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Spent a month up there this summer and found folks to be really gracious and easy going everywhere I went. Didn't spend much time in the cities - but the folks up Nova Scotia way were just as you described. Boring as .... mind you, but couldn't be friendlier or more welcoming.
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I have avoided almost all discussion on this topic- with my username it's for the best
But my mate, never a particular Rossi fan, far more of a Stoner fan, would disagree with your words. When we watched the race live he was disgusted with MM's tactics long before the incident, and immediately after it, his opinion was that MM deliberately caused his own takedown having been pushed to the edge (and not beyond) of the track, at very slow speeds, by a very pissed off Rossi.
Make of that what you will, but not all impartial observers (my mate got me into this sport back in the days of the Transatlantics, Donington 1987 to be precise) see this as completely black and white
Fell on purpose to get Rossi in trouble, is that what you are saying. Wow.
This is Marc Marquez we are talking about, has a 1/2 second extra pace but decides to get his revenge on Valentino. I put nothing past him. Can't wait for the day MM admits to what he did at Sepang was intentional.
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So you are onboard with the mindset that Marquez fell on purpose to get Rossi in trouble. Wow, just wow.
What, he has mind control powers and forced Valentino to make a non-racing move which was found by RD to be illegal.
Your "arguments" grow ever more ridiculous, particularly given you constantly accuse others of bias.
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Not at all, my mate said that he thought MM caused his own takedown. His meaning was that MM could have stopped or run wide and that, as they were going so slowly, it didn't need to be a split second decision. Instead MM chose to turn in and accelerate when there was a bike in the way of his chosen trajectory. Actually a remarkably similar POV to Doohan's from the link Gaz posted :
Doohan said:
"It's all ........". Mick Doohan on the 2015 MotoGP season. | Superbike Magazine
Surely your friend doesn't dispute that Rossi made a non-racing move in the first place however? I don't think Doohan makes that contention either.
Would it have been Stoner's fault had a collision occurred at LS08 after Rossi's off-track excursion, although that was the result of a riding error/semi-saved lose rather than anything deliberate by VR imo.
Why not, you are on the mindset that it was a 'premeditated' attack. This is plain garbage. I can play your stupid game too gramps.
Yam, MD's view is similar to mine (that was posted at the time) in that MM could have avoided the collision were it not for the unexpected actions by VR,
Basically, to me MM realised (if he even did) that VR was not performing a standard overtake manouver where usual expectation would see MM accepting 'defeat' and trying to apply to the power to stay in touch. This would have been normal behaviours of two riders racing but as we know, by his own admission at that point VR was no longer racing but slowing online to 'confront Marquez' (my words paraphrasing VR's).
Actually I would love to see forward facing camera footage from MM to see how much VR was within view through all of this as I genuinely wonder if there may be some peripheral vision issues given his prior sight concerns?
BTW, not questioning you or your mate (always enjoyed your posts) ............ but I have also seen a fuller comment from MD where he does mention the 'resume racing' line with regards to Marquez expectation of Rossi's actions - will see if I can find it but may have been audio.
Oh and Papp, re-read my comments in the Sepang thread about this - they have not wavered
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Being brutally honest and becoming a mind reader here Papp but ...............
I do not think that VR entered the race with the plan to knock MM from his perch .............. but I do feel that as the victim of actions he perceived to be unfair he then decided to take his own action (this is irrefutable as he himself said he decided to confront Marquez).
The premeditated part (if there is one) was that VR did consider it and I suspect it came down to a few of the slower corners as he knew the severe risks involved in a similar action at a high speed corner ........ when the opportunity presented, he took it, the result is now the subject of much flogging of a dead horse
Being brutally honest and becoming a mind reader here Papp but ...............
I do not think that VR entered the race with the plan to knock MM from his perch .............. but I do feel that as the victim of actions he perceived to be unfair he then decided to take his own action (this is irrefutable as he himself said he decided to confront Marquez).
