How do you think Marq Marquez's result in 2013

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So, explanations for Marquez' results? 1200cc engine, surely? Or illegal Repsol fuel maybe? I know, custom-made Bridgestones. That's it.

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Nope he just finished 3rd out of 4.  You could say the result was poor because he finished in the bottom half of the field.

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But he beat his teammate and came close to beating Rossi. In his very first MotoGP race. I suspect HRC hacked the Honda's ECU and ran their own electronics system.

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But he beat his teammate and came close to beating Rossi. In his very first MotoGP race. I suspect HRC hacked the Honda's ECU and ran their own electronics system.

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Krop, please see my PM.  With the INSANE revs they are hitting, they <u>obviously</u> have some sort of cheat in place!  :bones:

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Welcome home Krops, I've missed you.  I agree, the kid did real good.  I would argue not technically nor breath compared to other high profile debuts (by a hair or so), but all things considered, he did commendable.  Marc made two overtakes that required and displayed his talent.  Factoring in the fact he is so young, this to me is the most impressive part as he maintained his composure.  And now for the caveats, Mental's alluding to the fact there are four maybe five bikes that could have challenged for the top positions, having finished among them should be relatively standard.  Its not a given, as Bradl can attest, but its not earth shattering stuff when you consider the parity between entries. Cal and many of his supporters seem to believe he could have would have challenged either Marc or Pedro if he had more power Scotty, at very least did manage to keep pace with them (no small feat indeed); you are not about to concede that Cal is as good as Marc, right?  You've lead me to believe Marc is a 'super' "alien" that would save us all from Global Warming, where at this point its proven to be just a bit of hot air; where his debut was more akin to a world class rider among world class riders on similar equipment.  Which is the trouble with deciphering what is what with these high profile debuts given they are done aboard the undisputed best bikes (UNLIKE Stoner's which was barely notice BECAUSE it wasn't on the best bike, notice a pattern?)  Which is exactly what I have been contending.  


 


You'll come back on here pointing and wagging your finger at me after Austin when he wins, but then I'll have to point out Lorenzo won his second race in his debut to the class.  And another caveat, Pedrosa's (and I would argue Stoner's) more impressive debut was against a field where more than 4 bikes were capable of winning on any given weekend, same goes for Lorenzo.  Marc is completing in a depleted field, his once lower-category peer (except for Bradl) who bothered him from time to time are all on inferior machines now, and his only real competition are 3 other riders.  Yeah, those other 3 are veterans, and thats why I say he did well to keep up with them in his debut.  I was thrilled to see him attempt an overtake on Rossi, it went some way in having me warm up to the lad.  I'll give you that. Oh and no, I don't think hes getting anything more special than Pedro.  For now, the balance of power in that team is as balanced and checked as is at Yamaha, for now.  Thank God for this balance because it hasn't always been this way, and when its not, its just one more layer of ........ when concluding who are the best riders.  Anyway, he beat Pedro, and that makes me happy.  I hope this continues until the end of time.  You have no idea the pleasure I derive from seeing the glamour camera shots of Puig's face when they seek that "human connection" to the action on the field.  

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I like you Krop

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Welcome home Krops, I've missed you.  I agree, the kid did real good.  I would argue not technically nor breath compared to other high profile debuts (by a hair or so), but all things considered, he did commendable.  Marc made two overtakes that required and displayed his talent.  Factoring in the fact he is so young, this to me is the most impressive part as he maintained his composure.  And now for the caveats, Mental's alluding to the fact there are four maybe five bikes that could have challenged for the top positions, having finished among them should be relatively standard.  Its not a given, as Bradl can attest, but its not earth shattering stuff when you consider the parity between entries. Cal and many of his supporters seem to believe he could have would have challenged either Marc or Pedro if he had more power Scotty, at very least did manage to keep pace with them (no small feat indeed); you are not about to concede that Cal is as good as Marc, right?  You've lead me to believe Marc is a 'super' "alien" that would save us all from Global Warming, where at this point its proven to be just a bit of hot air; where his debut was more akin to a world class rider among world class riders on similar equipment.  Which is the trouble with deciphering what is what with these high profile debuts given they are done aboard the undisputed best bikes (UNLIKE Stoner's which was barely notice BECAUSE it wasn't on the best bike, notice a pattern?)  Which is exactly what I have been contending.  


 


You'll come back on here pointing and wagging your finger at me after Austin when he wins, but then I'll have to point out Lorenzo won his second race in his debut to the class.  And another caveat, Pedrosa's (and I would argue Stoner's) more impressive debut was against a field where more than 4 bikes were capable of winning on any given weekend, same goes for Lorenzo.  Marc is completing in a depleted field, his once lower-category peer (except for Bradl) who bothered him from time to time are all on inferior machines now, and his only real competition are 3 other riders.  Yeah, those other 3 are veterans, and thats why I say he did well to keep up with them in his debut.  I was thrilled to see him attempt an overtake on Rossi, it went some way in having me warm up to the lad.  I'll give you that. Oh and no, I don't think hes getting anything more special than Pedro.  For now, the balance of power in that team is as balanced and checked as is at Yamaha, for now.  Thank God for this balance because it hasn't always been this way, and when its not, its just one more layer of ........ when concluding who are the best riders.  Anyway, he beat Pedro, and that makes me happy.  I hope this continues until the end of time.  You have no idea the pleasure I derive from seeing the glamour camera shots of Puig's face when they seek that "human connection" to the action on the field.  

