Formula 1 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a foolish oversight on my part! I forgot that engines last two races, so a failiure in the second of those incurs no penalty, cheers man. Although im under the impression Kimi has used his free engine change.

Even a failure in the in first race doesn't oblige you to use the engine, reasoning behind is that if you're engine is destroyed you obviously cannot use it in the 2nd race.

Remember the season 2 race engine rule was introduced Honda pulled into pits in the last lap of the first race with both perfectly healthy cars, because they were outside the points so they got new engines in the next race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 27 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even a failure in the in first race doesn't oblige you to use the engine, reasoning behind is that if you're engine is destroyed you obviously cannot use it in the 2nd race.

Remember the season 2 race engine rule was introduced Honda pulled into pits in the last lap of the first race with both perfectly healthy cars, because they were outside the points so they got new engines in the next race.

That sounds familiar, but i can't understand the point in the engine rule if there is no penalty for changing an engine or having a failiure.

Since Senna's age we (Brazilian) don't know what is a F1 championship tittle anymore, we don't know what is a happy F1 Sunday morning anymore. Even with Massa's wins, it is not the same funny. I remember like yesterday, I was 7 or 8 years old and sunday's morning was time to be happy and watch Senna wins. That was incredible for a kid, Senna really did a Sunday happier around here. When he died, the whole country got very choked for a month or 2. It was really hard to believe, it was like a part of us got lost, a part of our sunday was gone. You could see the sorrow and sadness in every people's face, and that for a kid was a very ...... thing, I think I'll never forget that sunday, unfortunately. F1 lost funny like falling from the sky to the ground, in a second. Since this tragedy, we hope for a new Senna.

Although I realize Massa is a great driver, I think we won't have a new Senna, at least for a long, very long time. F1 is not the same and I think won't be anymore. But, a new tittle, for sure, will be welcomed. And no, Bruno Senna isn't the new Senna.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Aug 27 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since Senna's age we (Brazilian) don't know what is a F1 championship tittle anymore, we don't know what is a happy F1 Sunday morning anymore. Even with Massa's wins, it is not the same funny. I remember like yesterday, I was 7 or 8 years old and sunday's morning was time to be happy and watch Senna wins. That was incredible for a kid, Senna really did a Sunday happier around here. When he died, the whole country got very choked for a month or 2. It was really hard to believe, it was like a part of us got lost, a part of our sunday was gone. You could see the sorrow and sadness in every people's face, and that for a kid was a very ...... thing, I think I'll never forget that sunday, unfortunately. F1 lost funny like falling from the sky to the ground, in a second. Since this tragedy, we hope for a new Senna.

Although I realize Massa is a great driver, I think we won't have a new Senna, at least for a long, very long time. F1 is not the same and I think won't be anymore. But, a new tittle, for sure, will be welcomed. And no, Bruno Senna isn't the new Senna.

gui22a.... yes Senna was a one of a kind driver. He is different from racers nowadays, not like these racers who carry themselves and pretend to be tough guys. Senna was a racer with alot of passion and was not afraid to show his true emotions and cry. You should be very proud of him because he's Brazilian like you. I know that Bruno Senna will not be like his uncle... but i think Bruno has potential to become a great racer. Yes.., Felipe Massa is no way like Ayrton Senna, he doesn't have the spirit like Aryton.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gui22a @ Aug 28 2008, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Since Senna's age we (Brazilian) don't know what is a F1 championship tittle anymore, we don't know what is a happy F1 Sunday morning anymore. Even with Massa's wins, it is not the same funny. I remember like yesterday, I was 7 or 8 years old and sunday's morning was time to be happy and watch Senna wins. That was incredible for a kid, Senna really did a Sunday happier around here. When he died, the whole country got very choked for a month or 2. It was really hard to believe, it was like a part of us got lost, a part of our sunday was gone. You could see the sorrow and sadness in every people's face, and that for a kid was a very ...... thing, I think I'll never forget that sunday, unfortunately. F1 lost funny like falling from the sky to the ground, in a second. Since this tragedy, we hope for a new Senna.

