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imunderandoverit said:

You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.

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Agree, ....... Jack Miller is a turkey.

True story, Abraham Lincoln was the president to declare the Thanksgiving holiday in the US. He was the first president to start the tradition of issuing a presidential pardon on a turkey every year for the holiday. The very first ever turkey pardoned was a turkey named "Jack". I don't know where you could look up this useless but true trivia. But it's true, and you reminded me of this very lucky turkey. Did you also know turkeys are considered very dumb?


Personally, I'd like to pull Jack aside and give him an earful. I was none to pleased to see him racing VR for positions at the Sausage Cockring. ....... Miller doesn't know Jack .... about the unspoken rules of racing. You could say, he doesn't know Jack ..... He's just a jive turkey.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Turkeys may be dumb, but they don't .... around bruh.



Could you imagine dealing with that .... all the time, a group of turkeys trying to attack you as you work?

JPSLotus said:

Turkeys may be dumb, but they don't .... around bruh.



Could you imagine dealing with that .... all the time, a group of turkeys trying to attack you as you work?

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Totally bizarre behavior. I get tons of wild ones in my yard and never seen aggressive behavior like that. Can't shoot 'em for dinner. Too tough.

Keshav said:

Totally bizarre behavior. I get tons of wild ones in my yard and never seen aggressive behavior like that. Can't shoot 'em for dinner. Too tough.

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You might get the aggressive behavior if you went up to them out there.

imunderandoverit said:

Haha. The rossi/gibernau and marc/lorenzo were the exact same incidents. Rossi and marc should have gotten penalized. Either give up the position or a time penalty. I dont blame rossi for whatever happened at sepang.. Marc ran wide let lorenzo thru without a battle and when rossi wanted to pass him he was fighting back for dear life. He got what he deserved. You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.

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How ,do you go about not interfering with a title fight when you are on the same track and generally faster than one of the protagonist. Are you supposed to just clear the way and let the top 2 decide the finishing order and find someone to battle for the final podium spot. Just curious, what do you think Marquez cost Rossi in the last 3 races last year. In Philip Island, he did Rossi a favor by overtaking Lorenzo on the last lap while Rossi was being beaten by Ianonne for 3rd. At Sepang, Rossi got to keep 16 points gained illegally when if he had just raced like a sane being, he would have scored 13, so he actually benefitted from his illegal move. At Valencia, Rossi finished 4th which was the best he was going to do as he never had close to the pace of the top 3 the entire weekend. His starting at the rear of the field had no bearing on the championship. Remember before you start whining, Rossi actually qualified 12th for that race. Even with no penalty, he is finishing 4th. So tell me, what did Marquez do that cost Rossi anything

Keshav said:

Totally bizarre behavior. I get tons of wild ones in my yard and never seen aggressive behavior like that. Can't shoot 'em for dinner. Too tough.

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You are probably old enough to remember this

povol said:

How ,do you go about not interfering with a title fight when you are on the same track...

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Well...we could ask Daniboy Petrucci when he went Felix Baumgartner at Valencia.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

I actually was expecting Petrucci to yield to Rossi early on at the Sachsenring. I was actually shocked that he even dared to overtake Rossi after how he rode straight out of the entrance gates to Valencia to let Rossi by in November.

Honest question, did any of you who claimed Rossi was interfered with by MM last year feel the same way when Toni Elias and Troy Bayliss had the audacity to win two races at the end of the 2006 season? If both riders had pulled over for Rossi, that would have given him the 6 points to clinch the title. The absolute audacity that someone else should try to achieve a win and suck valuable points away from VR! I demand to know why Ducati didn't put out a pit board notification to Bayliss letting him know that as a wild card entry, he should not be racing for any position lest it .... up the title battle. Back of the grid is the only worthy finishing place Troy.

imunderandoverit said:

He got what he deserved. You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.

