How will Marc Marquez do in 2024?

Birdbird said:

All of his titles were down to having the greatest Honda bike during that period.

Just see what happens when Marc Marquez doesn't have the best bike?
No wins in two years.
Continuous nonstop crashes and getting so easily injured like a broken cheap toy made in Third World Country.

This year's honda is a decent and a winning bike.
Alex Rins proved that in Austin. It is Marc's lack of talent preventing him from winning.


If he is so talented like a God why did he crash and injured himself so badly in Jerez 2020?

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How did Valentino go when he got on what was a bike than one of the 4 factory bikes capable of winning except if Stoner was riding it ?.

Keshav said:

Mmmmm . . . while they didn't call it "MotoGp" back then, Kenny Roberts did in fact win the title his first year in the premiere class, and did so three years in a row.

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Technically at least Leslie Graham who won the first title in 1949 as well. Don’t think there are any others but don’t have any knowledge of 50s or 60s GP bike racing.

michaelm said:

How did Valentino go when he got on what was a bike than one of the 4 factory bikes capable of winning except if Stoner was riding it ?.

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Now you've done it...invoking the name of the one not to be mentioned.

Prepare to be in yellow hell...

michaelm said:

How did Valentino go when he got on what was a bike than one of the 4 factory bikes capable of winning except if Stoner was riding it ?.

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other than one of the 4

Birdbird said:

All of his titles were down to having the greatest Honda bike during that period.

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Convenient dismissal, yet not backed up by facts.

2013: Very little between the Yamaha and Honda. Yamaha had a returning Rossi and Marquez was in his first season. As I said before, no other rider has won on their debut season in MotoGP
2014: He won 10 races in a row, not since Mick Doohan in 1997 has someone managed that. His team mate only won 1 race, so if the Honda was so great why did he not win more?
2016: Next placed Honda was 6th, behind both factory Yamahas, A Suzuki and a Ducati. He won 2016 through more consistency rather than having the fastest bike, that honour went to Yamaha who had 2 riders who liked to crash more than they should have.
2017: The resurgence of Ducati as a championship contender. Again, there was little between the two bikes. Next Honda was 4th
2018: It is agreed almost everywhere that the Ducati was a better bike by 2018 but Dovi fell off way too much. Marquez was very consistent that year which is what earned him the title. The next Honda was....7th
2019: With Jorge Lorenzo not gelling with the Honda, Rossi on the tail end of his career and Dovi not being champion material, , Marc had it easier but he still single handedly won the Riders, Teams and Constructors titles, on a bike that ended Jorge Lorenzo's career. The next Honda was 9th

Birdbird said:

Just see what happens when Marc Marquez doesn't have the best bike?
No wins in two years.
Continuous nonstop crashes and getting so easily injured like a broken cheap toy made in Third World Country.

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So what is your point? Aside from Stoner, who has won on anything but a good/the best bike? Valentino Rossi certainly didn't.

Birdbird said:

This year's honda is a decent and a winning bike.
Alex Rins proved that in Austin. It is Marc's lack of talent preventing him from winning.

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So, what about 2021? Who was the ONLY rider to win on the Honda? Marc Marquez. So are you saying that Pol Espargaro, Alex Marquez and Takaagi Nakagami have a lack of talent? The same Alex Marquez who moved to Ducati and low and behold, has won a race this yr.

2018, 2019, 2020. Maverick Vinales won races on the Yamaha and Valentino Rossi didn't. So by your own words, it is Rossi's lack of talent preventing him from winning
2021 - Same for Fabio Quartararo.

Birdbird said:

If he is so talented like a God why did he crash and injured himself so badly in Jerez 2020?

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That is the most pathetic and desperate statement I have ever heard here.

"Why did a MotoGP rider crash"?

Same could be said for anyone including Rossi in Mugello 2010, and Doohan in Laguna Seca (I think) when he nearly lost his leg.

.... me man, go see a shrink.

Keshav said:

Mmmmm . . . while they didn't call it "MotoGp" back then, Kenny Roberts did in fact win the title his first year in the premiere class, and did so three years in a row.

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I knew you'd be a smartarse about it, which is why I specifically said MOTOGP. 2002 onwards.

#22 said:

Convenient dismissal, yet not backed up by facts.

