Espargaro to Yamaha?

BJ.C

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We can only hope.


 


He does make some (maybe obvious) decent points - Ducati will never win a WC with their current line-up and really, that's why they are there. 


 


I don't know the author or his work and so I don't have any feeling either way for anything he has previously said either publicly or in private, but he made a lot of sense - Stoner needs reassurance - he left because he didn't get it at Ducati and the rot set in for the rest of his career. He is probably the only rider currently that is in a position to win a WC, outside of the rosters of Yamaha and HRC. He still has good racing years left in him and the curent line-up is nothing he couldn't handle - he's done it before.


 


So, all I have to go on is what he wrote in that one editorial and it seems to me to be eminently plausible. I suspect V8 racing is something Stoner might want to do for fun, but I'll bet it isn't pushing his buttons, challenge-wise.


 


He has nothing to prove, but just imagine the personal satisfaction to get Ducati back on the top step - would that wipe the smirk off a lot of nay-sayers, and a certain yellow clown? I think it would be worth it just for that alone

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While i don't think he will return i agree it would be the ultimate dig at the clown and his crew if he got the desmo on the top step,imagine being able to say "yep i fixed that bike in 80 seconds"

More 'the emperor has no clothes'.


 


I wonder about the return - enough money, enough 'grooming' by Audi to ensure the public appearances are kept to a minimum.


 


Besides, Adriana must be getting bored with the shopping in the Gold Coast by now.

thedeal

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While i don't think he will return i agree it would be the ultimate dig at the clown and his crew if he got the desmo on the top step,imagine being able to say "yep i fixed that bike in 80 seconds"

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Yep and it would only take literally 80 sec which would be the second lap out of the pits.

He'll be back. 


 


The truth of the matter is that the relationship with Dorna is totally misstated. Honda was getting all kinds of grief about being forced to run and control ECU etc. when Stoner was about. The threats went when he went. 


 


Stoner will return when the Spanish management team it Dorna bites the big one, which despite all trumpeting to the contrary isn't going as well as it should. 


 


Pretty much all the Anglo riders are shelved. They are on Ducati's, CRT's or one satellite Yamaha. None of them have the machine to win a championship or even challenge for regular podiums. 


 


There is a bucket of Spanish ethnocentrism at the centre of motorcycle racing right now, the moment Spain has a few hiccups the Dorna and Bridgepoint group will look silly in hindsight for stacking all their eggs in one basket. The "9 from 9" thread demonstrates the issue. Spanish riders are at the top of everything, pushed in their by Dorna/Bridgepoint the whole way along, there isn't enough opportunity for riders of other nationalities. 


 


And now the chance to truly make motospaingp international fades with it. It went from having a substantial amount of Spanish riders and sponsors, yet as the ethnicity noose tightens around their neck Dorna will have the devils time asking sponsors from (in particular) Anglo nations to jump on board what is now a Spanish championship. 


 


It wouldn't be a solid advertising or business decision right now for American, Australian or English companies to throw too much at a bunch of riders that Anglo people cannot associate with. 


 


So another Spanish rider to a team that has a chance (remotely) of perhaps pulling a podium. And those teams are too few and far too Spanish. 


 


The ONLY thing that annoys me with this was WSBK was genuinely poised to become the premier form of WORLD motorcycle road racing, and so instead of ascending on Dorna's many errors, Spanish "nationalism" and redundancies it will be artificially held in check to favour (as someone else put it) the Emperor parading his new outfit for all to laugh at. 


 


Honda's plan for the V4 WSBK homologation special would never have got off the ground if they knew Dorna was buying WSBK, and by that time it was already too far along. Dorna was just lucky enough to see the writing on the wall and buy the competitor before one of the major MGP players walked out taking their team, expertise, money (sponsors) and motorcycle racing history and prestige with them. 


 


They would have left motogp with a Yamaha -v- Ducati battle, a one sided fight at best, a lot less money for Dorna and motogp and a lot of tinkering to make it look like it wasn't the Yamaha cup. And a bunch of Aprilia engined mobile chicanes built in someone's garage, whether it be Barcelona or Scunthorpe their chance of success was the same. 

100% Mr Roo

Andy Roo

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There is a bucket of Spanish ethnocentrism at the centre of motorcycle racing right now, the moment Spain has a few hiccups the Dorna and Bridgepoint group will look silly in hindsight for stacking all their eggs in one basket. The "9 from 9" thread demonstrates the issue. Spanish riders are at the top of everything, pushed in their by Dorna/Bridgepoint the whole way along, there isn't enough opportunity for riders of other nationalities. 

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But.... Spain spends more time, money and effort on young riders. That's the reason they have so many good ones. Nobody stopped Stoner from reaching the show, but he had to go though the Spanish championships and do his apprenticeship there to get a ride. The same for most of the non-Spanish riders, including Italian, German, French and British riders. Unless you either win a SBK world championship or have an extremely rich Daddy that owns a racetrack, you won't get a chance unless you go through the Spanish mill.