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I know it's been done to death but I couldn't resist, how friggin hypocritical you boppers are. Racing is racing, you race a rider whether he is Rossi or Bradl. If you had ever raced at a competitive level you'd know that's how it works. As Senna said.. "If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver"

JPSLotus said:

Honest question, did any of you who claimed Rossi was interfered with by MM last year feel the same way when Toni Elias and Troy Bayliss had the audacity to win two races at the end of the 2006 season? If both riders had pulled over for Rossi, that would have given him the 6 points to clinch the title. The absolute audacity that someone else should try to achieve a win and suck valuable points away from VR! I demand to know why Ducati didn't put out a pit board notification to Bayliss letting him know that as a wild card entry, he should not be racing for any position lest it .... up the title battle. Back of the grid is the only worthy finishing place Troy.

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Troy wouldn't pull over for no one he's a hard ........ His finale with Edwards at Imola (2002) was a brilliant example of hard but fair racing.

As for Toni he is too thick to understand. No one could hurt him anyway, he is to little, it would be like punching a kid.

Any one who think MM was out of order last year at Sepang is not only blind but a ....... .....

JPSLotus said:

Honest question, did any of you who claimed Rossi was interfered with by MM last year feel the same way when Toni Elias and Troy Bayliss had the audacity to win two races at the end of the 2006 season? If both riders had pulled over for Rossi, that would have given him the 6 points to clinch the title. The absolute audacity that someone else should try to achieve a win and suck valuable points away from VR! I demand to know why Ducati didn't put out a pit board notification to Bayliss letting him know that as a wild card entry, he should not be racing for any position lest it .... up the title battle. Back of the grid is the only worthy finishing place Troy.

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Troy wasn't finishing behind anyone on that day even if Rossi hadn't fallen and Nicky had to win.

Daniboy said:

Troy wasn't finishing behind anyone on that day even if Rossi hadn't fallen and Nicky had to win.

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Disagree, Hayden showed more pace than either Ducati right up till Rossi crashed, then he dropped off a 1/2 second and more just to preserve position he needed. Had Nicky needed to win that race, he had the pace to do it.

povol said:

Disagree, Hayden showed more pace than either Ducati right up till Rossi crashed, then he dropped off a 1/2 second and more just to preserve position he needed. Had Nicky needed to win that race, he had the pace to do it.

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I was there that day, I'm not sure he would have beat Troy but he would have come second and still beat that .... Rossi cos his race pace was .... up to that point. Hayden was on one.

Rossi bottled it, Hayden didn't

Richy56 said:

Troy wouldn't pull over for no one he's a hard ........ His finale with Edwards at Imola (2002) was a brilliant example of hard but fair racing.

As for Toni he is too thick to understand. No one could hurt him anyway, he is to little, it would be like punching a kid.

Any one who think MM was out of order last year at Sepang is not only blind but a ....... .....

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Agreed.

Point I am making is more that the whining only came about because of Rossi's nutty conspiracy theory press conference that was only missing him being wrapped in tin foil. No one ever uttered a word about championship leaders being raced in years past until Rossi created a .... storm over it. Which serves only as further proof that his fanbase at large is dumber than a sack of rocks that they are so easily swayed by his rantings. Slight side note, given all of Kropo's comments to us here about our "tin foil" conspiracies, he didn't dare call Rossi's ranting for one of the worst tin foil conspiracies ever seen, and from a top rider no less! No one did. Maybe had the media called it out, it would have done wonders.

The general rule of thumb was for backmarkers to get the .... out of the way of leaders of the race...and even more so when the leaders are in the middle of a battle of championship implications. But when you are battling for P3 in the race, whether you are a title contender or not, you have no expectation of other riders backing down. That would be an absolute ....... disgrace to do it...and all of the riders who moved out of Rossi's way at Valencia were spineless.

povol said:

You are probably old enough to remember this

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Great show. Great cast. Rich Sanders was one of the great straightmen of his time. Thanks.

imunderandoverit said:

You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.

