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Should have stayed out. Would of won that ......
It's sucks that Cuntslow's decisions always seem to hold back Buttflow.

"I don't think anyone could beat us today" said Crutches...except for his .... decision "not to look at the pit board", following in Dovi and Rossi because "they have the experience" so he just "followed them in." Other than that, and his .... qual, and early pace, and Marquez decision to go with slicks, and Marquez's superior pace, Clunky could have totally won.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
It's sucks that Cuntslow's decisions always seem to hold back Buttflow.

"I don't think anyone could beat us today" said Crutches...except for his .... decision "not to look at the pit board", following in Dovi and Rossi because "they have the experience" so he just "followed them in." Other than that, and his .... qual, and early pace, and Marquez decision to go with slicks, and Marquez's superior pace, Clunky could have totally won.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Maybe he should hire a coach.
 
U ppl still talking about 2015?? Shiet.. How come u aint talking about lorenzo/marc and gibernau/rossi? Both at the same track and same corner. Or marc/rossi at assen 2015?
 
U ppl still talking about 2015?? Shiet.. How come u aint talking about lorenzo/marc and gibernau/rossi? Both at the same track and same corner. Or marc/rossi at assen 2015?

I did raise the two Jerez incidents, for which Rossi and MM respectively should probably have been penalised, and certainly shouldn't have kept the positions they gained, imo.

MM was at fault in the Assen 2015 incident, which was not penalisable imo but he should have had to give up the position he gained had this occurred.
 
U ppl still talking about 2015?? Shiet.. How come u aint talking about lorenzo/marc and gibernau/rossi? Both at the same track and same corner. Or marc/rossi at assen 2015?

The VR/SG and VR/MM ones were mentioned when the incident happened but us haters were told that they were unrelated and in no way similar :cool:
 
If I felt Marc turning into Rossi absolved him of responsibility, I'd argue Rossi never should've been penalized or Marc should've received a penalty as well. My argument is that Rossi didn't intentionally cause Marc to crash, thus the penalty he was given was correct. I referred to the incident with Marc and Wilairot because there are similarities.
Just curious, what exactly do you believe Rossi was trying to accomplish.
 
It's sucks that Cuntslow's decisions always seem to hold back Buttflow.

"I don't think anyone could beat us today" said Crutches...except for his .... decision "not to look at the pit board", following in Dovi and Rossi because "they have the experience" so he just "followed them in." Other than that, and his .... qual, and early pace, and Marquez decision to go with slicks, and Marquez's superior pace, Clunky could have totally won.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

He is basing this on posting the fastest lap of the race after Marquez had backed off 11 seconds of a 21 second lead in the last 4 laps, which by the way were the time period that the track was at its optimal condition for the day. Crutchlow was still 3 seconds off normal race pace on slicks so im guessing Marquez could have gone much faster in the last lap had he been trying to pass or hold someone off. He set his fastest lap on lap 24, all the other front runners set theirs on lap 29-30. I like ole Cal, but sometimes the boy seems dumber than a stump.
 
According to Mat Oxley, Rossi told the team to put the intermediates on the second bike.

And how did he do that?
Hand gestures?
Smoke signals?

Edit to add: He had chosen the intermediates in a meeting with his team, after their experience with the slicks on Friday. In the cold and damp then, the slicks had been terrifying, not giving any grip or feedback. The intermediates seemed like the right choice during the meeting. But practice turned out to be very different from theory.



I hadn't seen this when posting.

Furthermore; why did yamaha racing stick with an idea/strategy that was formulated not in race conditions, and certainly not made in the active/evolutionary form. As to say; they made a judgement to act and denying current racing conditions/actual track and weather.

Seems amatuer.
 
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Would Crutchlow be on the bike if he changed the bike when Marc changed? He can't even stay on the bike in normal conditions.
 
Would Crutchlow be on the bike if he changed the bike when Marc changed? He can't even stay on the bike in normal conditions.

If Cal would have went in when Marc did, he would have lapped the field and started the redbull ring test early.
 
And how did he do that?
Hand gestures?
Smoke signals?

Edit to add: He had chosen the intermediates in a meeting with his team, after their experience with the slicks on Friday. In the cold and damp then, the slicks had been terrifying, not giving any grip or feedback. The intermediates seemed like the right choice during the meeting. But practice turned out to be very different from theory.



I hadn't seen this when posting.

Furthermore; why did yamaha racing stick with an idea/strategy that was formulated not in race conditions, and certainly not made in the active/evolutionary form. As to say; they made a judgement to act and denying current racing conditions/actual track and weather.

Seems amatuer.

They said the slicks were useless on a damp track for both riders. No one gets more heat into a front tire than MM, which has a lot to do with why he was able to go out so early on the slicks.
 
The whole 'win on Sunday, buy on Monday' is long over.

