fkn midget Pedro

Talpa said:

In saying this, I'm now willing to go out on a limb and say that leaving Ducati could prove to be a mistake for CS. The passion in that garage is almost unsurpassed, and their ability to react to situations for improvement is now right there with the Japanese-with a lot less resources........Aragon was a big surprise.

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Even after you justified the win by saying:

Talpa said:

The passion in that garage is almost unsurpassed,and their ability to react to situations for improvement is now right there with the Japanese-with a lot less resources.......

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Talpa said:

In saying this, I'm now willing to go out on a limb and say that leaving Ducati could prove to be a mistake for CS. The passion in that garage is almost unsurpassed, and their ability to react to situations for improvement is now right there with the Japanese-with a lot less resources........Aragon was a big surprise.



Rossi will be very hard to beat on that bike next year, as Yamaha are already showing serious signs of weakness, Honda will be strong but selfish as always, and Ducati will have Rossi and Hayden most likely sharing not only data but similar physical dimensions, adding to this they'll have a whole country in support!!

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I guess you are hoping that this is true of ducati now that your boy is going there anyway . I agree that they are passionate and are capable of quickly reacting. Their reaction and passion have been known to be wrongly focused on occasion, including prior to stoner, but I guess if anyone can guide them along the right paths it is valentino, with or without jb but possibly even more so with him. They are likely to have adequate financial resources also.



I am not sure stoner had much choice after ducati had agressively pursued lorenzo, and then rossi , not that I necessarily think it was unreasonable of ducati to do this, and he and rossi together was never going to happen, particularly not as dual number 1 riders. I think there are plenty who would like to be on the factory honda next year, and from guareschi's reaction to his win at aragon a return to ducati post-rossi would not seem to be out of the question in any case.

michaelm said:

I guess you are hoping that this is true of ducati now that your boy is going there anyway

. I agree that they are passionate and are capable of quickly reacting. Their reaction and passion have been known to be wrongly focused on occasion, including prior to stoner, but I guess if anyone can guide them along the right paths it is valentino, with or without jb but possibly even more so with him. They are likely to have adequate financial resources also.



I am not sure stoner had much choice after ducati had agressively pursued lorenzo, and then rossi , not that I necessarily think it was unreasonable of ducati to do this, and he and rossi together was never going to happen, particularly not as dual number 1 riders. I think there are plenty who would like to be on the factory honda next year, and from guareschi's reaction to his win at aragon a return to ducati post-rossi would not seem to be out of the question in any case.

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Michael, Michael, Michael....please stop with the conservative, glass half empty stuff. Stoner announced very early that he was going to HRC. IMO he signed because of the criticism of the Marlboro Man/chasing of Lorenzo business - nothing to do with Rossi (and a huge paycheck, plus almost unlimited resources to play with versus Ducati). By the time he'd decided to sign, Rossi hadn't yet broken his leg - hence his "it's him or me" ultimatum had yet to backfire (IMO, but I think it's a more than reasonable assumption. In other words, Stoner had a choice. Even after we all knew he was leaving Guareschi(?) was saying that the first priority was to sign Stoner.



Rossi was the guy backed into a corner here. And funnily enough, it was he who did it to himself. If Stoner stays at Ducati, I think there's no way Rossi goes there too. Getting beat by two young guys on equal equipment, two years in a row, plays havoc with your rep - not to mention your bank balance.



Say it with me, quietly.... "Stoner is better than Rossi..."



Feels good, doesn't it?

notabikerther4useless said:

Michael, Michael, Michael....please stop with the conservative, glass half empty stuff. Stoner announced very early that he was going to HRC. IMO he signed because of the criticism of the Marlboro Man/chasing of Lorenzo business - nothing to do with Rossi (and a huge paycheck, plus almost unlimited resources to play with versus Ducati). By the time he'd decided to sign, Rossi hadn't yet broken his leg - hence his "it's him or me" ultimatum had yet to backfire (IMO, but I think it's a more than reasonable assumption. In other words, Stoner had a choice. Even after we all knew he was leaving Guareschi(?) was saying that the first priority was to sign Stoner.



Rossi was the guy backed into a corner here. And funnily enough, it was he who did it to himself. If Stoner stays at Ducati, I think there's no way Rossi goes there too. Getting beat by two young guys on equal equipment, two years in a row, plays havoc with your rep - not to mention your bank balance.



Say it with me, quietly.... "Stoner is better than Rossi..."