Although I realize Massa is a great driver, I think we won't have a new Senna, at least for a long, very long time. F1 is not the same and I think won't be anymore. But, a new tittle, for sure, will be welcomed. And no, Bruno Senna isn't the new Senna.
Massa is no Senna, true!! But I'm sure he makes the Brazilian people proud. Like you said, after Senna, Brazil never won the title. Maybe Massa can turn it around, he has the car, and he has the skills, so it seems. But you're right, he's no Senna, nobody is. And even Bruno can't come close to replacing his uncle. That's ok though. We can't possibly expect him to. I've been watching him in the GP2 series. He's doing an ok job, not great I think, but definitely good enough. He has a chance to win the title, but it will be hard. If he wins it this season, he might get a F1 seat for the 09 season. That would be nice, but..there will be a huge amount of pressure on his shoulders. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the future has in store for us.

I'm a Raikkonen fan, but when Bruno enters F1 I hope he does well

We'll see how good Senna nephew is. Cause for sure he's gonna be in F1 really soon, his surname will open him the doors of many teams.

Seems silly season is at full stride in F1 also. Heard all sorts of rumours. Kubica to Ferrari in 2010?? Senna to Williams or McLaren, Grosjean or Filippi to Renault. Heidfeld out of BMW ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 28 2008, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We'll see how good Senna nephew is. Cause for sure he's gonna be in F1 really soon, his surname will open him the doors of many teams.

Seems silly season is at full stride in F1 also. Heard all sorts of rumours. Kubica to Ferrari in 2010?? Senna to Williams or McLaren, Grosjean or Filippi to Renault. Heidfeld out of BMW ...

This is a list of racers who needs to get out of F1.

1) Rubens Barrichello
2) Giancarlo Fisichella
3) Adrian Sutil
4) Jarno Trulli
5) Kazuki Nakajima
6) Heikki Kovalainen
7) Nick Heidfeld

Bring back Takuma Sato for next year. And bring in Bruno Senna.

As a driver I believe we will see other Senna's and that we have already seen people considerably greater. However the impact Senna had on his sport and his country is unlikely to be repeated as drivers are no longer able to use PR to create such a legend for themselves as Senna did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 28 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As a driver I believe we will see other Senna's and that we have already seen people considerably greater. However the impact Senna had on his sport and his country is unlikely to be repeated as drivers are no longer able to use PR to create such a legend for themselves as Senna did.

Oh i see we have a Senna hater here. Let me take a wild guess, your favorite racer is either Alain Prost or Michael Schumacher.....right? Figures. There is a reason why alot of people think Senna is one of the best if not the best racer ever. The guy is on a different level than every racer who he ever raced against. Senna was not only a great racer, but he was also a person with a good heart. Donated millions for the needy children of Brazil, some of the money given away to charity he didn't even let his own family members know about, probably in fear of his family maybe thinking he donated too much. And here you are saying he was able to use PR to create this status for himself? give me a break man, Senna was a man with integrity.... I don't think he would set out to project this larger than life image for himself, the guy is just who he is, brutally honest and that is why people are intimidated by him.... and probably reasons why he is so hated on by people like you, because he dare to say and do things people like you wouldn't have the balls to say and do. Give the man his due and stop hating on him, whether you like him or not, you can't pretend and lie to yourself and convince yourself that he's not a great racer.... because inside your mind I'm sure you think he is the greatest.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 28 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i see we have a Senna hater here. Let me take a wild guess, your favorite racer is either Alain Prost or Michael Schumacher.....right? Figures. There is a reason why alot of people think Senna is one of the best if not the best racer ever. The guy is on a different level than every racer who he ever raced against. Senna was not only a great racer, but he was also a person with a good heart. Donated millions for the needy children of Brazil, some of the money given away to charity he didn't even let his own family members know about, probably in fear of his family maybe thinking he donated too much. And here you are saying he was able to use PR to create this status for himself? give me a break man, Senna was a man with integrity.... I don't think he would set out to project this larger than life image for himself, the guy is just who he is, brutally honest and that is why people are intimidated by him.... and probably reasons why he is so hated on by people like you, because he dare to say and do things people like you wouldn't have the balls to say and do. Give the man his due and stop hating on him, whether you like him or not, you can't pretend and lie to yourself and convince yourself that he's not a great racer.... because inside your mind I'm sure you think he is the greatest.

