I don't know a great deal about what offers Jorge had on the table but I can understand his desire to leave Yamaha. He's given them championship wins yet still can't seem to get any of that Jarvis love which is purely for Rossi.
The Ducati is a tricky beast. It might have killer speed but it ain't so good cornering and I am worried that Jorge will have a tough time there. However, as one of the posters said, at least he won't have to contend with the mind games and power struggling that Rossi used to bring, so maybe he'll connect with the machine and with maybe some sidelines support from Stoner, be able to take the fight to the Yams and Hondas.
I certainly hope for him, and an entertaining championship that he does.
The Ducati is a tricky beast. It might have killer speed but it ain't so good cornering and I am worried that Jorge will have a tough time there. However, as one of the posters said, at least he won't have to contend with the mind games and power struggling that Rossi used to bring, so maybe he'll connect with the machine and with maybe some sidelines support from Stoner, be able to take the fight to the Yams and Hondas.
I certainly hope for him, and an entertaining championship that he does.
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No idea what "like me" is supposed to be, but Casey was Ducati's first attempt to get a rider who can "dissolve all doubts" regarding their bike's competitiveness, -- and hopefully race it to wins and more; they really tried to convince him as much as possible, but Casey has been adamant. So they went for Lorenzo.
Now that they have Lorenzo, what is Casey's position going to be, precisely? Not so clear. Unfortunately even wild cards (or replacing Lorenzo's teammate if necessary) would become very problematic, because Stoner beating Lorenzo on the Ducati would be much more disruptive than Stoner beating Dovi or Iannone.
Ducati will find themselves in a similar position as Honda was last year, with the necessity to "protect" their precious top rider from Stoner... I'm afraid the end could also be similar. Which would be a real pity.
I tend to agree, although this requires the assumption that Jorge would be threatened by having a competitive team-mate. One thing about Stoner himself is that I am fairly convinced he wouldn't have minded who his team-mate was as long as they got equal opportunities, he for instance apparently being happy for DP to have his data while not requiring reciprocation. I know you think differently, but I am not sure there is any evidence Jorge would necessarily object to a talented team-mate with an equal chance either.
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Can we put a moratorium on this ........ euphemism "mind games" and call it what it is, a person being an ........
Who here has a coworker, a family member, a boss, an acquaintance who acts like an .......? Do you ever say they are using "mind games"?
I've been reading this all over the comments sections laughing at how easy the 'Message Disseminators' can not only control the narrative but even the very words that are used.
Would you call a parent who bullies his kids using "mind games"? No. You call him an sick ....... ........
Would you call a person who is connected to the boss that manipulates the situation against you at work as a person using "mind games"? No. You call him a ....... chickenshit .....
Would you call an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend ex-wife/husband who tries to ruin your life using "mind games"? No. You'd call them a ....... conniving ....... ......
Mind games=.......
...
If you visit the comments sections this week, you'll read a theme emerge, even on Krop's site, you know, that comment section that is supposed to be so insightful and fantastic, the best in the world. You will read a recurring theme calling Lorenzo an "unlikable whiner" reminiscent of how the fandom perceived Casey Stoner. They are upset with Lorenzo's comments about the Michelin spinning, when he said he has never experienced this much spinning where without it he felt he could have won. This of course was minutes after the race, where I'm sure he didn't have time to survey the experience others had with the tire. Up until that point Rossi did not declare having a severe tire traction problem . It was certainly something of an outlier so Jorge thought at the moment. Rossi did not have such severe spinning, and seemed to adjusted his answer once it became clear Lorenzo's rear traction was far worse than his by saying, oh I also experienced some spinning but added not as bad as Lorenzo. This exchange has the Rossi fandom in a tizzy, Lorenzo is the worst person in the world apparently. The perspective in the sport is lost! After Rossi's epic meltdown and whine that reached outer space, from henceforth "whining & moaning" by other riders is effectively dead. It's as if Rossi ..... a person but his fans see Lorenzo catcalling and they're ready to waterboard him before firing squad.
