Joined Oct 2008
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In Cider
Back then it was 'playing with them', but today it is called something else when the shoe is on the other foot .
As you and many others say, it is about winning and the best and easiest way to win is to lead every lap and keep yourself away from the goonies trying to catch you.
I bet you that 99.8% of people would rather get paid and not have to work rather than have to put in solid hours of work for the same pay ........... running away at the front is just making the work day easier
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Back then it was 'playing with them', but today it is called something else when the shoe is on the other foot .
As you and many others say, it is about winning and the best and easiest way to win is to lead every lap and keep yourself away from the goonies trying to catch you.
I bet you that 99.8% of people would rather get paid and not have to work rather than have to put in solid hours of work for the same pay ........... running away at the front is just making the work day easier
Pretty damn simple concept isnt it, but the boppers are all conditioned from what they have been fed over the years, that Rossi loves a fight.Rossi's idea of a fight is following someone for 90% of the race, pass them and win by 3 seconds in the last 10%. Thats not a fight. He is finding out what a fight is and as it turns out, he aint much of a fighter
I don't have a problem with VR's race strategy, he can ride a race which ever way he wants. I think he formulated his strategy when tyres needed to be warmed up more, and were also more prone to wearing out late race, so preserving tyres early and riding worn tyres better late, both of which he could do better than anyone else, were advantages for him, fairly and rightly so. I am not sure why he can't change now though if required, perhaps this is one aspect where being 36 tells.
Jorge's strategy actually involves its own risks as well, he goes very fast early on tyres which may be a little cold, makes audacious passing moves even on the first lap, and may wear his tyres pushing so hard early race.
Ya pays ya money and ya takes ya choice as they say, and as I have said previously there is no obligation that I can see for other riders to fit in with VR's ideal race strategy. In particular, if MM after crashing out of a number of races pushing hard early in the first part of the recent season decided late season to reserve his own push till later in races and this impeded or beat VR's strategy, tough.
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Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
The thing is, back then Rossi could run 90% and stay with the competition. Now that strategy finds him 4-5 seconds down after 2/3 race. Every once in a blue moon, it will work out but the majority of the time it fails. Change in this circumstance means finding speed he doesn't possess
Joined Jan 2016
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Uk
Rossi's meltdown/lame attempt (borne from the fear that Lorenzo's relentless pace had unsettled him big time) to use his usually successful mind games to force Marquez to go over the top to beat Lorenzo (maybe even take him out) thus helping Rossi, backfired spectacularly when he chose to get personal with Marquez. I believe he succeeded in only getting him angry and resolved to ram Rossi's verbal attack back down his throat. This is the reason Marquez raced so hard at Sepang.
Ironically if Rossi had for once done all his talking on the track, he could possibly have been champion right now.
It'll be interesting next season if he keeps quiet now he's got his fans on high alert to do his dirty work for him...
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italy
Yes Rossi is so scared he went hide in the ranch with his friends..Bahahah grow up people. Rossi was slower than Lorenzo most of the times but he would have won the title if things had been normal. Rossi would have beaten Lorenzo at Philip Island. Maybe not at Sepang. Probably not at Valencia.
But it's good so that people like you can enjoy the winter break and the others know MM is the Joker and not a candid boy
Cheers
But it's good so that people like you can enjoy the winter break and the others know MM is the Joker and not a candid boy
Cheers
Stuff and nonsense, and your opinion and not fact; at least you have stopped misapplying the "fact" word.
If things had been "normal" MM wouldn't have crashed out of 6 other races, there wouldn't have been so many wet races, and JL would have settled for 3rd instead of crashing out at Misano on cold rain tyres on his out lap and VR who had made a tactical misjudgment in staying out too long on slicks wouldn't have had a lead in the championship going into PI. All of these things did happen, and were mistakes by others, and if VR had won by being better in the prevailing circumstances including all those circumstances then the title would have been well deserved.
I was going to say that Dani's health/injury problems requiring surgery also affected the championship but that unfortunately for Dani is fairly "normal" for him
However VR wasn't fast enough in the last 3 dry races to keep his championship lead and that's the way it was. As people continue to request of you, produce one statement from anyone, observer or participant, prior to the Sepang press conference that casts any doubt on how the PI race was run, and MM is perfectly entitled to run whichever tactics he chooses anyway, particularly given he won the race. Rossi couldn't even beat Iannone in that race in a straight fight and had the option, as he had for every race, of qualifying and/or starting better and not letting Lorenzo get ahead of him in the first place, which he couldn't or chose not to do.