2013: Very little between the Yamaha and Honda. Yamaha had a returning Rossi and Marquez was in his first season. As I said before, no other rider has won on their debut season in MotoGP
2014: He won 10 races in a row, not since Mick Doohan in 1997 has someone managed that. His team mate only won 1 race, so if the Honda was so great why did he not win more?
2016: Next placed Honda was 6th, behind both factory Yamahas, A Suzuki and a Ducati. He won 2016 through more consistency rather than having the fastest bike, that honour went to Yamaha who had 2 riders who liked to crash more than they should have.
2017: The resurgence of Ducati as a championship contender. Again, there was little between the two bikes. Next Honda was 4th
2018: It is agreed almost everywhere that the Ducati was a better bike by 2018 but Dovi fell off way too much. Marquez was very consistent that year which is what earned him the title. The next Honda was....7th
2019: With Jorge Lorenzo not gelling with the Honda, Rossi on the tail end of his career and Dovi not being champion material, , Marc had it easier but he still single handedly won the Riders, Teams and Constructors titles, on a bike that ended Jorge Lorenzo's career. The next Honda was 9th



So what is your point? Aside from Stoner, who has won on anything but a good/the best bike? Valentino Rossi certainly didn't.


So, what about 2021? Who was the ONLY rider to win on the Honda? Marc Marquez. So are you saying that Pol Espargaro, Alex Marquez and Takaagi Nakagami have a lack of talent? The same Alex Marquez who moved to Ducati and low and behold, has won a race this yr.

2018, 2019, 2020. Maverick Vinales won races on the Yamaha and Valentino Rossi didn't. So by your own words, it is Rossi's lack of talent preventing him from winning
2021 - Same for Fabio Quartararo.


That is the most pathetic and desperate statement I have ever heard here.

"Why did a MotoGP rider crash"?

Same could be said for anyone including Rossi in Mugello 2010, and Doohan in Laguna Seca (I think) when he nearly lost his leg.

.... me man, go see a shrink.

I knew you'd be a smartarse about it, which is why I specifically said MOTOGP. 2002 onwards.

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Dutch grand prix when Doohan was romping it in the lead of the title race against the likes of Rainey and Schwantz.

#22 said:

Oh look, a new poster who is clearly a Marquez hater. You won't do well here unless you change your attitude.

Instead of spouting words in capital letters, maybe tell us why, you think Marquez is a one trick pony? Shouting it does not make it so. This is a guy who:

Would have won the title in his first season in Moto2 were it not for injury.
The ONLY rider to win a MotoGP world title in his debut season
The ONLY rider to win a title against Jorge Lorenzo, Valentino Rossi and Dani Pedrosa
Won titles on control tyres (something Rossi never did), control ECU.
He has been the only one able to adapt and rider the Honda to anywhere near consistent competitiveness. Cal Crutchlow rode alongside him for 5 seasons and said he said his data, understood what he was doing but could never replicate it. Hardly the sign of a ONE TRICK PONY as you put it.

Finally, when questioned, nearly every one of his peers (Bagnaia and Quartarao to name 2, who are both world champions) have said Marc will adjust to the Ducati just fine and will 'cause them trouble' next yr. They know far more about Marc and the Ducati than you or I ever will.

If you want to come here for childish Marquez bashing, then kindly .... off as this isn't the place for you. Plenty of us here are not Marquez fans, but to try and deny he is one of (if not THE) greatest talent of his generation, then you are delusional.

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You know . . . I'm not a "gotcha" kinda guy, I'm looking at the post I replied to and see nothing about 2002. And, using that date would be a bit of a cherry picking of data to support a relative low bar. In the event, Peace Esse.

Look, I'm not going to debate it with you. You know as well as I do that by saying MotoGP, I meant the current MotoGP era from 2002.

From Wikipedia:

In 2002, rule changes were introduced to facilitate the phasing out of the 500cc two-strokes. The premier class was rebranded MotoGP.

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Actually Mate, I had no idea. In the event, not trying to "debate" you. I think most folks - when you say MotoGp, view it as just a practical/commercial re-branding of the old "Formula One" label, meaning premiere class. I always assumed the prime reason they re-named the premiere class MotoGp so as to differentiate it from Formula One of the four-wheel variety. Personally, I don't see that winning a championship in the first year - in MotoGp- is any more or any less an accomplishment.

DavidSim said:

I am most interested in how MM adapts to the Ducati, it makes things interesting, let's wait and see before drawing to any conclusions.

I hope MM does well on the mighty Duke, the 2024 season could be a real treat if he does.

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Marc Marquez is a ONE TRICK PONY.
He will fail to adapt to Ducati, he knows that too.

That's why Marc Marquez tried to bring his whole crew to Ducati to change the behavior of the bike.


Luckily Ducati is smart and prevent all Marc Marquez crew from infesting Ducati bike with rotten settings that only Marc can ride.

Good job Ducati

I'm not sure where we are going with using the data around M Marquez. Rossi was older than MM when he went to the satellite team, not a fair comparison. Lorenzo I predicted he would do badly when he went to Ducati but he even did worse than I predicted then in his second year he turned it around but too late. Lorenzo's year in Honda was marked with injury so couldn't be evaluated.

I'm still of the view that MM will take some wins in 2024 but not take the title. Shall find out next year as to the accuracy of my prediction. What's your prediction?