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Here we go again but .............. pot/kettle.

2010 anyone?

Besides, at which point is a championship only between two riders?

Should people move out of the way from race 2 onwards based upon their championship positions?

Better yet, what say after the first race, all riders who fail to score points are no longer allowed to compete/race lest they take points from others who are higher than they are in the title?

As Mick Doohan said .............. to expect someone to get out of your way is ........

As Anthony West said '.... Rossi, I am here for myself' (a tweet admittedly deleted due to the subsequent fandom pressures applied)

Sure there were the usual sycophants (CEii, Brookes etc) but I have no doubt that thoughts would be different for these riders were positions different.

JPSLotus said:

Honest question, did any of you who claimed Rossi was interfered with by MM last year feel the same way when Toni Elias and Troy Bayliss had the audacity to win two races at the end of the 2006 season? If both riders had pulled over for Rossi, that would have given him the 6 points to clinch the title. The absolute audacity that someone else should try to achieve a win and suck valuable points away from VR! I demand to know why Ducati didn't put out a pit board notification to Bayliss letting him know that as a wild card entry, he should not be racing for any position lest it .... up the title battle. Back of the grid is the only worthy finishing place Troy.

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That is actually a damn good point JPS.

Where was the outcry back in 2006?

My suspicion is that it all has more to do with the number 10 than anything that actually occurred

imunderandoverit said:

I dont blame rossi for whatever happened at sepang.. Marc ran wide let lorenzo thru without a battle and when rossi wanted to pass him he was fighting back for dear life. He got what he deserved. You dont interfere in a title fight if u aint in it.

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I don't blame Marquez for whatever happened at Sepang. Rossi "let Lorenzo thru without a battle". In fact with barely a whimper, his actual title rival. And yet Rossi claims he had the better pace? No, he was cruising to the title.

But then when Marquez passed him "he was fighting back for dear life". He should have saved that fight for Lorenzo. But he couldn't, wouldn't didn't, so he got what he deserved. A true champ would have gone and seized the title racing from the front, not dawldling in 4th expecting rivals to let him thru. Which is why 2015 has the name Lorenzo on the trophy rather than Rossi

povol said:

Disagree, Hayden showed more pace than either Ducati right up till Rossi crashed, then he dropped off a 1/2 second and more just to preserve position he needed. Had Nicky needed to win that race, he had the pace to do it.

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I tend to agree Nicky could have contended for the win if it had been necessary in that race. However I think the point being made was that Bayliss and Rossi's mate Capirossi were always going as hard as they could for a Ducati 1-2, regardless of the points situation in the title race, and no-one expected otherwise.

I was going for Lorenzo last year, although I was happy prior to the late season events to give Rossi full credit had he won, but became annoyed with Rossi even before the Sepang press conference with the talk of him questioning Pedrosa and possibly Iannone as to why they had raced him. As I said, I recall Mick Doohan coming back for those 2 races in 1993 when he had to be helped to even get on his bike and asking for no favours, and he had dominant pace that year before his injury. I fail to see how Rossi being too slow because he was too slow made his moral position superior to Doohan who was too slow because he was injured. Even Rossi's stature in the sport doesn't entitle him to suspend racing for the end of season races in favour of a coronation parade.

Again your point about the ignorance of the sport among a significant element of Rossi fans is validated The whole point of Jerez 2005 was that it also wasn't a racing move, although at least an attempt to pass if by nefarious means which the Sepang incident wasn't. A knowledgeable Rossi afflicionado in J4rn0 actually put up a thread in which he attributed the end of season brouhaha to leniency shown to VR and MM in the past, not that MM did anything wrong in any of the last 3 races of 2015 imo, and the Jerez 2005 pass/punt is a prime example, as was MM's similar move at Jerez 2013 for me.

michaelm said:

Even Rossi's stature in the sport doesn't entitle him to suspend racing for the end of season races in favour of a coronation parade.

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Rossi thought it was the last stage of the TDF