 


That isn't the fault of Spain or Dorna, that's just the facts. If Australia (for example) created a well-organized and well-funded series using Moto3 and Moto2 bikes as national championships and took kids from those rural dirt-track competitions and gave them 20 or so races a year, then no doubt we would be churning out good, fast young talent as well.


 


You can't disparage Spain for keeping to the faith and promoting young riders into one of the most popular sports in their country.


 


Imagine if Australia treated road-racing the same way we treat ARL or NRL or cricket. Kids can go to the AIS who run a 'GP school', where they will do school work as well as physical training, learn about the physics of setup, work as pit crew, and race 5 times a week.


 


Dorna are making sure they get the best talent on the best bikes - at the moment the best talent is coming from the CEV Buckler series.

Exactly BJ.C, thanks for writing all that.  

BJ.C said:

I don't know the author or his work and so I don't have any feeling either way for anything he has previously said either publicly or in private, but he made a lot of sense

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Given u pick up all ur "insight" from the wiki "authors", i can see why u would think this.

Stoner started his career in England, not spain!

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But.... Spain spends more time, money and effort on young riders. That's the reason they have so many good ones. Nobody stopped Stoner from reaching the show, but he had to go though the Spanish championships and do his apprenticeship there to get a ride. The same for most of the non-Spanish riders, including Italian, German, French and British riders. Unless you either win a SBK world championship or have an extremely rich Daddy that owns a racetrack, you won't get a chance unless you go through the Spanish mill.

 

That isn't the fault of Spain or Dorna, that's just the facts. If Australia (for example) created a well-organized and well-funded series using Moto3 and Moto2 bikes as national championships and took kids from those rural dirt-track competitions and gave them 20 or so races a year, then no doubt we would be churning out good, fast young talent as well.

 

You can't disparage Spain for keeping to the faith and promoting young riders into one of the most popular sports in their country.

 

Imagine if Australia treated road-racing the same way we treat ARL or NRL or cricket. Kids can go to the AIS who run a 'GP school', where they will do school work as well as physical training, learn about the physics of setup, work as pit crew, and race 5 times a week.

 

Dorna are making sure they get the best talent on the best bikes - at the moment the best talent is coming from the CEV Buckler series.

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exactly mate. the wheels are already turning in making this happen. most kids are running moto 3 nsf's in 125gp over here now, and we have off the top of my head, 4 new riders in europe this season mixing it up with the euros. Luca gardner actually had a win yesterday too i hear.


But the fact of the matter still remains that those euro kids are ....... quick due to their upbringing. We export our top moto 3 riders like Olly and Zac, and they get there and have their ..... kicked. They live and breath riding while they are here, but nowhere near what the europeans do.


I partly blame our lack of decent tracks here for that too. The last track Zac rode on in Australia was qld raceway. The first track he rode in europe was Motorland Aragon..... look it up if you dont know the track lads.

Andy Roo

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The truth of the matter is that the relationship with Dorna is totally misstated.

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No it isn't. I have spent 15 minutes discussing the placing of a comma with a press officer assigned to manage Stoner, because of a comment he'd made. The addition of a comma modified the meaning of the statement from outright disgust to mild disapproval. The argument ended with an appeal to my better nature "you know what Casey's relationship is with Carmelo".

Ezpeleta thought Stoner was an ungrateful little .... who won and whined, Stoner thought Ezpeleta was a scheming, conniving .... who single-handedly ruined MotoGP by forcing the 800cc bikes onto the class.

Kropotkin

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No it isn't. I have spent 15 minutes discussing the placing of a comma with a press officer assigned to manage Stoner, because of a comment he'd made. The addition of a comma modified the meaning of the statement from outright disgust to mild disapproval. The argument ended with an appeal to my better nature "you know what Casey's relationship is with Carmelo".


Ezpeleta thought Stoner was an ungrateful little .... who won and whined, Stoner thought Ezpeleta was a scheming, conniving .... who single-handedly ruined MotoGP by forcing the 800cc bikes onto the class.

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What was the quote?

digger

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exactly mate. the wheels are already turning in making this happen. most kids are running moto 3 nsf's in 125gp over here now, and we have off the top of my head, 4 new riders in europe this season mixing it up with the euros. Luca gardner actually had a win yesterday too i hear.


But the fact of the matter still remains that those euro kids are ....... quick due to their upbringing. We export our top moto 3 riders like Olly and Zac, and they get there and have their ..... kicked. They live and breath riding while they are here, but nowhere near what the europeans do.


I partly blame our lack of decent tracks here for that too. The last track Zac rode on in Australia was qld raceway. The first track he rode in europe was Motorland Aragon..... look it up if you dont know the track lads.