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Norah Head
Lets just sum up and say that in 2015 rossis ambitchion outweighed his talent. .... It a real word that suits this situation.
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Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Don't you love how they keep ignoring the Ianonne [PI] and Pedrosa [Aragon]factor as what really cost Rossi the title. If Rossi had the pace to beat Lorenzo at PI he would have. There was a time in that race where Rossi was 2nd behind Lorenzo, you would think with the urgency at hand, he would have gone ahead and forced his will on Lorenzo if he could. The total lack of understanding of Gp or racing in general is strong with the boppers. If you get to the front, why don't you just ride off in the distance, Rossi set faster lap than Lorenzo so that means he could have beat Lorenzo, warm up times are a precursor to race results, are just a few examples of what makes a bopper a bopper .
Joined Aug 2008
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Thailand
Joined Oct 2008
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PI he would have finished 4th, no matter what boppers assume Marquez 'did'. Sepang. He actually finished one place higher than he should have, for all the bopers say Marquez was clearly faster, therefore Marquez would have finished ahead of Rossi and at Valencia he finished where he would have finished regardless.
Where is your evidence that Rossi would have beaten Lorenzo at PI?
Agreed.
Joined Mar 2014
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italy
Rossi was faster than Lorenzo at PI, and so was Iannone..They overtook eachother 50 times and Lorenzo was still there. Look at their fastest laps. Lorenzo tried to get away the whole race and failed.
Marquez would have won at Sepang or finished second behind Pedrosa if you wish. He was so much faster during the warm up. But maybe you missed it. Laapping 2.00 in WarmUp and then 2.02 during the race LMAO.
Rossi would have finished fourth at Valencia. No matter if MM stayed all the raced behind Lorenzo like he did, not even a win would have brought the #99 the championship.
Open your eyes
Marquez would have won at Sepang or finished second behind Pedrosa if you wish. He was so much faster during the warm up. But maybe you missed it. Laapping 2.00 in WarmUp and then 2.02 during the race LMAO.
Rossi would have finished fourth at Valencia. No matter if MM stayed all the raced behind Lorenzo like he did, not even a win would have brought the #99 the championship.
Open your eyes
Again - BS.
There was a total of 57 overtakes (from memory - these were counted by a female journalist)between all 4 (read them, 4) riders which includes Marquez, Lorenzo, Ianonne and Rossi. From memory Iannonne complete 19 overtakes and (again from memory) Rossi was around 15, Marquez was around 17 and JL was the remaining.
EDIT - found the correct figures - refer to the bottom of this post
Race management, look it up sometime
Oh, and if he failed to get away, why then did he still finish in front of those two riders who overtook one another more times than the word Rossi is mentioned in this forum.
Again .......... warm up and races are conducted under different conditions - else please explain why a guy in a dry morning warm up may well be uncompetitive if the race is wet. Conditions and that includes weather, track, tyres and bike setup (Sepang is actually notorious in terms of humidity impact on bikes and riders)
No you need to open your eyes - for a number of reasons.
1. MANY, races at Valencia are won by a rider who has led all laps - if my memory serves correct it is something like 5 of the last 9, or 4 of the last 8 prior to 2015
2. Jorge Lorenzo led the most laps throughout the season which tends to indicate that he is difficult to pass when he is 'in the zone'.
2. The WORLD CHAMPION FOR THE YEAR 2015 is a dude called Jorge Lorenzo who accumulated the most points across a season ............ that is a FACT and will remain so until such time as the earth implodes on it's own axis
EDIT:
Found it - https://www.instagram.com/p/8-yoabRWrC/
Ianonne - 18
Marquez - 16
Rossi - 11
Lorenzo - 7
Now, adding Rossi (11) plus Ianonne (18) is 29 overtakes for those two riders not the claimed 50 (which admittedly is down from the 75 of last week)
To add her comments (I have highlighted a very relevant section in bold):
tamgoraliAfter a long nap sat down to count passes.
52 in total for the top 4.
Most passes were by @andreaiannone with 18. Second place to @marcmarquez93 with 16. Third place to @valeyellow46 with 11 and @jorgelorenzo99 as he led most of the time with 7 passes only.
