lost a few kph but the overall qualities of the Yamaha remain, as domonstrated by Lorenzo's 2nd place in the WC and Edwards' 5th.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Nov 13 2009, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo - because he is the future. There's no way Rossi is going to do a Bayliss and race till 40. Rossi has 3 years left MAX!

Sorry for all the "GOAT" fans - life will move on without Rossi. Scares you doesn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
I disagree in the number of years. He might quit before that but by age alone he can stay on top another 4-5 years, but lets use your 3 years any way.

- 3 years is probably slightly above the average time span riders are in the motoGp class.
- Three years of Rossi domination will probably kill the interest of you s.c. motoGP fans, not to mention the Stoner fans.
- After 3 years of loosing both Lorenzo and Stoner probably have retired
- 3 Years are more then enough for Rossi to break every record in the book and he can leave as the undisputed GOAT.
- 3 years more of your denial claiming "Stoner IS the faster" will be a pleasure to handle just like it is today.

You say Lorenzo and mean Rossi, Yes? After all, who would support the rider that will be the LOOSER for the next three years? Not even Yamaha are THAT stupid.

Sorry all of the "we love the sport above any single rider and we don't hate Rossi" wannabe's -MotoGP's champion and undisputed flag ship will be Rossi for another 3 years, at least. Scares you doesn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Oops you beat me too it V

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Nov 13 2009, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ain't hard to see J4rno. Stoner is the quickest out there. The dude is riding an inferior bike, compared to the YAM, but still super-fast !!!
Yes, the one year when ducati the at best 3rd string manufacturer somehow managed to produce a bike that had parity with the long-term class dominating manufacturer duo stoner looked quite good didn't he ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 14 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That does not mean that Stoner on a Yamaha would automatically be faster than he is on the Ducati.

I agree. Stoner is able to get the best of the Ducati, which when ridden by him as as fast as any bike out there. I'm not convinced that putting him on one of the easier to manage or 'better' bikes would make him leap ahead of the others, i would sooner expect to see his advantage over his teammates reduced a lot. He'll be at the top end of the timesheets either way

You started by saying:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 13 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let's be fair, both Rossi and Lorenzo are on record saying that the Yamaha is "probably" the best bike at the moment. If they say so, why doubt them...

Like you always take what Rossi & Lorenzo say as the holly truth? And then tried to suggest that Stoner reminds you of Hailwood, who was famous for being capable to be always at the top, irrespectively of having the "best" bike or not.

But Stoner did not do that at Honda, granted he was in his Rookie year. But at Ducati, when everything has not been just the way he likes it, perfectly for him, he has encounter himself, and not being able to be always at the top. So to your suggestion:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Nov 13 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That does not mean that Stoner on a Yamaha would automatically be faster than he is on the Ducati. I think Stoner has that rare capacity to ride at his best even over the problems. He reminds one of Hailwood in that sense...


I think Stoner found his golden bike and style to suit, and so far the only Rider that has got the Ducati up there to a Championship. But not like Hailwood in that matter of riding around a not perfectly suited bike. Or even like Rossi, who has proven over and over in completely different situations that can be on top and win Championships. Therefore my post asking you what I asked.

Do you see what we Rossi 'boppers' talk about... from your statements Stoner 'boppers' too?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Nov 14 2009, 05:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oops you beat me too it V

Are you feeling well bro? probably you need time off and go fishing! (Just joking stoner fans).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Nov 14 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You started by saying:



Like you always take what Rossi & Lorenzo say as the holly truth? And then tried to suggest that Stoner reminds you of Hailwood, who was famous for being capable to be always at the top, irrespectively of having the "best" bike or not.

But Stoner did not do that at Honda, granted he was in his Rookie year. But at Ducati, when everything has not been just the way he likes it, perfectly for him, he has encounter himself, and not being able to be always at the top. So to your suggestion:

I think Stoner found his golden bike and style to suit, and so far the only Rider that has got the Ducati up there to a Championship. But not like Hailwood in that matter of riding around a not perfectly suited bike. Or even like Rossi, who has proven over and over in completely different situations that can be on top and win Championships. Therefore my post asking you what I asked.

Do you see what we Rossi 'boppers' talk about... from your statements Stoner 'boppers' too?

Rossi and Lorenzo do not always say the truth, if they have a reason to hide it. Like everybody. But why should they say they have the best bike if that was not the case? There is no possible reason, quite the contrary -- so if they say so, I tend to believe them.

Stoner was very fast on the satellite Honda in 2006 -- hey, he even poled. His problem was the French tyres and related politics. If he had been on a factory Honda or Yamaha in his rookie year, he would have done better than Pedrosa (or Lorenzo in 2008 even).