Feels good, doesn't it?

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I am a patient man and am quite prepared to wait for stoner to again perform as he did in 2007 before making further claims.



I am well aware that stoner had pre-existing interest from hrc, with a honda honcho saying outright at the start of 2009 that they would like to sign casey or valentino, having presumably given up on dani +/- puig at that stage. I think stoner probably made his decision when ducati, or marlboro anyway, were less than supportive during his travails last year, and was reinforced when they pursued lorenzo (with no premier class title) offering him much more money. I have contempt for marlboro, but ducati can be forgiven for having some doubts about when and in what shape stoner would return, and his absence demonstrated they had no plan b.



The situation at the moment though is that dani and hrc are starting to do rather well without casey; I hope and to some extent expect that he will get on the honda post-valencia and smoke dani and everyone else, but imo it is bad karma to be overly presumptuous.

notabikerther4useless said:

Say it with me, quietly.... "Stoner is better than Rossi..."



Feels good, doesn't it?

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Not even the most potent purple heads can give one a halucination large enough to believe this......

notabikerther4useless said:

Say it with me, quietly.... "Stoner is better than Rossi..."



Feels good, doesn't it?

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When Stoner wins 9 World Championships (or 7 in motogp to be fair). Then I'll agree with you. But that will never happen. When Rossi is gone, Lorenzo will be the man to beat, not stoner. (IMO)

michaelm said:

I am a patient man and am quite prepared to wait for stoner to again perform as he did in 2007 before making further claims.



I am well aware that stoner had pre-existing interest from hrc, with a honda honcho saying outright at the start of 2009 that they would like to sign casey or valentino, having presumably given up on dani +/- puig at that stage. I think stoner probably made his decision when ducati, or marlboro anyway, were less than supportive during his travails last year, and was reinforced when they pursued lorenzo (with no premier class title) offering him much more money. I have contempt for marlboro, but ducati can be forgiven for having some doubts about when and in what shape stoner would return, and his absence demonstrated they had no plan b.



The situation at the moment though is that dani and hrc are starting to do rather well without casey; I hope and to some extent expect that he will get on the honda post-valencia and smoke dani and everyone else, but imo it is bad karma to be overly presumptuous.

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No worries mate, I get where you're coming from. I cringe whenever my brother says to me something like, "Webber's gonna win this!" Having said that, I think there's plenty of evidence to support my views, so karma be damned!

Talpa said:

Not even the most potent purple heads can give one a halucination large enough to believe this......

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Who do you think has finished in front of the other more times than not, since they both got factory rides? I'll give you a hint - it's not Rossi. Okay, time's up.....worked it out yet?

Ngads said:

When Stoner wins 9 World Championships (or 7 in motogp to be fair). Then I'll agree with you. But that will never happen. When Rossi is gone, Lorenzo will be the man to beat, not stoner. (IMO)

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We're not talking about who was best in 2004. Please see my reply to Talpa, above.



Anyway, Why are we talking 'bout Stoner, this is a Pedro thread, isn't it?

Ngads said:

When Stoner wins 9 World Championships (or 7 in motogp to be fair). Then I'll agree with you. But that will never happen. When Rossi is gone, Lorenzo will be the man to beat, not stoner. (IMO)

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If there is one stupid argument that never ends its this. A claim that Stoner is better than Rossi is legitimate in the context of current form, or this season. You don't have to agree but it can be rationalised. Nobody would be foolish enough to deny that Rossi's past is nowhere near matched by any recent or current rider, but that does not make him indesputably the best at any given moment. He has lost races, and he has lost titles (as he currently is).

So, on topic, Pedro's alright by my estimation. As someone said earlier, the amount of heat he took for his "crimes" was over the top. Besides, anyone who doesn't pretend to be a robot/ astronaut/ old chook/ robotic astronaut suffering diarrhoea........



Let's just say, I'm more a fan of the Pedro celebration than a few others I've seen.

Tom said:

If there is one stupid argument that never ends its this. A claim that Stoner is better than Rossi is legitimate in the context of current form, or this season. You don't have to agree but it can be rationalised. Nobody would be foolish enough to deny that Rossi's past is nowhere near matched by any recent or current rider, but that does not make him indesputably the best at any given moment. He has lost races, and he has lost titles (as he currently is).

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We're not talking about who was best in 2004. Please see my reply to Talpa, above.