There were only 2 double passes VR on DP+CC to 4th position and AI to 2 a pass on VR + MM.
Highest position for VR was second and lasted only 2 corners.
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Open your own; it would seem you are incapable of reading, even apart from watching the races (if you do) in a very limited spectrum involving only the colour yellow. Repetition of opinions not consistent with the facts doesn't make them any more valid.
Again, if Rossi was faster than Jorge at PI why didn't he dispense with him earlier in the race when there was no-one else between them, as Povol said? Why didn't he just get in front of Jorge from the start of the race and stay there? I have never rated MM much as a savant, but his statement of the bleeding obvious in regard to the PI race, to wit that JL was the rider Rossi needed to beat rather than him, was rather a non-sequitur. It would seem you have not watched many MotoGP races, but running a couple of laps a tenth or two faster at the end of a race does not equate to catching and successfully passing the rider leading the race, particularly if there are other riders involved, which at PI included Iannone as well as MM, which you continue to blithely ignore.
One fast lap in warm-up has never won a race for any rider ever as far as I am aware either. Pedrosa certainly, and I think JL probably as well, ran times in other sessions faster than MM's fastest lap in the Sepang warm-up in any case. Logic is obviously something with which you are rather unfamiliar, but if MM was faster than Lorenzo on the basis of that 1 warm-up lap how was Valentino going to beat JL who had a number of warm-up laps faster than VR's best (EDIT VR was 6th in terms of fastest laps in the Sepang warm-up, and Jorge had 6 laps in that warm-up which were faster than Valentino's fastest warm-up lap).
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Others have responded eloquently, as I think it is you who needs to open your eyes. You are like every Rossi bopper that's ever joined here. You CLAIM impartiality yet twist every one of your assumptions as fact to suit your Rossi narrative, let's see how you respond to Gaz and Michael M's posts.
So by that assumption, at Laguna Seca 2008, Casey Stoner was messing with Rossi deliberately because he was 6 tenths of a second faster in warmup so should have been riding away into the distance a la Sepang 2015 for Marquez right?
EVERYONE. Commentators, riders, mechanics, journalists, even Casey Stoner himself, thought that a win for him was a forgone conclusion that day in 2008. When asked on the grid if he had any concerns, Stoner replied "None"....there were people that probably bet large sums of money on Stoner winning that race such was their confidence given that he had dominated every single session and the closest anyone had got to him was in qualifying when Rossi was 0.447s behind (which for a short track like Laguna, is an age).
So with your logic, Why didn't Stoner win that race by 20 seconds?
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Uk
Just one thing, overtaking in a MotoGP race??? WTF?
Are we to expect Dorna to issue a new rule, instructing riders that under no circumstances must they overtake Rossi, as it interferes in him making a smooth transgression through the race, ultimately preventing him from achieving his fastest possible race time.
Funnily enough prior to Valencia Rossi's fans were petitioning for his penalty to be lifted, so he could embroil Lorenzo in a dogfight that they were sure their hero would win and take the title.
Is it me or are we talking double standards here?
Are we to expect Dorna to issue a new rule, instructing riders that under no circumstances must they overtake Rossi, as it interferes in him making a smooth transgression through the race, ultimately preventing him from achieving his fastest possible race time.
Funnily enough prior to Valencia Rossi's fans were petitioning for his penalty to be lifted, so he could embroil Lorenzo in a dogfight that they were sure their hero would win and take the title.
Is it me or are we talking double standards here?
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Out of Nowhere
Well if you watch the attack on Marquez again at Sepang it was quite a fluid motion I guess. I agree, Dorna certainly wouldn't want any other rider getting inhibiting of Rossi lashing out and getting a clear shot at Marquez again.
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
And here it is again, a total misunderstanding of the sport of racing. I will draw it with a crayon if it helps, warm up practice means nothing when it comes to the outcome of a race. They are run at completely different times of day which means track temp are vastly different. Anyone who knows anything about this sport knows that a 10-20 degree swing in track temps can lead to a bike that looked dominant in early morning practice or warm up,to a complete dog hours later on a much hotter track. These bikes are so precise and dialed in,, humidity, cloud cover, sunshine, etc etc can be the difference in winning and finishing 4th.