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Looks positively Canadian.

Kropotkin

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No it isn't. I have spent 15 minutes discussing the placing of a comma with a press officer assigned to manage Stoner, because of a comment he'd made. The addition of a comma modified the meaning of the statement from outright disgust to mild disapproval. The argument ended with an appeal to my better nature "you know what Casey's relationship is with Carmelo".


Ezpeleta thought Stoner was an ungrateful little .... who won and whined, Stoner thought Ezpeleta was a scheming, conniving .... who single-handedly ruined MotoGP by forcing the 800cc bikes onto the class.

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Not by you, by the other peanut from the motorcycle media, he makes it sound like Casey will be welcomed back with a brass band. 


 


I called that as ......... 


 


You already had it right. 


 


Casey ain't coming back until Carmelo is gooooone. 

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No it isn't. I have spent 15 minutes discussing the placing of a comma with a press officer assigned to manage Stoner, because of a comment he'd made. The addition of a comma modified the meaning of the statement from outright disgust to mild disapproval. The argument ended with an appeal to my better nature "you know what Casey's relationship is with Carmelo".Ezpeleta thought Stoner was an ungrateful little .... who won and whined, Stoner thought Ezpeleta was a scheming, conniving .... who single-handedly ruined MotoGP by forcing the 800cc bikes onto the class.

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Thnx for the insight. I side with CS on this one.

I think Stoner was "righter" 

digger

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exactly mate. the wheels are already turning in making this happen. most kids are running moto 3 nsf's in 125gp over here now, and we have off the top of my head, 4 new riders in europe this season mixing it up with the euros. Luca gardner actually had a win yesterday too i hear.


But the fact of the matter still remains that those euro kids are ....... quick due to their upbringing. We export our top moto 3 riders like Olly and Zac, and they get there and have their ..... kicked. They live and breath riding while they are here, but nowhere near what the europeans do.


I partly blame our lack of decent tracks here for that too. The last track Zac rode on in Australia was qld raceway. The first track he rode in europe was Motorland Aragon..... look it up if you dont know the track lads.

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I watched Formula Oz on the telly yesterday afternoon.... the geriatric Curtain won both legs against Parkes, behnd them was...air. The state of the track was Broadford-esque. There is zero cash in motorcycles here at the moment, it seems every second week another dealer has shut down.


But back to bikes. I hate the NSF bikes. An expensive engine in a pretty much standard RS125 chassis. I'd prefer to see MA promoting 125s as a no-powerjet carb, no programmable ignition and std exhaust class. They'd cost a third of an NSF.

Kropotkin

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No it isn't. I have spent 15 minutes discussing the placing of a comma with a press officer assigned to manage Stoner, because of a comment he'd made. The addition of a comma modified the meaning of the statement from outright disgust to mild disapproval. The argument ended with an appeal to my better nature "you know what Casey's relationship is with Carmelo".


Ezpeleta thought Stoner was an ungrateful little .... who won and whined, Stoner thought Ezpeleta was a scheming, conniving .... who single-handedly ruined MotoGP by forcing the 800cc bikes onto the class.

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When Stoner was winning everything in 07, I believe worldwide audiences dropped 25%.


So, an individual's goals (winning races) worked against the organisation's goals (making money).


I can't see how it was ever going to end well.


 


But that's what happens when you promote 'personality' over (yes, hyperbole) the actual event. I see why this happened (note: see, not "agree"). 5 dour years of Michael Doohan, while SBK kept getting bigger and bigger....then an Italian with 'personality' turns up. But they put too many eggs in his yellow basket and not enough in other rider's...and had no answer when the game was spoiled by CS.

Dr No

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I watched Formula Oz on the telly yesterday afternoon.... the geriatric Curtain won both legs against Parkes, behnd them was...air. The state of the track was Broadford-esque. There is zero cash in motorcycles here at the moment, it seems every second week another dealer has shut down.

But back to bikes. I hate the NSF bikes. An expensive engine in a pretty much standard RS125 chassis. I'd prefer to see MA promoting 125s as a no-powerjet carb, no programmable ignition and std exhaust class. They'd cost a third of an NSF.

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me too, but unfortunately thats the way the rest.of the world is going. fuggin 4 strokes. i laughed to myself the other day when you mentioned the hard to start 4 strokes. ive pushed a few of them miles trying to get a hard headed kid to follow the correct procedure to get the ....... things to fire.


i didnt think the rs125 was too far behind in cost? the nsf is about $20k i think, and i think the rsw125 prilla was getting close to that too. on second thoughts though, the running costs are miles less (again, i think it was you mentioning this the other day too)

Dr No

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When Stoner was winning everything in 07, I believe worldwide audiences dropped 25%.

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Was that Stoner or 800cc racing?