Impressive post.

Not even a word in addition. Tom, a big sorry, but you lost a great chance of keeping quite.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 29 2008, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i see we have a Senna hater here. Let me take a wild guess, your favorite racer is either Alain Prost or Michael Schumacher.....right? Figures. There is a reason why alot of people think Senna is one of the best if not the best racer ever. The guy is on a different level than every racer who he ever raced against. Senna was not only a great racer, but he was also a person with a good heart. Donated millions for the needy children of Brazil, some of the money given away to charity he didn't even let his own family members know about, probably in fear of his family maybe thinking he donated too much. And here you are saying he was able to use PR to create this status for himself? give me a break man, Senna was a man with integrity.... I don't think he would set out to project this larger than life image for himself, the guy is just who he is, brutally honest and that is why people are intimidated by him.... and probably reasons why he is so hated on by people like you, because he dare to say and do things people like you wouldn't have the balls to say and do. Give the man his due and stop hating on him, whether you like him or not, you can't pretend and lie to yourself and convince yourself that he's not a great racer.... because inside your mind I'm sure you think he is the greatest.

I always like and have a great respect for Senna , M Schumacher and other F1 legend. But Senna was a special person but unfortunately I was still too young when Senna was still racing and suddenly bang he was gone. He could have done many things if he is still around.

For Brazilian and as a matter of facts, F1 racing, he was a special person and cannot be replaced by any of today F1 drivers.

This Ayrton Senna highlight is pretty good.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 28 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is a list of racers who needs to get out of F1.

1) Rubens Barrichello
2) Giancarlo Fisichella
3) Adrian Sutil
4) Jarno Trulli
5) Kazuki Nakajima
6) Heikki Kovalainen
7) Nick Heidfeld

Bring back Takuma Sato for next year. And bring in Bruno Senna.

1) Rubens is so far ahead Button in the standings with the same car yet you put him and not Jenson in the list??

2) Fisi has done much better than Sutil, and I was impressed by Sutil last season. I think he deserves another chance.

3) Sutil, yeah maybe he should go, he had his chance.

4) Jarno has been doing so much better than Glock!! He totally deserves to stay (and Toyota has renewed already cause it was evident he was doing a great job)

5) Nakajima is a rookie, he's not done well, but I guess you need to give them time specially if they are in a poor team like Williams who cannot test as much as the others and don't have a good simulator like McLaren.

6) Heikki did well last season, this season he chose to be Hamilton's lapdog, wont get any respect from me for doing that, but now we don't know how good he is cause he will not be allowed to be any better than Lewis. Getting rid of him is useless, Ron will find another lapdog to substitute him.

7)Heidfeld has been quite crap compared to Kubica. He doesn't deserve such a good car, so maybe not kicked out of F1 but he should end up in a worse team.

I think Bourdais has been quite crap, at least as much as any of those you named.

And I don't know if you didn't mention Coulthard because he already announced his retirement or because you're British, but he's been easily the worse driver on the grid this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 29 2008, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i see we have a Senna hater here. Let me take a wild guess, your favorite racer is either Alain Prost or Michael Schumacher.....right? Figures. There is a reason why alot of people think Senna is one of the best if not the best racer ever. The guy is on a different level than every racer who he ever raced against. Senna was not only a great racer, but he was also a person with a good heart. Donated millions for the needy children of Brazil, some of the money given away to charity he didn't even let his own family members know about, probably in fear of his family maybe thinking he donated too much. And here you are saying he was able to use PR to create this status for himself? give me a break man, Senna was a man with integrity.... I don't think he would set out to project this larger than life image for himself, the guy is just who he is, brutally honest and that is why people are intimidated by him.... and probably reasons why he is so hated on by people like you, because he dare to say and do things people like you wouldn't have the balls to say and do. Give the man his due and stop hating on him, whether you like him or not, you can't pretend and lie to yourself and convince yourself that he's not a great racer.... because inside your mind I'm sure you think he is the greatest.

