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Here's for the Pedrosa Haters,
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Your Mom's House
^ clearly written by someone who doesn't understand the sport...or the world, or elementary logic (among other things).
This was posted a while back on PS but thanks for giving another go. Its a hilarious read. The only thing that has changed about this article is that instead of 8 years of failure, its now 9, and count 10 next year. Pedro's MotoGP numbers shouldn't fool anybody (though undoubtedly they do); which are a function of being on a winning worthy machine ALL of his career. His chances of lifting a title have exponentially increased every year during his MotoGP career, from 06 when most machines on the grid could win a race, to several years of only 4 bikes on the grid, to now where basically its 2 bikes that can lift a title, yet still nothing by way of a championship. The truth is, that even if we reduced the number of title worthy machines to 1, with him on it, he still wouldn't win a title. Why? Pedro is a world class rider but he is NOT a champ quality athlete. He hasn't lifted a title while 3 of his teammates have, and that will continue until he retires because he simply doesn't have what it takes over a season, and this despite being on the best bike combined with unrivaled technical and financial support year in year out. Think about this for a moment (oh, I know you already stopped reading Migs, I know words hurt your brain and all) but how much does one have to suck to be given a stacked hand, say an ace in your pocket all the time, and still lose? Ok, maybe you are unlucky once, twice, but 9 times?
Before any of you start asking who might one replace with Pedro, here is my list:
Scot Redding (hungry, and proven potential from Moto2, and not as fragile, and certainly would put balls on the line to win a title)
Andrea Iannone (if you are content with numbers compilation without a title, Crazy Stupid Joe is more spectacular at doing it)
Pol Espargaro (I'm not a fan because he's a crybaby, but certainly willing to put his balls on the line to win a title, at very least dual with Marquez again)
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Norah Head
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Welcome back Winston / Jumkie, and whatever other user you've logged in and decide to post as this time....Its good that you've finally been paroled for harassing and stalking Nicky ...
Regarding, you prediction for replacing Dani....I think you are mistaken....
- Scott has a 3 year deal with Marc VDS, so when Dani's contract expires at the end of 2016....Scott wont be available....
- Iannone, good guess but he wont leave Ducati after these next 2 years....He will take full lead of the Duc as of 2016....so will be lead rider in 2017...
P.Esparagus will take his brother's place at Suzuki since that is the only chance he will get of being a full a factory rider in 2016....
Who does that leave?
Well the one person you ignored....Miller
Miller has a 3 year contract with HRC....2015 year to learn and get used to MotoGP in open class, 2016 year to ride full factory bike that Cal will vacate, and 2017 to Take Dani's ride on Repsol Honda....(assuming MM doesnt leave HRC for Ducati with Iannone or Yamaha with Rossi)....
the only thing that will stop this from happening is that is Miller not being able to handle motogp....
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Well said. The article was idiotic. Pedrosa is an elite talent who hasn't managed to win a title against a group of riders who may go down as the greatest to ever race GP. What a pathetic failure, right guys?
Championships are the biggest achievements riders are measured by, but they don't tell the whole story. I mean, Nicky has a title. Is he better than Pedrosa? Who will have the stronger legacy after hanging it up?
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Pedrosa's legacy will last much longer than most riders.....
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2014/ARA/table4.pdf?v1_6393b6c3
Its like Biaggi....his legacy will last a long long time for those of us that love the sport, and we can appreciate him for his talent...even if we dont like the rider as a person or the persona we think they are...
Another title winners whose legacy will be lost to time are KRJR....like Nicky he was just consistent and lucky enough to get the title.....but afterward couldnt come close to defending the title and the following years were pretty much a waste of time....
So would we call Nicky or KRJR parasites? No...
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See Angel Nieto!!!!!
3rd in all time wins, still a GP legend, an absolute national icon, yet never won 1 race or championship on anything larger than a 125.
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unda cheese
Just about every person that has rode the Repsol Honda the last 10 years will achieve legend status. Just about everybody that has rode the repsol Honda has also won a title in the last 10 years. Everyone that is except Pedrosa. Dovi didn't have much time at all on the bike to win anything. Easy to be a legend when you're riding a legendary bike.
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Yes, we get it:boredom: ... you hate Pedrosa ...
So who should have replaced Pedrosa at HRC for 2015 and 2016?
In my view, no one that can win or podium as consistently as Pedrosa has in this year or the past 8 years is available to ride.....or would do as well as he has and is doing...
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Redding is overrated - Iannone is far superior. Hayden, back from surgery, has out-qualified him already.
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Iannone is great but his future is with Ducati.
Aoyama has been top proddy Honda 2 races in a row....maybe he should get another chance by Aspar?
