How will Marc Marquez do in 2024?

MdubSTYLIE said:

I said he'd win the championship. But that was before we knew how ...... the gp23 was compared to the 24. I stand by my prediction and would like to double down for next year.

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I think the only thing stopping him next year is an injury. Unless the GP25 plays to Pecco's strengths better, but I believe Marc has shown he's adaptable enough.

MichaelBolton said:

I think the only thing stopping him next year is an injury. Unless the GP25 plays to Pecco's strengths better, but I believe Marc has shown he's adaptable enough.

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I think it will come down to what I have said for years about Marc. Other than dnf's a bad race for Marc is still like 3rd or 4th. Pecco has been known to have a few struggles each season besides his dnf's.

The gp23 bike won last year so no way is it the nail that some people make out. In fact MM in several races has made it look the equal of the gp24 due to his abilities to ride around any disadvantages the bike may offer. The gp23 like the gp24 we are told was built to be more rideable for let’s call them the non alien riders. The gp24 was better for the NAs than the 23 because it helped them whereas MM didn’t really feel the disadvantages because he had a bigger skill set and so was able to make the bike look even better than the non aliens could and even challenge those on the gp24. It’s accepted that many of the innovations of these bikes have tempered the abilities of true aliens like Marc to show off their skills over those of the non aliens. So there’s got to come a point where the bike is so refined that the aliens skills can only extract the same as the non aliens? Is that what we’ll see next year where the gp25 bike levels everyone’s skills out so it’s a pretty even game? Hmmm…we’ll see.

Pssst… they're all ...... aliens really!

Faz said:

The gp23 bike won last year so no way is it the nail that some people make out. In fact MM in several races has made it look the equal of the gp24 due to his abilities to ride around any disadvantages the bike may offer. The gp23 like the gp24 we are told was built to be more rideable for let’s call them the non alien riders. The gp24 was better for the NAs than the 23 because it helped them whereas MM didn’t really feel the disadvantages because he had a bigger skill set and so was able to make the bike look even better than the non aliens could and even challenge those on the gp24. It’s accepted that many of the innovations of these bikes have tempered the abilities of true aliens like Marc to show off their skills over those of the non aliens. So there’s got to come a point where the bike is so refined that the aliens skills can only extract the same as the non aliens? Is that what we’ll see next year where the gp25 bike levels everyone’s skills out so it’s a pretty even game? Hmmm…we’ll see.

Pssst… they're all ...... aliens really!

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I would say when you will see alien superpowers emerge on these new aero machines is when the tires begin to wear.

Same as it ever was.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I would say when you will see alien superpowers emerge on these new aero machines is when the tires begin to wear.

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Yes, if Bastianini can be fast at the end of races due to tire preservation or an ability to ride worn tires MM very likely will be able to do the same or better.

What will be interesting to see is whether these bikes really do let go unpredictably as Bagnaia claims and as Martin also claimed last year, history records MM can both finish consistently in his case even on a sub par bike and can ride a bike right on the edge.

Martin deserved the title, but I felt a little sorry for Bagnaia who is probably the marginally faster rider. He got into his end of season mode too late this year, although Martin was correctly not pushing things in the end of season races given the lead he had.

As the points were at the end of the season the two unnecessary crashes with the Marquez brothers did cost him more than Martin’s margin of victory, and I do wonder how helpful his mentor’s early season advice in regard to how to deal with riders named Marquez and antipathy towards riders so named was.

michaelm said:

Yes, if Bastianini can be fast at the end of races due to tire preservation or an ability to ride worn tires MM very likely will be able to do the same or better.

What will be interesting to see is whether these bikes really do let go unpredictably as Bagnaia claims and as Martin also claimed last year, history records MM can both finish consistently in his case even on a sub par bike and can ride a bike right on the edge.

Martin deserved the title, but I felt a little sorry for Bagnaia who is probably the marginally faster rider. He got into his end of season mode too late this year, although Martin was correctly not pushing things in the end of season races given the lead he had.

As the points were at the end of the season the two unnecessary crashes with the Marquez brothers did cost him more than Martin’s margin of victory, and I do wonder how helpful his mentor’s early season advice in regard to how to deal with riders named Marquez and antipathy towards riders so named was.

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IIRC the crash at Portimao was around the time that Rossi was saying he had told Pecco how to beat Marquez etc. So it could be argued that is cost him a championship. That one mistake in Portimao alone was enough to lose the title.

However, as you said. Martin was clearly riding for the championship this weekend.

michaelm said:

Yes, if Bastianini can be fast at the end of races due to tire preservation or an ability to ride worn tires MM very likely will be able to do the same or better.

What will be interesting to see is whether these bikes really do let go unpredictably as Bagnaia claims and as Martin also claimed last year, history records MM can both finish consistently in his case even on a sub par bike and can ride a bike right on the edge.

