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How will Marc Marquez do in 2024?

How will Marc Marquez fare on the Gresini Ducati in 2024?

  • Win the championship

    Votes: 8 20.5%

  • Fighting for the championship, multiple wins

    Votes: 17 43.6%

  • A few wins

    Votes: 12 30.8%

  • No wins

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Worse than 2023

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    39
#22 said:
If you scroll back far enough, you will see I called for Marc to be banned after his Silverstone 2013 warm up crash....under yellows.
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Well that's a start I guess, calling him out for something he did in 2013, good job. Unfortunately he does it every single year to someone and gets away with it. It will be interesting to see what race control do. (nothing mostly)
Do we have a copy of race control directive? Does anyone read it? I don't because I'm lazy but I do like to know the rules, I wonder what they are.
Also while I'm here do you have a general thread that you chat on, or do we have to start a new one every time?
 
Nick Mac said:
Well that's a start I guess, calling him out for something he did in 2013, good job. Unfortunately he does it every single year to someone and gets away with it. It will be interesting to see what race control do. (nothing mostly)
Do we have a copy of race control directive? Does anyone read it? I don't because I'm lazy but I do like to know the rules, I wonder what they are.
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He is a controversial rider for sure, but to say he does something every year is a stretch. I assume the last incident you are taking about is Portimao 2023. Prior to that, the last incident he had was Argentina 2018 when he WAS punished, twice. I'll tell you what has NOT happened to Marc and that is "incident will be discussed after the race due to taking into account the riders position in the championship". Who did that happen to? Your "sportsman".

Talking of rulebooks. I assume you are referring to Portimao 2023 when Marquez did not receive a long lap penalty for his crash. To answer your question. Yes, the rulebook is available on the FIM website and yes, i dis study it. The discussion which can be found here:

Marc Marquez reportedly “going to win appeal”, will “benefit from clumsiness” of rule

In summary. Honda appealed and won because

1. The wording of the penalty was changed AFTER it was issued..due to hater backlash
2. It has been proven from eye witness testimony that Marquez repeatedly asked if the penalty was to be served in Argentina, THE next race instead of what would turn out to be HIS next race, and was repeatedly told "yes".

In additional response to your post, I could count numerous incidents from the rule book that other riders broke and "got away with" such as penalties for not attending a post race podium/interview/press conference. Who did that in 2015?
Nick Mac said:
Also while I'm here do you have a general thread that you chat on, or do we have to start a new one every time?
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You can start one if you want, but it tends to be topic based.
 
Nick Mac said:
Morning all,
I'm not here to troll, name call etc. I hate the polarisation it's unnecessary imo but seems to be the way now.
I'm an old man in my 60's who's been around bikes all my life and loves the racing. I can also recognise a true sportsman when I see one. I admire the skill to pick a bike up in a slide on your knee, but don't like to see someone deliberately disrupt someone elses race.
Because I'm an old cynic you will not change my mind so we will have to agree to differ.
As said new to this site but on first glance around the place looks ok.
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Around here, we just call that "passing".
 
Nick Mac said:
Crikey! A bit to get through there.
Ok MM I believe MM and JL collaborated to disrupt VR 2015 season. World press bit I don't get, 30 odd people have voted on this thread in 5 months? And I don't understand the tanking bit either, sorry.
To the others, thanks for the welcome, had I realised how MM biased your are I may have lead slightly differently, maybe. Because I believe something and you don't doesn't make either of us right, or wrong. We beg to differ, look it up. Neither of us can prove that MM and JL did not collude, or did because we just weren't privy to everything going on. It is what it is. I looked at the other thread, 70 odd pages there, I'll leave that thanks. MB you are right.
So on that note lets get back to keeping this thread MM related. I really really hope that he doesn't knock anybody off being rash this year, I think he can be reckless. On the quiz bit at the start I opted for 'he may win some races'
In the interest of balance and just in case any hetrosexuals look at this thread accidently, here is a pic of MM girlfriend.
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I was referring to the pre-Sepang 2015 press conference, which I believe was well attended by the motoGP press as is usually the case, and comments from which were rather widely circulated afterwards.

Of course there is pro MM bias on here including from me, but pro MM/anti Rossi bias is hardly the norm in the non Spanish press then or now, so why is that so problematic ?. People on here are amenable to argument if you present any, which you have so far failed to do. You are the one making the accusations, it is up to you to provide the evidence by most conventions, stating what you "believe " might be better on a forum devoted to religion. What is rather provable is that Rossi made an accusation at the Sepang 2015 press conference which he didn't and can't back up, particularly given it was a race MM actually won. It is also quite incontrovertible that Rossi was the one who was found by RD to have committed a riding illegality at Sepang 2015, while MM was found not have committed any infraction in that race, and that Rossi benefited in the title race by running MM off the track and out of that race.
 
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When the appeal thing came up I thought that's a bit off hand. But once it came out that they asked the question I thought fair play, the rules are the rules and if you can use them to gain an advantage, so be it. They should have just changed it after so it couldn't be done again.
I have downloaded the rules from FIM they look like they are fairly well laid out. The problems are going to come applying them in racing incidents, what is fair and what is not etc etc. I'll have a look when I get chance.
What time zone does this site run on? The posts appear a bit random.
 
mikesbytes said:
Not pointing this comment at anyone in particular but probably applicable to most here, including me.

Why do we keep debating something that happened something like 5 years ago? Hasn't all that can be said has been said so we are just regurgitating?
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It's 9 now.
.... me I am getting old
 
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Nick Mac said:
When the appeal thing came up I thought that's a bit off hand. But once it came out that they asked the question I thought fair play, the rules are the rules and if you can use them to gain an advantage, so be it. They should have just changed it after so it couldn't be done again.
I have downloaded the rules from FIM they look like they are fairly well laid out. The problems are going to come applying them in racing incidents, what is fair and what is not etc etc. I'll have a look when I get chance.
What time zone does this site run on? The posts appear a bit random.
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This is the major issue IMO.
There is a lack of consistency with what is a racing incident and what is not, where a gap is acceptable to go for and when it is not etc.
 