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But he beat his teammate and came close to beating Rossi. In his very first MotoGP race. I suspect HRC hacked the Honda's ECU and ran their own electronics system.

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He did beat Pedrosa and I think he did it in a patient and calculated fashion.  I think his debut has been commendable and shows he is a genuinely talented rider.  He didn't nearly beat Rossi because in reality he lost to Rossi by the gap + the time Rossi lost by his mistake.


 


Where is his advantage?  He has the best crew in MotoGP.  Obviously this is not cheating and I do not suggest he is a cheat unlike last year where in a spec engine formula he clearly had more engine than the rest of the field.  If there is going to be any underhanded assistance for Marquez it will be next season.  This season is Rossi's who I think should be even money to win the championship.  The TV audience and Dorna's coffers demand it.  Lorenzo needs to watch his back because some fiddling is coming his way.

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Krop, please see my PM.  With the INSANE revs they are hitting, they <u>obviously</u> have some sort of cheat in place!  :bones:

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Geonerd said:

Since that cheesedick Krop ain't gonna pay for my hard work, I guess I'll share it with you nitwits!


From the 'official' MotoGP onboard feed of the Qatar race:

VR
Lots of 15,900 ~ 16,200 shift points on the shorter straights. This is true of all Yamaha riders.
16,470 drafting Doviziozo just seconds before he nearly torpedoed Pedrobot.
16,520 chasing Bradl.
16,500 Chasing / drafting MM
16440 After drafting by. Max clean air speed.
Anything over 16,500 and he'd start bouncing off the rev limiter.
Used the engine to it's full potential quite a lot when fighting with others. It's good to know that the bike has this ability, and no surprise that he ran out of gas.

JL
Cruise mode for much of the race. Typical front straight shift at 16,200 or so. 16260, 16,355, 16,180, 16,320, etc.
Dropped to 16,1xx later in the race. He did a good job of taking care of the bike. How much extra gas and speed he held in reserve is unknown, but the Boppers who outright claim that "VR was faster and would have won..." are in need of a shovel upside the head.

MM
(Hold on to your pants!)
The Honda Motor Company's engine can hit 17,000 RPM. Not all day, but on demand. Repeatedly.
I wonder if they are still running a full 1000cc??? (Krop says "Almost assuredly, yes.")
Typical race shifts are at 16,300 to 16,600. This is roughly on par with last year's engine.
But when the riders need a little help.... Look out!
16,788 draft+pass CC
16,950 in slight DP draft.
16.830 draft+pass DP then 16,920 in clean air after getting by.
16,980 + 16890 + 16,995 while chasing VR.
"Faaaak"

Reaching 17K must have cost HRC a fortune. So much for the 81mm bore limiting the cost.


DP
His telemetry was dropping data and the audio was noisy, but I'm pretty sure the spectrum analyzer was able to filter this out. Much the same as MM, as you'd expect. 16470, 15,590, 16,680, 16,770, 16,630, 16,850. Since he was never really drafting and passing anyone, I didn't see much 16,800+ action. (Either that, or the Cheating .......s in MM's pit are at it again.)

Cal
Seems to be on a hybrid beast. His revs are higher than last year's Yam (16,350 max, reserved for qualifying), but not quite equal to the factory bikes. Hit 16,380 and 16,460 while battling with others. One trip to 16,620 on a backshift overrev. When running clean laps, shift points appear to be a bit lower than JL/VR, and are similar to last year's bike. (Is it fuel or reliability or ??? that is the limiting factor?) He appears to have something better than a recycled hangar queen, but is it a 2012 motor with relaxed specs and/or possible minor tweaks, or a '13 engine being kept on a short leash by the firmware, or ?? Who knows.

No Duc or CRT footage at all.
So far, too little data to say much. A few (very few) pre-season Ducati samples showed them spinning their usual ~17,400. (They hit 17,6xx when racing with others last year.)

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Can I recommend taking up following Ból an bhóthair?

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What does Jarvis say?


 

 


Oh he just came by to say hello, we never talked about VR, honest.

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Since that cheesedick Krop ain't gonna pay for my hard work, I guess I'll share it with you nitwits! 


 


 


From the 'official' MotoGP onboard feed of the Qatar race:


 


VR


Lots of 15,900 ~ 16,200 shift points on the shorter straights. This is true of all Yamaha riders.  


16,470 drafting Doviziozo just seconds before he nearly torpedoed Pedrobot.


16,520 chasing Bradl.


16,500  Chasing / drafting MM


16440 After drafting by.  Max clean air speed.


Anything over 16,500 and he'd start bouncing off the rev limiter.


Used the engine to it's full potential quite a lot when fighting with others.  It's good to know that the bike has this ability, and no surprise that he ran out of gas.


 


JL


Cruise mode for much of the race. Typical front straight shift at 16,200 or so.  16260, 16,355, 16,180, 16,320, etc.


