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This weekend will be another puzzle piece in the picture to see where MM really stands
How will Marc Marquez do in 2024?
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I do think it shows that at/after 30 you don't magically drop off a cliff, especially in this day and age.
Ago didn't really bother trying to win another world title after his final WC win.
Rossi's downfall may have been going to ducati and wasting 2 years there, but it may also be because 3 ATG riders were on the grid at that stage and after 2009 mechanical advantages were significantly reduced.
Doohan probably would have won in 1999, there is no reason to believe he would've stopped. Does he win in 2000 at 35 if he doesn't get injured? Is the first time he is tested during his reign in 2001 when Rossi arrives?
Dovi's best years were after he had turned 30.
I'm just not convinced that any rider will fall off a cliff once they are 30, injuries allowing.
Rossi actually winning the title in 2015 against MM, Lorenzo and Pedrosa at age 36 would really have been something had it occurred, it would have absolutely capped his legend, which is partly why he was so obsessed I guess. He looked like winning most of the season, and even I thought at that time a title win would have been well deserved had things continued in the same vein in the last races of the season. They didn’t however, and nobody including him should be given a title for leading for two thirds of a season which half seemed to be his attitude.
Honestly, I have never understood this obsession in sports with age. Can the guy still do it at the same level? If yes, continue. If no, stop. Simple
All this nonsense, "oh, rider X is taking the spot of a younger rider". BS! (One caveat, This of course only counts if the oiler rider is still performing)
Completely agree. The younger athlete needs to at the very least be extremely close to the level of the older guy before taking his spot.
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In a sport where significant resources are devoted toward developing a machine for results, I can see the value of a younger rider who is performing over an older rider.
You could use Pedro and Marc as an example of this to some extent.
Pedro has potentially a decade of great results ahead of him. Marc has a decade behind him. I dont see KTM placing Marc ahead of Pedro in their team, despite Marc's record, as Pedro will be there longer.
Marc is the best I've seen but his best years are behind him I expect.
You could use Pedro and Marc as an example of this to some extent.
Pedro has potentially a decade of great results ahead of him. Marc has a decade behind him. I dont see KTM placing Marc ahead of Pedro in their team, despite Marc's record, as Pedro will be there longer.
Marc is the best I've seen but his best years are behind him I expect.
The world of racing and results can be summed up in the phrase: .... happens
If not for this….or that….joe blow would have been, could have been etc. etc.
The greatest achievement in my book has to be being able to be happy with whatever it is that somebody has accomplished in the dangerous and unpredictable world of racing, then carrying on with life. Those with great career records like Fangio and Ago, or even those with more modest results like KRJr and Casey Stoner.
But that’s not what we do most of the time. Mostly, it’s the results we and the riders/drivers pay attention to and that count the most in evaluations.
If not for this….or that….joe blow would have been, could have been etc. etc.
The greatest achievement in my book has to be being able to be happy with whatever it is that somebody has accomplished in the dangerous and unpredictable world of racing, then carrying on with life. Those with great career records like Fangio and Ago, or even those with more modest results like KRJr and Casey Stoner.
But that’s not what we do most of the time. Mostly, it’s the results we and the riders/drivers pay attention to and that count the most in evaluations.
Imagine being a young lad coming up through the racing ranks. Your dream is the same as all the other guys...to win the world championship. Then your dream comes true. You are the best but then you quickly realize it's not enough. Man the pressure these guys endure.
As for accomplishments, with 3 premier class titles, Lorenzo has his place in history. Though he may never be in the conversation of GOAT, I maintain that when everything was right for him on race day, he was magnificent to watch. He made it look easy and effortless.
All true. Single mindedness to the task at hand it what it takes to win. Making it look easy just flows from that. I was and still am a die hard Lorenzo fan, so no argument from me. Yes, he made it seem like poetry or the greatest guitar solo when he was on. In addition to "normal" pressure, he had to deal with you know who and his minions. It's awesome that he made it through more or less in one piece. There are many others who I admire for the same kind of thing.