Martin deserved the title, but I felt a little sorry for Bagnaia who is probably the marginally faster rider. He got into his end of season mode too late this year, although Martin was correctly not pushing things in the end of season races given the lead he had.

As the points were at the end of the season the two unnecessary crashes with the Marquez brothers did cost him more than Martin’s margin of victory, and I do wonder how helpful his mentor’s early season advice in regard to how to deal with riders named Marquez and antipathy towards riders so named was.

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He should probably train a little less in the ranch

Can be difficult to judge the impact of a DNF as if the points were closer then perhaps Martin would of ridden more aggressively in the final races?

Perhaps one of Ducati's strengths is also its satellite weakness? It appears that Ducati is very strong at building a bike that is works best with the tyres, a winning strategy. Problem for the satellite teams is that they have bikes that are designed for the previous years tyres. Should also be noted that we are pretty much at a point where the only last year bikes on the grid are the Ducati's

mikesbytes said:

Can be difficult to judge the impact of a DNF as if the points were closer then perhaps Martin would of ridden more aggressively in the final races?

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Absolutely, of course both riders may have ridden differently had the points situation been different, particularly Martin who had no incentive to take any risks to finish first rather than settling for second in a number of races towards the end of the season.

I just like to have a shot at Valentino, and if he is still carrying on a vendetta 9 years on I don’t see why I should refrain. Valentino was turning up at the races and boasting about instructing Bagnaia in regard to dealing with MM early in the season, and imo however much Valentino and the VR46 riding school may have contributed to Pecco’s development as a rider, which is very likely quite significantly, any focus which was diverted to the Marquez brothers rather than Pecco’s real rival in Jorge Martin was fairly clearly counterproductive for him. I still wonder whether he would have made the moves which resulted in the dnfs at the times and places he did against riders with names other than Marquez

I have actually warmed to him as the season progressed, I see him as his own man now, he was as dignified in defeat as anyone could ask for and definitely more so than a certain other Italian rider who has won more titles, is obviously a high quality rider, and whether MM can ride these aero bikes as he can remains to be seen.

p4p1 said:

IIRC the crash at Portimao was around the time that Rossi was saying he had told Pecco how to beat Marquez etc. So it could be argued that is cost him a championship. That one mistake in Portimao alone was enough to lose the title.

However, as you said. Martin was clearly riding for the championship this weekend.

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What does Rossi know about beating Marc?

MdubSTYLIE said:

What does Rossi know about beating Marc?

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Rossi knows what didn’t work

Birdbird said:

2024 nearly everyone including Marc Marquez will get a shock of their lives when top Ducati riders kick his budt.

Marc Marquez is just a ONE TRICK PONY who had long passed his sell by date.

He won't be able to adapt to new riding style of aero dependant Ducati, be prepared to see plenty of crashes when this little rider becomes desperate to prove he is the best, when he obviously is nowhere near the best.

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Just thought I would leave this here.

p4p1 said:

Just thought I would leave this here.

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Predictions are always tricky, and often wrong. Nothing to be embarrassed about if they are wrong.

AnnoyingTwit said:

Predictions are always tricky, and often wrong. Nothing to be embarrassed about if they are wrong.

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Yeah but that put out a number of posts basically saying Marc ain't talented.

AnnoyingTwit said:

Predictions are always tricky, and often wrong. Nothing to be embarrassed about if they are wrong.

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When they’re are this wrong and clearly have a heap of venom behind it, yeah it’s worth being embarrassed about.

ETA: https://motogpforum.com/s/1562/?q=%252A&c%5Busers%5D=Birdbird&o=date

Link seems to work despite what it says.

AnnoyingTwit said:

Predictions are always tricky, and often wrong. Nothing to be embarrassed about if they are wrong.

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I'm embarrassed to breathe the same air as birdturd. He is a worthless bridge dweller.

I don't think that the poster has posted here since December 2023.

AnnoyingTwit said:

I don't think that the poster has posted here since December 2023.

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He has come around every now and then for years just to be a ..... He has had accounts banned and come back with new ones.

Well I did vote for MM to win the title, obviously that was never a serious chance for him.

Overall I think he did quite well considering the leap forward the GP24 made over the GP23 relative to the 23 over the 22. Outside of a couple of races, the rest of the GP23 riders didn't come close to performing the way he did. Wonder what Bezzecchi thinks now since he was crowing about finishing ahead of MM in the preseason and never did much of anything for most of the season.

But aside from that, I think MM's performance at Phillip Island was his ride of the year. I don't know if he would have been closer to Pecco or Martin had he been on a GP24, but he rode one of the more difficult Ducati GP bikes in recent memory extremely well overall, and adapted quite well to it. Looking forward to seeing what he does with full factory support and the most current iteration of the Desmo.