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mikesbytes said:
Why do we keep debating something that happened something like 5 years ago? Hasn't all that can be said has been said so we are just regurgitating?
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Because the custard crew can't let it go...it will forever be a thorn in the side to their master and leader, thus to them robbing the poor poof of the golden #10.

Someone should go undercover in the official fan forums of VR and see their thoughts and marching orders.
 
Thanks for a sensible comment, one of the only ones I have seen so far.
That's for the consistency comment, it wouldn't let me quote that dunno why.
 
Nick Mac said:
Thanks for a sensible comment, one of the only ones I have seen so far.
That's for the consistency comment, it wouldn't let me quote that dunno why.
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p4p1 said:
This is the major issue IMO.
There is a lack of consistency with what is a racing incident and what is not, where a gap is acceptable to go for and when it is not etc.
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I'm guessing this is the comment you considered 'Sensible' and by the second part of your sentence, you consider many of the other comments 'not sensible'

Do you care to elaborate? Or are they not sensible simply because they don't confirm with your "old cynical' biases? You made a statement that Marquez 'gets away with it every year' yet posted no evidence as such. In contrast, I showed that the last time Marquez was in a controversial incident prior to Portimao 2023 was Argentina 2018...a full 5 years earlier. Hardly 'every year'. It is also glaringly obvious how standards are applied differently to riders depending on the fan base. As has been pointed out in the other thread, when Rossi raced hard it was applauded ("It's racing Casey"), yet that behaviour is criticised from Marquez.


We all seem to agree that the consistency of race direction has been lacking. One major example is how Marquez got a penalty for crashing into another rider (Oliviera) at Portimao in 2023, when another rider (Luca Marini) did not for crashing into Enea Bastianinni.

Anyway, just over a week to go. And I am looking forward to seeing, as per the title of this thread, how Marc actually does!
 
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Mrpurple said:
Someone should go undercover in the official fan forums of VR and see their thoughts and marching orders.
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I for one would be interested in seeing this. When I became a fan of MotoGP back in maybe '04 or '05, I didn't know Valentino Rossi from Rudolph Valentino. I do remember Nick Harris sounding as if he had a poster of VR on his bedroom ceiling and slept in VR46 jammies. I did think it was pretty cool when after Biaggi threw his elbow at him, Rossi got by and went into the turn and flipped him the bird. I'll also admit to thinking the sport wouldn't be the same and/or as good without him. Then in the final years of his career it became evident to me the sport...and my interest in it...would be just fine even when it got to the point when I turned practice on and wanted to see where Rossi was, I'd start at the bottom of the timing tower and work my way up as he had become a fixture in the lower half of the lower half.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I didn't pay close attention to a lot of the extraneous goings on and I didn't frequent any racing forums such as this site or even Crash.net, so I didn't really know about Rossi commanding his fan base against Marc or any other rider. I did get a taste of the Valeban just before Crash shut down their comments section. The vitriol was thick.
 
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Motorsport.com and the-race.com are where all the Crash.net crazies migrated to.

I remember once, after Motegi 2017 I think when it was wet and Rosi crashed. One poster actually said 'Rossi was riding great until his tyres made him crash'

Rossi raised the profile of MotoGP massively from a commercial standpoint, and because of that, he was elevated to a status no other rider has enjoyed by the media and the governing body.

Regarding Nick Harris, the original article links no longer work, but there are plenty of quotes here that show what a Rossi fanatic he was:

Doctored: MotoGP’s Obsession with Valentino Rossi
 
#22 said:
We all seem to agree that the consistency of race direction has been lacking. One major example is how Marquez got a penalty for crashing into another rider (Oliviera) at Portimao in 2023, when another rider (Luca Marini) did not for crashing into Enea Bastianinni
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While agreeing that race direction is inconsistent, it must be difficult to make a judgement on every racing incident
 
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I agree to an extent, but it isn't hard to at least be consistent.
Much was made of Marquez' crash at Portimao, because instead of just losing the front like others do, he saved a front ture lockup but then hit two riders trying to control it. However, it was deemed "irresponsible riding" because he caused a crash. Marini also caused a crash, yet was not penalized.

For comical value, Fabio Quartararo got a penalty in the same race too for making contact with Mir, of which the only faller was Quartararo himself.
 
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#22 said:
I'm guessing this is the comment you considered 'Sensible' and by the second part of your sentence, you consider many of the other comments 'not sensible'

Do you care to elaborate? Or are they not sensible simply because they don't confirm with your "old cynical' biases? You made a statement that Marquez 'gets away with it every year' yet posted no evidence as such. In contrast, I showed that the last time Marquez was in a controversial incident prior to Portimao 2023 was Argentina 2018...a full 5 years earlier. Hardly 'every year'. It is also glaringly obvious how standards are applied differently to riders depending on the fan base. As has been pointed out in the other thread, when Rossi raced hard it was applauded ("It's racing Casey"), yet that behaviour is criticised from Marquez.


We all seem to agree that the consistency of race direction has been lacking. One major example is how Marquez got a penalty for crashing into another rider (Oliviera) at Portimao in 2023, when another rider (Luca Marini) did not for crashing into Enea Bastianinni.

Anyway, just over a week to go. And I am looking forward to seeing, as per the title of this thread, how Marc actually does!
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I am actually absolutely fine with a little light hearted/humorous trolling. The contention or belief that it is only other people who are biased a la Fox News does annoy me though.
 

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