The premeditated part (if there is one) was that VR did consider it and I suspect it came down to a few of the slower corners as he knew the severe risks involved in a similar action at a high speed corner ........ when the opportunity presented, he took it, the result is now the subject of much flogging of a dead horse
I agree with your first part. There is no question Vale went wide to intentionally slow Marc down. Dani said at the press conference 'the leader has the right to take as wide a line as he wants' Marc did not have to turn into him, for me it is Marc who tried to induce Rossi to drop it by forcing his bike on him.
What I do not agree is that he wanted to crash him purposely. This is ......... No way, no chance, you can not 'plan' a crash, how to tell what the result will be, what if Valentino fell instead? He had everything to lose, Marquez had nothing to lose. No way he would risk a crash. He said it, all he wanted to do was force him wide to slow him down. I believe this 100%, this intentional crashing nonsense is invented by the guys in this forum with schizoid disorder, gramps and the other guy who's psychiatrics.
Rossi himself was reported at RD to have said that he deliberately went wide and slowed to a crawl to confront Marquez (these were comments initially reports - since seemingly moderated).
The issue is that MM wanted to continue racing and could not, thus the impact.
I have never suggested that VR wanted MM to crash as having seen a deliberate crashing at a club day I would like to think that at the top level this would not occur as no matter how much riders detest the other, they know the dangers of their sport and would not crash another rider from the race intentionally or deliberately. Unfortunately however, this year (have to get that in before years end) we have seen it with Karel Hanika who did just that, and escaped with barely a feather slap ........ deliberately crash a rider from a race should be a lengthy holiday, and I mean very lengthy holiday.
The bigger shame of it all is what became of the season?
Finally there was a season with multiple riders genuinely contesting races and a championship, where some of the races were sublime battles, where we saw rider v rider duels the likes of which we had not for some time, and yet the champion is forgotten, the emergence of Ianonne, Vinales and Smith overlooked as we still argue over Sepang
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As it happens I actually received the psychiatry prize as part of my undergraduate medical degree, yet you won't see me making any psychiatric diagnoses via the internet and nor would I if I had gone on to qualify as a psychiatrist; compounding argumentum ad hominem with cod psychology hardly strengthens your case.
I actually agree and have said previously that I don't think VR really intended to crash MM out, but he made a non-racing move deemed illegal by RD and is responsible for the consequences of that move. I suspect former rivals such as Stoner and Gibernau would have avoided crashing out as Stoner did at the Corskcrew at LS 08 and Gibernau at Jerez 2006, but that doesn't change Rossi having made a riding error or having pulled a dirty move respectively, as MM not avoiding collision doesn't alter Rossi having made a non-racing move at Sepang.
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Neither of us dispute that Rossi shouldn't have been doing what he was at the time - I don't think anyone really disputes that, but if MM had reacted differently snd no-one had come off their bike I doubt that penalties would have applied. Without MM's crash, was it really worse than MM running VR onto the rumble strip a few corners before? And that was done at full speed. AFAIK the penalty was only applied because it was deemed that Rossi caused an avoidable crash.
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Re Stoner & LS08,most certainly not. Without Stoner's avoiding actions there would have been a collision and it would definitely have been VRs fault.
I completely agree.
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What exactly did he have to gain by just slowing Marquez down. Had Marquez not fallen, he would have been right with Rossi after their confrontation . Even if he did pick up a few bike lengths with the maneuver , how long would it be before a insanely pissed off Marquez caught him and dumped him since you and Rossi are sure he had a half second in his back pocket. That seems like it would be more of a gamble than just dumping him and hoping his name would save him.
I go with David Emmett's call, he became so frustrated that he "lost his mind" for a second time, the first being the pre-Sepang press conference(s).
I have absolutely no idea what VR's intentions were, if any, but deliberately taking other riders out is a strategy fraught with the risk of also going down, and he had much more to lose than MM as has been said.
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You would have loved to see Rossi get dumped. Keep delusional yourself Gramps. Yes, of course Rossi premeditated the whole thing since he knows exactly how it would go down with contact. What did he have to lose anyway if he fell instead of Marquez. Maybe Josh Brookes was right, Rossi was a gentleman to long and should have grassed him eariler...
So that also makes Iannone a mental case since he also 'lost his mind' at the Sepang news press?