What the hell are you talking about?

firstly i don't hate Senna at all. Secondly I make no judgements about him as a human being, most people who knew him say he was a lovely man with a kind heart. thirdly, my opinions of him as a racer are based on what he achieved on the track rather than the things he said and did off of it, if you want to discuss this further then we can. Lastly, I think his racing persona was an act of genius, he is a legend of the sport and always will be, much respect and credit goes to him for doing that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 29 2008, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i see we have a Senna hater here. Let me take a wild guess, your favorite racer is either Alain Prost or Michael Schumacher.....right? Figures. There is a reason why alot of people think Senna is one of the best if not the best racer ever. The guy is on a different level than every racer who he ever raced against. Senna was not only a great racer, but he was also a person with a good heart. Donated millions for the needy children of Brazil, some of the money given away to charity he didn't even let his own family members know about, probably in fear of his family maybe thinking he donated too much. And here you are saying he was able to use PR to create this status for himself? give me a break man, Senna was a man with integrity.... I don't think he would set out to project this larger than life image for himself, the guy is just who he is, brutally honest and that is why people are intimidated by him.... and probably reasons why he is so hated on by people like you, because he dare to say and do things people like you wouldn't have the balls to say and do. Give the man his due and stop hating on him, whether you like him or not, you can't pretend and lie to yourself and convince yourself that he's not a great racer.... because inside your mind I'm sure you think he is the greatest.
What made you say/think Tom hates Senna, and where did he tell you he considered Senna not a ''great driver''????

What can we say about Senna..there's so much to say, but to keep it short: he WAS a GREAT driver, a TRUE winner, and someone who NEVER gave up. Above all, he made the Brazilian people proud. He's a legend, and not just because he died, because I know a lot of people say his death made him bigger or better or whatever. It doesn't matter how you look at it, the simple fact is..he's a 3 time F1 champ, and there was something unique about him. Hadn't he died in 94, he would have won more titles I'm sure, but it wasn't meant to be. He's ONE of the best ever, that's all we can say, we can't say he was the best..that's just too hard to judge.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 28 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is a list of racers who needs to get out of F1.

1) Rubens Barrichello
2) Giancarlo Fisichella
3) Adrian Sutil
4) Jarno Trulli
5) Kazuki Nakajima
6) Heikki Kovalainen
7) Nick Heidfeld

Bring back Takuma Sato for next year. And bring in Bruno Senna.
I don't think Heikki and Nick should be on that list. Heikki is a very good driver, but he has been unlucky this season. Not saying that without that he would have beaten Lewis easily, because we all know LH is just an amazing driver. I think Heikki can do better, but maybe he needs to go to a team where he doesn't need to play 2nd fiddle. McLaren rather sees Lewis win, like they did last season.

Nick disappointed me this season, but so have other drivers (Kimi for example). I don't think it's time for Nick to leave. If he performs like this next season, then maybe he should go indeed. I always rated him high, but ever since Kubica became his teammate, he couldn't really do something..but I do have to say that Robert is a very talented driver!!

People like Fisi, Barri and Trulli won't be around much longer, but it has to be said that Rubens is actually doing a pretty good job compared to Jense. But then again, maybe Jense just isn't that good..?? Trulli is doing ok as well, but I can't see him staying much longer either.

I'm off to belgium, catch you on the flipside

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 4 2008, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm off to belgium, catch you on the flipside


wickedly nice, post some piccies and have fun!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 3 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm off to belgium, catch you on the flipside

I'm jealous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Sep 4 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm jealous.

who isn't?

sigh