As i was reading for example the comments on Krop's site, I couldn't help remembering how Kropo had ranked the riders according to likeability, Lorenzo being the least of the top four. I'm sure it's repeated across the journalistic spectrum. Is it any wonder the fans jump all over Lorenzo echoing what they read (even Pedrosa has taken heat for his comments on the spinning tire).
Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
Who here has a coworker, a family member, a boss, an acquaintance who acts like an .......? Do you ever say they are using "mind games"?
I've been reading this all over the comments sections laughing at how easy the 'Message Disseminators' can not only control the narrative but even the very words that are used.
Would you call a parent who bullies his kids using "mind games"? No. You call him an sick ....... ........
Would you call a person who is connected to the boss that manipulates the situation against you at work as a person using "mind games"? No. You call him a ....... chickenshit .....
Would you call an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend ex-wife/husband who tries to ruin your life using "mind games"? No. You'd call them a ....... conniving ....... ......
Mind games=.......
...
If you visit the comments sections this week, you'll read a theme emerge, even on Krop's site, you know, that comment section that is supposed to be so insightful and fantastic, the best in the world. You will read a recurring theme calling Lorenzo an "unlikable whiner" reminiscent of how the fandom perceived Casey Stoner. They are upset with Lorenzo's comments about the Michelin spinning, when he said he has never experienced this much spinning where without it he felt he could have won. This of course was minutes after the race, where I'm sure he didn't have time to survey the experience others had with the tire. Up until that point Rossi did not declare having a severe tire traction problem . It was certainly something of an outlier so Jorge thought at the moment. Rossi did not have such severe spinning, and seemed to adjusted his answer once it became clear Lorenzo's rear traction was far worse than his by saying, oh I also experienced some spinning but added not as bad as Lorenzo. This exchange has the Rossi fandom in a tizzy, Lorenzo is the worst person in the world apparently. The perspective in the sport is lost! After Rossi's epic meltdown and whine that reached outer space, from henceforth "whining & moaning" by other riders is effectively dead. It's as if Rossi ..... a person but his fans see Lorenzo catcalling and they're ready to waterboard him before firing squad.
As i was reading for example the comments on Krop's site, I couldn't help remembering how Kropo had ranked the riders according to likeability, Lorenzo being the least of the top four. I'm sure it's repeated across the journalistic spectrum. Is it any wonder the fans jump all over Lorenzo echoing what they read (even Pedrosa has taken heat for his comments on the spinning tire).
Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
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Haha, well you have to remember, the past week has seen an influx of morons who see VR's Sunday victory as the restoration of balance to the universe. No doubt these mental midgets are ready to declare that the universe has been restored to its proper working order of VR before everyone else. This sort of crowing can also be attributed to all of the pent up angst, jealousy, and anger that the sea of yellow felt in the wake of being emasculated through the realization that their hero was indeed...too slow last fall. Lorenzo is an easy target because he won. But rather than consider the real facts, which were neither a Spanish conspiracy as J4rno pronounced (all while casually dismissing that things have ever been rigged in favor of Rossi which has far more proof) nor a determined Marc Marquez intent on repaying a "favor" at Sepang, but simply a case of Lorenzo actually being faster...they would rather bark at the moon.
Instead of doing the sensible thing and pulling up some VR46 themed .... to jerk off to as a way of getting release for the ultimate blue balls experience, they have held all of this inside of them for months. Now that they have release, Lorenzo's comments serve to show that maybe VR's victory wasn't as astounding as they wanted to believe...after all, to the yellow horde, the idea that VR won by nothing more than having a tire that didn't act as bad as everyone else's, well...that hurts the GOAT/winning at 37/etc. storyline.
Rossi hasn't gotten any faster from 2015 where he was already slow down the stretch. However, with a tire advantage, his lack of speed relative to the other two doesn't come into play. If being fast or being unable to get power down to the rear becomes a liability, it's the easiest way to close the gap. Rossi fans have a history of reacting poorly to anything that calls their deity's accomplishments* into question.