Dropped to 16,1xx later in the race.  He did a good job of taking care of the bike.  How much extra gas and speed he held in reserve is unknown, but the Boppers who outright claim that "VR was faster and would have won..." are in need of a shovel upside the head.


 


MM


(Hold on to your pants!)


The Honda Motor Company's engine can hit 17,000 RPM.  Not all day, but on demand.  Repeatedly.


I wonder if they are still running a full 1000cc???  (Krop says "Almost assuredly, yes.")


Typical race shifts are at 16,300 to 16,600. This is roughly on par with last year's engine.


But when the riders need a little help.... Look out!


16,788 draft+pass CC


16,950 in slight DP draft.


16.830 draft+pass DP then 16,920 in clean air after getting by.


16,980 + 16890 + 16,995 while chasing VR.


"Faaaak"


 


Reaching 17K must have cost HRC a fortune.  So much for the 81mm bore limiting the cost.


 


 


DP


His telemetry was dropping data and the audio was noisy, but I'm pretty sure the spectrum analyzer was able to filter this out.  Much the same as MM, as you'd expect.  16470, 15,590, 16,680, 16,770, 16,630, 16,850.  Since he was never really drafting and passing anyone, I didn't see much 16,800+ action. (Either that, or the Cheating .......s in MM's pit are at it again.) 


 


Cal


Seems to be on a hybrid beast.  His revs are higher than last year's Yam (16,350 max, reserved for qualifying), but not quite equal to the factory bikes. Hit 16,380 and 16,460 while battling with others. One trip to 16,620 on a backshift overrev.  When running clean laps, shift points appear to be a bit lower than JL/VR, and are similar to last year's bike.  (Is it fuel or reliability or ??? that is the limiting factor?)   He appears to have something better than a recycled hangar queen, but is it a 2012 motor with relaxed specs and/or possible minor tweaks, or a '13 engine being kept on a short leash by the firmware, or ??  Who knows.


 


No Duc or CRT footage at all. 

So far, too little data to say much.  A few (very few) pre-season Ducati samples showed them spinning their usual ~17,400. (They hit 17,6xx when racing with others last year.) 

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Since that cheesedick Krop ain't gonna pay for my hard work, I guess I'll share it with you nitwits! 


 


 


From the 'official' MotoGP onboard feed of the Qatar race:


 


VR


Lots of 15,900 ~ 16,200 shift points on the shorter straights. This is true of all Yamaha riders.  


16,470 drafting Doviziozo just seconds before he nearly torpedoed Pedrobot.


16,520 chasing Bradl.


16,500  Chasing / drafting MM


16440 After drafting by.  Max clean air speed.


Anything over 16,500 and he'd start bouncing off the rev limiter.


Used the engine to it's full potential quite a lot when fighting with others.  It's good to know that the bike has this ability, and no surprise that he ran out of gas.


 


JL


Cruise mode for much of the race. Typical front straight shift at 16,200 or so.  16260, 16,355, 16,180, 16,320, etc.


Dropped to 16,1xx later in the race.  He did a good job of taking care of the bike.  How much extra gas and speed he held in reserve is unknown, but the Boppers who outright claim that "VR was faster and would have won..." are in need of a shovel upside the head.


 


MM


(Hold on to your pants!)


The Honda Motor Company's engine can hit 17,000 RPM.  Not all day, but on demand.  Repeatedly.


I wonder if they are still running a full 1000cc???  (Krop says "Almost assuredly, yes.")


Typical race shifts are at 16,300 to 16,600. This is roughly on par with last year's engine.


But when the riders need a little help.... Look out!


16,788 draft+pass CC


16,950 in slight DP draft.


16.830 draft+pass DP then 16,920 in clean air after getting by.


16,980 + 16890 + 16,995 while chasing VR.


"Faaaak"


 


Reaching 17K must have cost HRC a fortune.  So much for the 81mm bore limiting the cost.


 


 


DP


His telemetry was dropping data and the audio was noisy, but I'm pretty sure the spectrum analyzer was able to filter this out.  Much the same as MM, as you'd expect.  16470, 15,590, 16,680, 16,770, 16,630, 16,850.  Since he was never really drafting and passing anyone, I didn't see much 16,800+ action. (Either that, or the Cheating .......s in MM's pit are at it again.) 


 


Cal


Seems to be on a hybrid beast.  His revs are higher than last year's Yam (16,350 max, reserved for qualifying), but not quite equal to the factory bikes. Hit 16,380 and 16,460 while battling with others. One trip to 16,620 on a backshift overrev.  When running clean laps, shift points appear to be a bit lower than JL/VR, and are similar to last year's bike.  (Is it fuel or reliability or ??? that is the limiting factor?)   He appears to have something better than a recycled hangar queen, but is it a 2012 motor with relaxed specs and/or possible minor tweaks, or a '13 engine being kept on a short leash by the firmware, or ??  Who knows.


 


No Duc or CRT footage at all. 

So far, too little data to say much.  A few (very few) pre-season Ducati samples showed them spinning their usual ~17,400. (They hit 17,6xx when racing with others last year.) 

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