I am a big Lorenzo fan as well and was obviously hoping for him to win the 2015 title, which I guess partly explains my attitude to the Rossi shenanigans, although I was happy to acknowledge Valentino when he looked like winning fair and square for most of the season. One of my gripes was the lack of recognition for Lorenzo for his third title by many including his team, as he himself said the 2015 title put him on the same number of titles riding a Yamaha as KRSR, Lawson and Rainey. Yamaha seem to have wiped him from memory despite this.
He was incredibly tough as the clavicle fracture showed, but raced fairly, and in butterhammer mode was a sight to behold and near invincible. I also admired how he defended his title to the last inch in 2011, probably against the odds as Stoner on that 2011 Honda was not beatable by anyone riding a Yamaha, and of course as a Stoner fan he was the guy who bested my guy in 2012 so I had to go for him after Stoner retired.
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I hate to feed Trolls, but as he has not been back since December I think it's fair to say he won;t be. But
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Technically he is correct so far, Marc Marquez hasn't won a race yet but to quote Captain Obvious that win will come
At this point, from what I have seen from MM, and the jockying that is taking place with those at the top to other manufacturers for 2025, I have to admit that MM now has a real shot at taking the championship this year !
All it would take is some electronic trickery, and a few of those "wonky" rear tires, to pave the way !
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Not correct about Bezz though
My point is, his general opinion was Marc would be the slowest Ducati. Ironically, that has been Bezz.
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I agree M Marquez has a real chance of winning the world championship. At this point I see 4 riders having the potential to be world champion this year - Martain, Bagnaia, M Marquez and Bastainini. If you look at the average points per race they need to get to beat Martin, its not that great, the difference could end up being the DNF's
Rider | Points | Gain per round needed |
Martin | 171 | |
Bagnaia | 153 | 2.38 |
M Marquez | 136 | 3.69 |
Bastianini | 114 | 5.38 |
Acosta | 101 | 6.38 |
Vinales | 100 | 6.46 |
Binder | 85 | 7.62 |
Esparagaro | 82 | 7.85 |
Di Giannantonio | 74 | 8.46 |
A Marquez | 51 | 10.23 |
Bezzecchi | 45 | 10.69 |
R Fernandez | 32 | 11.69 |
Quartararo | 32 | 11.69 |
Oliveria | 31 | 11.77 |
Miller | 27 | 12.08 |
A Fernandez | 13 | 13.15 |
Mir | 13 | 13.15 |
Zarco | 9 | 13.46 |
Rins | 8 | 13.54 |
Nakagami | 8 | 13.54 |
Marini | 0 | 14.15 |
Anyone who says that is either a Troll or an ....., probably both
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DiGi is impressed with Marc Marquez, so hasn't been VR46 infected
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di Giannantonio talks VR46 Academy, factory upgrade and ‘on the limit’ Marquez
Fabio Di Giannantonio lavishes praise on Rossi's VR46 Academy, discusses his 2025 MotoGP Ducati upgrade and explains why Marc Márquez is 'on the limit'
Marc takes 3rd in the championship.
As an almost lifelong Marquez fan, this was such an awesome season. It was a joy to see him enjoy racing again. There was such great chemistry between him and the Gresini team.
When folks were doubting if the deserved to be promoted he proved them wrong. That win at Aragon was such a wholesome moment.
3 wins and 3rd in the championship on the GP23 which scored only two podiums in the hands of other riders are a fantastic result.
On to 2025! I can't wait.
As an almost lifelong Marquez fan, this was such an awesome season. It was a joy to see him enjoy racing again. There was such great chemistry between him and the Gresini team.
When folks were doubting if the deserved to be promoted he proved them wrong. That win at Aragon was such a wholesome moment.
3 wins and 3rd in the championship on the GP23 which scored only two podiums in the hands of other riders are a fantastic result.
On to 2025! I can't wait.
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I said he'd win the championship. But that was before we knew how ...... the gp23 was compared to the 24. I stand by my prediction and would like to double down for next year.
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