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In Cider
Unfortunately it will never happen. As has been said before, Rossi veto'd having Stoner as a team mate in 2006.
I wouldn't worry Jums, maybe Lorenzo will turn up to the Le Mans press conference with charts in hand to prove that he was ...... over in Jerez...
YQuite simple, although you can choose to take it differently it was a compliment for your usual posts as the one in questions tendered to be rather 'targetted' or 'lower' than the standards you usually set ..........
As for CS and JL, I still think that they will work well together as they get along and as one is not direct competition for the other, thus on-track ego is not at play.
That said, absolutely agree that if he were to beat JL in a wildcard ride, than CS' papers would be marked as Ducati will not want that and I suspect nor would JL, but I counter with CS' comments about Austin where he stated he would finish 4th or 5th at best and would not get in the way of his team mate.
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Whilst I doubt it's going to happen (quickly and without more serious work on the bike) while Rossi is still racing, should Lorenzo and Stoner put the no 1 plate back on the Ducati, can you imagine the bile and hatred that's going to simply erupt from the yellow army?
It's going to be bad enough next season anyway with the duo working against Rossi...
It's going to be bad enough next season anyway with the duo working against Rossi...
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A caravan on an island
They will also be working against Marquez, Pedrosa, Andrea?, Maverick and all the others, it will be interesting to see if they can do it and there will be no complaints from me if they do as that will make three marques that are capable of winning.
It's going to be really interesting if Maverick joins Yamaha. He would certainly be competitive against Rossi on the M1.
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Tennessee
Interview with Suzuki's Davide Brivio. Damning questions Have you warned him about what he could find with Valentino Rossi as a teammate?
"When I speak to him, I talk only about Suzuki. What it could mean to be alongside Vale is up to him. I explain to him what we can do together."
Thanks to your stint at Yamaha, you know better than anyone how hard it can be to share the garage with Rossi...
"I won't tell Maverick the situation that he could find at Yamaha, he has to figure that out himself. I speak to him about what we can offer to him, not about others.
"Vinales can make history by staying with us," says Suzuki boss
"When I speak to him, I talk only about Suzuki. What it could mean to be alongside Vale is up to him. I explain to him what we can do together."
Thanks to your stint at Yamaha, you know better than anyone how hard it can be to share the garage with Rossi...
"I won't tell Maverick the situation that he could find at Yamaha, he has to figure that out himself. I speak to him about what we can offer to him, not about others.
"Vinales can make history by staying with us," says Suzuki boss
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Your Mom's House
This is a prime example of why Rossi is so powerful. In the rare and unlikely event a journalist finds his balls to ask an obvious question, the paddock cowards to avoid putting themselves in the line of fire. Don't bite the Yellow hand that feeds you. In a way I feel sorry for these guys, bullied to the point they can't speak their mind.
I mentioned this in the soccer thread, and here we go, Leicester City's accomplishments will reverberate the world over across all mediums and organizations.
What have you told him in your arguments?
"History is full of examples. Right now everybody looks at the Premier League and Leicester. If Manchester United wins the Premier League, that's the normal thing, but if it's Leicester then it gives another meaning to the sport.
"I love this kind of thing, but it's Maverick who has to decide."
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Yes, I'm new to the sport, but I really think Rossi will retire at the end of his new contract. I can see him being competitive this year and next, but the comp is too stiff. With the up and comers like Vinales, he has a limited shelf life.
If Maverick takes the seat and can get through two years besides Rossi, he'll be set. I know that Vale was upset that Yamaha hired such a talent in Lorenzo, but he was at a different stage of his career then. Rossi must know the final curtain is nearing its fall, so perhaps he will be more gently with young Maverick. Perhaps wishful thinking, perhaps not?
IMO only, but anyone offered the seat would be a fool not to take it as it is a genuinely competitive seat in a very very good team that will (or may, depends on th theory) allow a solid chance at a championship plus provides tuteledge from Rossi (who despite the failings, has a lot of positives for riders so inclined)
Plus, it gives time to establish oneself in the team for when it comes under the management of Rossi in 2019 (my theory)
