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Engine Capacity

stiefel said:
Heard in pretty much any top-40 recording nowadays, and not just there either.
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If the singer can hold a tune you shouldnt need it...its cheating
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Bunyip said:
Well done guys, especially Geonard. All of this, is totally out of my field of expertise, so I thank you all for your wisdom.



This must be part of the future , where the internet allows a pooling of disparate minds to solve a problem.



So, 930 cc it is. Many ramifications............... issues for Ducati should a rev limit come in, a peakier engine rossi dislikes, etc etc

It would seem, for various reasons that Ducati,s mooted new engine may well be 999cc as well as narrow angle??



ps Michael..........With a good CD player, I find vinyl hard to justify..............only 20 mins before you have to turn it over, and then if there are any scratches, the whole theoretical advantage has been rendered useless. I think CD was a great invention.
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Totally agree about it being a sterling effort by people with knowledge well beyond my ken.



If you like cds and you are thinking of upgrading your player you had better do so now; talk is the current generation may be the last , with cds themselves to go out of production as well, to be replaced by music streamers/ computer audio and highrez downloads.



I am a long time audiophile (or audiophool as they are known by some) and have a good sacd/cd player (2 in fact) but still have in recent years returned to vinyl . I have no children in my house to scratch or smear jam on the vinyl which no doubt helps.



Early cd was truly execrable despite being supposedly "perfect sound forever" but I agree they have really improved things now it is getting towards the end of the format. I still find even sacd a little sterile compared to vinyl on good equipment, and having an actual artifact with cover art etc is appealing, as is listening to the music as the artist intended in terms of sequence on an album etc with pop, rock and jazz anyway; the young folk also seem to think this.
 
BarryMachine said:
Now come on. I'm old, but you are old and antiquated!!
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I wish I had an mp3 player for back in the day, remember sony walkmans with the tape? I used one for many years in a back pack whilst practicing enduro riding out in the bush NE of Sydney. The pitch warbled with every bump, but it was amazing at the time to be able to do it. I remember one time riding along to one of Vivaldi's bits of music ....... building up to a crescendo, I was going faster and faster, it was a great piece of music to ride with ...... right up until it came to an abrupt stop as I hit an embankment of gravel at the side of the track
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. Nowadays you can just use your mobile phone. And its stable and clear and adjustable, and if its too "new" for you you can run it through a valve effects add on ( probably could find a gramaphone add on too if you wished!
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) . I ride along with my headphones on listening to music, with the GPS voice scaring the .... out of me every now and again as she interjects with her protestations, and i can answer phone calls without stopping !! But thats road riding nowadays and I avoid vivaldi ( not really ... love a bit of vivaldi )
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About the same age or a little younger I think baz but didn't have a record player before I went to university.



My brother tells me the same thing concerning the use of ipods while cycling or running on a treadmill, so if I ever get back to serious running I may have to get one. Certainly portable cd players/discmans or discmen didn't work at any appreciable pace.



I have a really over the top audiophile friend who tells me that if you store the music uncompressed and have a device to bypass the internal dac on an ipod they work quite well as transports, so there is some good basic technology in them. Steve Jobs himself is reputed to have been a turntable man though.
 
michaelm said:
I have a really over the top audiophile friend who tells me that if you store the music uncompressed and have a device to bypass the internal dac on an ipod they work quite well as transports, so there is some good basic technology in them. Steve Jobs himself is reputed to have been a turntable man though.
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You reminded me of something I never got round to, I was entertaining the idea of using the guts of a stylus cartridge as a pickup for a violin ...... still have it sitting in a box somewhere.





How about this idea, take out the cartridge and lug the headphone wires from an mp3 player into the signal wires from your turntable, you get to use the preamp and amp then !
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Personally I don't use apple gear. They are not for the truly transportable person to me, hence why I use my phones mp3 player or other generic music players. That way the music data is the same across all my devices.



I also know a chap who is a recordLP-type-phile, he does exactly what I do with the phone as his portable music, but still loves to sit down in his dedicated room with his LP's at times. Nice to have the time I say.
 
What really irks me is the current push by the ....... Marketing Monkeys [sup]tm[/sup] toward so-called super-resolution audio. They want to sell you 96KHz / 48 bit data on a DVD or Blue-ray disk. The great irony is that most music doesn't use anywhere near all the dynamic range supplied by the current 16bit standard, and any music recently remastered to higher resolution is very likely to be dynamically crushed to death. (eg. it will sound WORSE than the original CD) What a ....... disaster!
 