Birdbird said:

Marc Marquez is a ONE TRICK PONY.
He will fail to adapt to Ducati, he knows that too.

That's why Marc Marquez tried to bring his whole crew to Ducati to change the behavior of the bike.


Luckily Ducati is smart and prevent all Marc Marquez crew from infesting Ducati bike with rotten settings that only Marc can ride.

Good job Ducati

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Strange then how he has managed to win many races in every class he has ever ridden, including winning 125 and moto 2 titles, the latter a spec series in which he could finish on the podium from the back of the grid. I guess you were too busy watching Valentino show Stoner how to ride a Ducati to watch MM in moto 2 .

Birdbird said:

Marc Marquez is a ONE TRICK PONY.
He will fail to adapt to Ducati, he knows that too.

That's why Marc Marquez tried to bring his whole crew to Ducati to change the behavior of the bike.


Luckily Ducati is smart and prevent all Marc Marquez crew from infesting Ducati bike with rotten settings that only Marc can ride.

Good job Ducati

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Kind of like the way you are infesting the forum with rotten opinions? You know what the difference is? He is a 8 time champion and arguably the greatest rider to ever ride a bike. You are a terrible troll who lives in his mothers basement.

Birdbird said:

Marc Marquez is a ONE TRICK PONY.

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Is all you can type ONE TRICK PONY?

You realise the irony of that? I posted a rebuttle to your first post with those exact words and all you do is post the same 3 words, in capitals. It is YOU who is the ONE TRICK PONY.

Birdbird said:

He will fail to adapt to Ducati, he knows that too.

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In fact, quite the opposite. Again, as I said in my previous post, there is another Marquez who moved from Honda to a year old Ducati in 2023 and has gotten some podiums, including a Sprint win.

I also noted that Marc Marquez' peers (other riders who know far more about MotoGP than you or I) have said he will be a contender on the Ducati. Marc himself is staying quiet publicly until he has his first test, which is the sensible thing to do.

You statement screams of wishful thinking. Nothing else.

Birdbird said:

That's why Marc Marquez tried to bring his whole crew to Ducati to change the behavior of the bike.

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In fact he didn't, he asked and was told he couldn't. It is totally normal for riders to bring at least some of their team with them when they leave. Rossi did it going to Yamaha, and again to Ducati. Lorenzo did it going to Ducati.

If you want to talk of a rider bringing his whole crew with him to change the behaviour of the bike, then I suggest you research the 2 seasons Rossi was with Ducati where he took his whole team, and then had Ducati move away from their core philosophies (trellis frame) to make a twin spar frame similar to the Honda and Yamaha he was used to.

Birdbird said:

Luckily Ducati is smart and prevent all Marc Marquez crew from infesting Ducati bike with rotten settings that only Marc can ride.

Good job Ducati

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Ducati have only prevented him from bringing his team because they don't know if he will only be with the marque for a year. He may move to Aprilia ot KTM in 2025 but there is a chance, if he performs well, that he gets a factory Ducati ride too. I'm sure if that occured he would be reunited with some of his crew.

I'm going to tell you this one more time. Wind your neck in with the troll posts here. We all have riders or teams we don't like, but we debate here in a mature way and have a joint love of the sport. If you wish to try and poison this forum the same way as Crash.net and motorsport.com threads now are, then you WILL be banned.

mikesbytes said:

I'm not sure where we are going with using the data around M Marquez. Rossi was older than MM when he went to the satellite team, not a fair comparison. Lorenzo I predicted he would do badly when he went to Ducati but he even did worse than I predicted then in his second year he turned it around but too late. Lorenzo's year in Honda was marked with injury so couldn't be evaluated.

I'm still of the view that MM will take some wins in 2024 but not take the title. Shall find out next year as to the accuracy of my prediction. What's your prediction?

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I'm still gutted about Lorenzo, I had so much hope for him on the Honda.

I'm still curbing my expectations. If Marc is as good as he was in 2019 then I can see him being a contender for the title in 2024. BUT, at the moment I'm saying multiple wins. Like with Lorenzo, I've had my excitement crushed before.

#22 said:

I also noted that Marc Marquez' peers (other riders who know far more about MotoGP than you or I) have said he will be a contender on the Ducati. Marc himself is staying quiet publicly until he has his first test, which is the sensible thing to do.

You statement screams of wishful thinking. Nothing else.

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Look you got it all wrong I'm afraid.

The real experts who knows best, the team owners all collectively rejected Marc Marquez because they know he cab only win on a dominant honda. He can't change riding style to suit the bike, Pol Esperago found out.

It's no coincidence that Aprilia and KTM, and official factory Ducati team officially rejected Marc Marquez services.
They knew that he won't win on their bike due to lack of talent.
If Marc is a God like talent, why didn't Aprilia put him on the bike and win the title for them when they have a bike that is about as good as Ducati?