Agreed. If we're talking about the present...as in this season, as of last race. Stoner is doing better than Rossi. I was of course referencing to the whole picture.



But yeh on topic..like I said b4. Pedrosa as a human being is improving IMO.

I spent many minutes writing a cutting, bitchy reply.....and now I look and it seems it's been erased. Count yourself lucky, Ngads, because I was about to compare the number of 800cc wins by riders, and a comparison to their team-mates.

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I spent many minutes writing a cutting, bitchy reply.....and now I look and it seems it's been erased. Count yourself lucky, Ngads, because I was about to compare the number of 800cc wins by riders, and a comparison to their team-mates.

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Chill man..read my previous post..i just agreed that, in the present, like as in right now with the past seasons not included..yes the present stoner is better than the present rossi.

I must say my girlfriend recently switched her allegiance from Spies to Dani, this has made me realise its was never a sexual thing with Spies, Thank God.



Having a soft soft for Dani is like having a preference for chicken over Grilled Salmon.

Dani reminds me of Pete Sampras: no personality.



A personality that can only be compared to water: absolutely no taste. I hoping she sticks with water, whist I continue drinking sparkling ( Stoney) water.

halfpint said:

I take it Mr Machine you do not like Pedrosa.

And to be fair even a shetland pony can sit higher than Pedrosa can sit so its not hard really

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Allow me to go off topic a bit, can your please post a larger version of your profile avatar, is she realy doing what i think she is or ....

notabikerther4useless said:

Who do you think has finished in front of the other more times than not, since they both got factory rides? I'll give you a hint - it's not Rossi. Okay, time's up.....worked it out yet?

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Tosser.......





just to clarify for you numb nuts. And we need to include 2006, as it was the year they were riding real bikes and the factory machines weren't much better than the satellite, if at all-especially if the badge read Honda..... and it is no coincidence that 2006 was the last year we saw a satellite machine win a race.



VR since Stoner has been around



25 wins

53 podiums



Stoner in Motogp



21 wins

40 Podiums



Half of Stoner wins in the the past 3 seasons came in 2007.........

So lets compare whenn they have both been running the same rubber, as we know from KRJR recently how important this is.



Since both being on BS



Rossi



16 wins

35 podiums



Stoner



11 wins

25 podiums







remove 2006 and Stoner has a single win more.........and less podiums, combine this with 8 less world titles (1 less in the 800 era), no lower class titles, 76 less wins overall.....should I go on, how about Podiums- Stoner has 109 less podiums than Rossi......lets talk about Pedrosa......oh he also beat Stoner in 2003 in 125cc and in 2005 in 250cc, he also beat Stoner in the 2009 title race, and will surely this year as well.



So when you say 'Stoner is better than Rossi' , then I suggest you really check all the facts and figures, which need to seriously back you up with such a sweeping statement, as this argument is ridiculously futile.

As much as I don't like Stoner Talpa, his story is still to be finished. I believe the telling stat is once they were on the same rubber. When comparing the two, I think more telling was Laguna Seca 2008 where Rossi was on the same rubber and clearly slower but out raced Stoner.



Stoner is bloody fast, I give him that. I also think that is his downfall at times - he ends up riding beyond the limits of the bike he is on at times. Rossi I believe rides within himself but he did crash a lot in his first year in MotoGP. Stoner still has a lot of years ahead of him and the ball is in his court for the next move. He has to follow up on his win in 2007 a number of times to start to challenge Valentino career wise. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying that he has to achieve a lot to do it and we'll only know after a few years. Stoner needs to learn to bring it home the majority of times where the bike isn't working perfectly.

cryptmod said:

I must say my girlfriend recently switched her allegiance from Spies to Dani, this has made me realise its was never a sexual thing with Spies, Thank God.



Having a soft soft for Dani is like having a preference for chicken over Grilled Salmon.

Dani reminds me of Pete Sampras: no personality.



A personality that can only be compared to water: absolutely no taste. I hoping she sticks with water, whist I continue drinking sparkling ( Stoney) water.

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Don't kid yourself. She fancies Big Ben as a man, but wants to cuddle Dani in diapers.

Keshav said:

Don't kid yourself. She fancies Big Ben as a man, but wants to cuddle Dani in diapers.

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Dude, that's just wrong!



I can gouge my eyes to avoid looking at Cali Kid and his J-Lo shorts, but HTF do I cleanse the mental image of Peddles in diapers? Damn you, Kesh!



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