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Your Mom's House
"No won could win or podium as consistently as Pedrosa..." what would lead you to this conclusion? JK just pointed out the FACT in the last 10 years (and we could go back 20) every HRC factory rider who has ridden the machine at least three years has won a championship EXCEPT Pedrosa, and your genius retort is, 'i get it, you hate Pedro'? Well...that is breathtaking. Logic much? Yes, we get it...your deduction skills suck. The suggestion in the facts pointed out in JK's post were for you to deduce that perhaps Pedro isn't as good as you and Povol think he is because: Pedro has been on the best machine/team/support for 9 years running (10 years next year) and has failed to win a title every single year running. You don't think Pedrosa's "legacy" of winning the odd race over a season and accumulation podiums has to do with being on the BEST .... in the paddock (while this being a direct disparity to contenders)? You love to throw in your predictions in the pre-race threads, and its being laughable to see this trend continue despite the fact, as JK once pointed out, the finishing order has/will be: Honda/Yamaha 1. factory 2. factory 3. factory 4. factory with astonishing frequency (baring some extraordinary circumstance). Parity in GP means nothing to you, but parity has exactly dictated how the finishing order results present themselves with metronomic consistency. Pedro has had a 1:4 chance of wining every race at least since 2008 (the odds were 1:6 years 06/07) and this year a 1:2 by simple virtue of being on a HRC factory machine. That means the better the odds have been of winning a title and the failure to do so suggest his record is a direct function of being on a winning machine and less a function of him being as good as you erroneously believe.
Pedrosa's GP record can be summarized as similar to Crutchlow & Alesh's podium recently, that is, if you eliminate enough world class riders from contention, either by acute crash (example of a one-time event) or CHRONIC/BUILT-IN DISPARITY (by design) then the finishing order may lead you to mistaken conclusions.
Pedrosa has remained at HRC particularly from circumstance not exactly the blinding talent that has, well blinded you. His 250 title was achieved because the influences of Alberto Puig "helped" Casey Stoner on to a subpar machine that eliminated Pedrosa's best competitor. Casey was the 250 runner-up and went to a satellite machine, this should have rightfully been Pedrosa's seat had the influences of Puig not propped Dani up in the feeder series. The same tactic was employed in 2007-08 by HRC imposing Puig's grand plan for the Repsol Team's future, which was an epic failure. The Pedrocycle not only eliminated Hayden from contention, but it was a laughable title contender under the man it was specifically designed for, a one Dani Pedrosa. It wasn't until Luvio Suppo convinced Casey Stoner to HRC factory that they would ever win a title again, given it had become painfully clear to Honda that they were never going to sniff a title while Pedrosa was their number one rider against the likes of Lorenzo and a defanged (no more special tires) old ... Rossi. And again, with Casey's shock retirement it was circumstance that kept Pedrosa at HRC (NOT his "illustrious GP record"), unless you think Honda were going to keep Pedrosa over the new boy wonder Marquez. For a clue, look no further than Dorna/HRC kissing the rookie rule good bye, as it was clear their intention was to sign MurderMac to the factory squad. Casey's retirement has more to do with retaining Pedrosa at Repsol Honda than his "winning" record. So you and Povol can keep waxing eachother's dicks about how great Pedrosa is, but you'll need a bit more meaningful analysis to understand Pedrosa's actual GP legacy.
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Jumkie we get it you too hate Pedrosa ... its all a great conspiracy which as per your diatribe has failed to make Pedders champ.....
But his failure to win the MotoGP title so far won't and doesn't diminish Pedrosa's GP legacy in GPs
.....as a fan of the sport you might appreciate that Dani has a great record and that in the smaller classes he very was impressive (even if you think it was all a fix), his record in the top class is also impressive....and HRC must think so as well otherwise they wouldn't keep him on year and year....HRC isnt going to give a top level seat to any rider are they?
Would Dani have been as good or impressive had he not been on Repsol Honda and been with Gresini instead? Maybe not, but HRC didnt give us the chance to find out....so what we are left with the real history of Dani's record in GPs in all classes...
Lets maybe discuss the concept of legacy....are the following riders legacies tainted for not having won the MotoGP (not WSBK) title?
- Capirossi
- Simoncelli
- Biaggi
- Cadalora
- A.Nieto
or perhaps your view is that the lower classes doesn't count toward a rider's legacy in GPs (lets ignore your conspiracy theories about Dani for the moment)?
And finally.... I will ask again, since you tried not to answer it...
So who should have replaced Pedrosa at HRC for 2015 and 2016?
But his failure to win the MotoGP title so far won't and doesn't diminish Pedrosa's GP legacy in GPs
.....as a fan of the sport you might appreciate that Dani has a great record and that in the smaller classes he very was impressive (even if you think it was all a fix), his record in the top class is also impressive....and HRC must think so as well otherwise they wouldn't keep him on year and year....HRC isnt going to give a top level seat to any rider are they?
Would Dani have been as good or impressive had he not been on Repsol Honda and been with Gresini instead? Maybe not, but HRC didnt give us the chance to find out....so what we are left with the real history of Dani's record in GPs in all classes...
Lets maybe discuss the concept of legacy....are the following riders legacies tainted for not having won the MotoGP (not WSBK) title?
- Capirossi
- Simoncelli
- Biaggi
- Cadalora
- A.Nieto
or perhaps your view is that the lower classes doesn't count toward a rider's legacy in GPs (lets ignore your conspiracy theories about Dani for the moment)?
And finally.... I will ask again, since you tried not to answer it...
So who should have replaced Pedrosa at HRC for 2015 and 2016?
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My 2 cents, i do like the pedrobot but.....https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...ltYu1Zc5C194C-KYCchyvcthEqxritKrjGV0I3qAjdYE-
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Pedders Repsol Honda ride was saved by Stoner retiring, were it not for that he'd have been on a Satellite Honda probably this year.