Why did KTM choose unproven Acosta over Marc if he's a God like talent?
Why didn't official Ducati take him up so that Marc won't go to the rival like KTM and Aprilia and steal title away from Ducati?

And why did Honda let him go despite still having one year in the contract? It's because he's running out of talent and not much use to honda.


So as you can see here, from the real inside experts of Motogp paddock, Marc Marquez's myth of being great talent had been badly exposed.

michaelm said:

Strange then how he has managed to win many races in every class he has ever ridden, including winning 125 and moto 2 titles, the latter a spec series in which he could finish on the podium from the back of the grid. I guess you were too busy watching Valentino show Stoner how to ride a Ducati to watch MM in moto 2 .

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He won races due to dominant bikes, nothing to do with his myth of God like talent.

Birdbird said:

Look you got it all wrong I'm afraid.

The real experts who knows best, the team owners all collectively rejected Marc Marquez because they know he cab only win on a dominant honda. He can't change riding style to suit the bike, Pol Esperago found out.

It's no coincidence that Aprilia and KTM, and official factory Ducati team officially rejected Marc Marquez services.
They knew that he won't win on their bike due to lack of talent.
If Marc is a God like talent, why didn't Aprilia put him on the bike and win the title for them when they have a bike that is about as good as Ducati?

Why did KTM choose unproven Acosta over Marc if he's a God like talent?
Why didn't official Ducati take him up so that Marc won't go to the rival like KTM and Aprilia and steal title away from Ducati?

And why did Honda let him go despite still having one year in the contract? It's because he's running out of talent and not much use to honda.


So as you can see here, from the real inside experts of Motogp paddock, Marc Marquez's myth of being great talent had been badly exposed.

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Who are these experts you speak off? The easter bunny, santa claus, and the tooth fairy?

Birdbird said:

The real experts who knows best, the team owners all collectively rejected Marc Marquez because they know he cab only win on a dominant honda. He can't change riding style to suit the bike, Pol Esperago found out.

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Like Gigi Dallignia?

Ducati finally admit longstanding Marc Marquez dream after many denials

“Marc is one of the most important champions in the history of motorcycling,” Ducati general manager Gigi Dall’Igna has now told Sky.

“Only a fool doesn't want Marquez.

“It has always been one of the objectives of these years.

“We were unable to find the possibility of working with him."

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Birdbird said:

It's no coincidence that Aprilia and KTM, and official factory Ducati team officially rejected Marc Marquez services.
They knew that he won't win on their bike due to lack of talent.

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Well Ducati confirmed they offered Marc a 2 yr deal on the Pramac, but he turned it down. Also, according to David Emmet, they offered him a 2 yr factory deal to replace Bastianini, which again he turned down
Mandalika MotoGP Thursday Round Up: A Peek Into The Soul Of Marc Marquez | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks
He also had other options, including a rumored two-year deal in the Factory Ducati team, replacing Enea Bastianini, according to one source with knowledge of the situation. But he didn't want a two-year deal.

Birdbird said:

If Marc is a God like talent, why didn't Aprilia put him on the bike and win the title for them when they have a bike that is about as good as Ducati?

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Because Aprilia have said they don't need Marquez or Quartararo and that their current riders are good enough. A mistake belief, but that is their belief.

Birdbird said:

Why did KTM choose unproven Acosta over Marc if he's a God like talent?

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KTM have 5 contracted riders in 4 seats next yr. Not getting Marquez for 2024 was the least of their concerns.

Birdbird said:

Why didn't official Ducati take him up so that Marc won't go to the rival like KTM and Aprilia and steal title away from Ducati?

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They offered, he declined. As I said above

Birdbird said:

And why did Honda let him go despite still having one year in the contract? It's because he's running out of talent and not much use to honda.

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Honda wanted him to stay, but have said they will not force anyone to stay who doesn't want to.

Why Honda MotoGP team wouldn't block Marc Marquez's exit
Koji Watanabe, the president of Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) - the constructor's racing arm - has always maintained that Honda would not prevent Marquez from leaving if that is what he wants.

Birdbird said:

So as you can see here, from the real inside experts of Motogp paddock, Marc Marquez's myth of being great talent had been badly exposed.

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Quite the opposite actually.

Birdbird said:

He won races due to dominant bikes, nothing to do with his myth of God like talent.

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Again, I proved this in a previous post that he has consistently outperformed the bike, and his teams mates.

Birdbird said:

Marc Marquez is a ONE TRICK PONY.
He will fail to adapt to Ducati, he knows that too.

That's why Marc Marquez tried to bring his whole crew to Ducati to change the behavior of the bike.


Luckily Ducati is smart and prevent all Marc Marquez crew from infesting Ducati bike with rotten settings that only Marc can ride.

Good job Ducati

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