Anyone who buys a motorcycle based on the success or failures of prototype machines is an ......

What you need to remember is that Yamaha also chose not to celebrate Lorenzo's championship in the wake of Rossi's meltdown last year. Tells you how much they think the whole thing sells motorcycles.

Well... after my recent jaunt through Asia where I saw literally thousands of Rossi Replicas and likewise Repsol Replicas, I'd have to say that marketing does work. Many buyers are idiots, but then I suspect you know that. Personally I've always lusted after the Hailwood Replica, the Wes Cooley Replica, the Lawson Replica the Bayliss and Stoner Replicas and the Freddie Spencer Replica. Wouldn't mind having them in my garage. The Rossi Replica... not so much.

 
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Well... after my recent jaunt through Asia where I saw literally thousands of Rossi Replicas and likewise Repsol Replicas, I'd have to say that marketing does work. Many buyers are idiots, but then I suspect you know that. Personally I've always lusted after the Hailwood Replica, the Wes Cooley Replica, the Lawson Replica the Bayliss and Stoner Replicas and the Freddie Spencer Replica. Wouldn't mind having them in my garage. The Rossi Replica... not so much.





So that's why he's always plucking away at his leathers...
 
Hmm, all this is hardly an answer and you know it. Are you turning into a kind political fundamentalist, replying according to "allegiance" rather than according to reason? Assuming I have that "allegiance", because I've been very critical of Valentino's own conspiracy theory. I understand Rossi's campaign against Lorenzo has made you sour, but why give up common sense because of that.

I didn't read the whole thread, but again: the very simple facts (some of them debatable, but that's secondary) that you listed, even if accepted in toto, can never support the mentioned conspiracy theory, which remains a completely arbitrary conclusion.

It's like saying that since you may like vanilla ice cream (fact) and the local ice cream parlour last week stopped selling vanilla (fact), then there is a conspiracy against you to prevent you from enjoying your favorite ice cream (ops... false!). It's a classic false syllogism, because the link drawn between the facts and the conclusion is arbitrary -- it's false in any language and in any logic system.

Someone called these "sylligisms". Why fall into that kind of pit. :)

Waiting for certain elements to further .......ize the spelling so it comes out silly jisms. Only a matter of time.:p
 
So that's why he's always plucking away at his leathers...

Burgess had trained the monkey to undo Vale's wedgie but after a while you couldn't get him to do it for all the banannas in Cuba. When he was released from his contract last week the monkey was hired as Crutchlow's new riding coach.
 
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He is basing this on posting the fastest lap of the race after Marquez had backed off 11 seconds of a 21 second lead in the last 4 laps, which by the way were the time period that the track was at its optimal condition for the day. Crutchlow was still 3 seconds off normal race pace on slicks so im guessing Marquez could have gone much faster in the last lap had he been trying to pass or hold someone off. He set his fastest lap on lap 24, all the other front runners set theirs on lap 29-30. I like ole Cal, but sometimes the boy seems dumber than a stump.
Wait, Marquez held back in last lap? I don't think Cal Cruises noticed.

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I love Jesus.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
I did raise the two Jerez incidents, for which Rossi and MM respectively should probably have been penalised, and certainly shouldn't have kept the positions they gained, imo.

MM was at fault in the Assen 2015 incident, which was not penalisable imo but he should have had to give up the position he gained had this occurred.

The VR/SG and VR/MM ones were mentioned when the incident happened but us haters were told that they were unrelated and in no way similar :cool:


Haha. The rossi/gibernau and marc/lorenzo were the exact same incidents. Rossi and marc should have gotten penalized. Either give up the position or a time penalty. I dont blame rossi for whatever happened at sepang.. Marc ran wide let lorenzo thru without a battle and when rossi wanted to pass him he was fighting back for dear life. He got what he deserved. You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.
 
Haha. The rossi/gibernau and marc/lorenzo were the exact same incidents. Rossi and marc should have gotten penalized. Either give up the position or a time penalty. I dont blame rossi for whatever happened at sepang.. Marc ran wide let lorenzo thru without a battle and when rossi wanted to pass him he was fighting back for dear life. He got what he deserved. You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.

So everyone should have let Mick Doohan finish second in the last 2 races of 1993? None of this kind of nonsense was spoken then, by Mick or his fans, and Mick actually was easily faster than those guys if not injured. He was injured though, his problem, just as VR's lack of pace was no-one else's problem but his.

Those late season 2015 "Rossi Rules" were absolute stuff and nonsense, no more than a convenient overnight invention to cover his particular situation of not being fast enough at the end of that season. Do you think everyone wasn't trying to beat Lorenzo when Rossi gained his points lead earlier in the season? And MM crashed out of 6 races in 2015 pushing too hard early in races when his bike tended to be skittish.
 
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