Geonerd said:
What really irks me is the current push by the ....... Marketing Monkeys [sup]tm[/sup] toward so-called super-resolution audio. They want to sell you 96KHz / 48 bit data on a DVD or Blue-ray disk. The great irony is that most music doesn't use anywhere near all the dynamic range supplied by the current 16bit standard, and any music recently remastered to higher resolution is very likely to be dynamically crushed to death. (eg. it will sound WORSE than the original CD) What a ....... disaster!
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But folks will lap it up
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I keep saying I'm getting off the boat ..... never buying another newfangled bit of gear ....... but I get there too eventually ..... I hate wasteful obsolescence
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Geonerd said:
What really irks me is the current push by the ....... Marketing Monkeys [sup]tm[/sup] toward so-called super-resolution audio. They want to sell you 96KHz / 48 bit data on a DVD or Blue-ray disk. The great irony is that most music doesn't use anywhere near all the dynamic range supplied by the current 16bit standard, and any music recently remastered to higher resolution is very likely to be dynamically crushed to death. (eg. it will sound WORSE than the original CD) What a ....... disaster!
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Yep. Even newly recorded classical music often has the same problem.
 
michaelm said:
So will they pull the pin if there is a rev limit this year? I guess audi means even your inside knowledge is clouded currently.



The desmo system does it would seem give them some sort of intrinsic engine advantage, perhaps not really in practice if the resultant characteristics from exploiting the advantage make the bike unrideable.
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Ducati will not quit because of a rev limit (if they do, even on that pretext, it will be for different reasons). The desmo has (theoretically at least) benefits also in the mid-range. It uses the least power to actuate the valves -- no springs or no air to compress -- and that can be even more valuable when the engine is not delivering its full power.



It will take some time before the Audi takeover is felt in Borgo Panigale. For the moment everything is going on as usual.
 
J4rn0 said:
Ducati will not quit because of a rev limit (if they do, even on that pretext, it will be for different reasons). The desmo has (theoretically at least) benefits also in the mid-range. It uses the least power to actuate the valves -- no springs or no air to compress -- and that can be even more valuable when the engine is not delivering its full power.



It will take some time before the Audi takeover is felt in Borgo Panigale. For the moment everything is going on as usual.
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I thought there were other benefits to the Desmo valves besides revving to the moon. Finger crossed this rumored new motor will start getting them on the right track....it would certianly be more fun watching 3 makes fighting for top spots rather than two!
 
Watched the entire Qatar race last night. Not many opportunities with Moody and Ryder yakking so much!

I did catch some brief Lorenzo samples that yielded 15,900 and 16,150.

One pretty good Bautista clip shows 15,900 shortly before shifting.

One Crutchlow clip at 15,3, when chasing Dovi.

I didn't get any on-board clips from the Duc.



Overall, I get the impression that Honda is running their engine fractionally faster than Yamaha, with the Duc's operating envelope residing roughly 1200 RPM higher.



I also get the impression the Honda and Yam riders are short shifting a lot, running much of the race ~1000 RPM below the engine's max. I have a theory regarding engine and fuel management that goes something like this: When pootling about between ~14000 and the low 15s the engine is probably running rather lean. If the rider delays shifting and allows the revs to rise into the "Go, Dammit!" zone, the mix will automatically enrich, offering transparent 'push-to-pass' functionality at the cost of engine life units and fuel. No data on the Ducs in race trim.
 
Dudes!

Can one of you who have purchased the MotoGP.com video pass possibly record the audio from

http://www.motogp.co...ce+from+OnBoard

Please sample at 44,1 KHZ, 16 bit. A high quality MP3 conversion should be more than good enough.



Edit - I just found one of those naughty media sharing files and am DL now. Hopefully it will do the trick.



Edit - this is a freaking gold mine. DePuniet, Hernandez, etc.
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You guys need a ....... life. This thread reminds me of those dork ........ who record Star Trek so they can learn how to speak Klingon or the new wave of dorks who have devoted entire forums on how to speak Dothraki from Game of Thrones.



Go .... your wives, your dogs, or go ride your bike, this is ridiculous
 
Some numbers from the Qatar race.

I'm trying to get as close to a shift point as possible, preferably on a longer straight, where they aren't short shifting.



Bradl

151 1599 1555



Dovi

157 1605 1604



Stoner

162 16295



Lorenzo

16208



Crutchlow

163 149 152



Ped

159 157



Ellison (Just getting back on track, probably not on it 100%)

129



Rossi

1585 164 168



Bautista

148 149



Hernandez

1385 1343



11 more laps to look at. Hoping for some Beemer and Aprillia action!
 
Geonerd said:
Hernandez

1385 1343
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This one is the most interesting. It means that BQR are going to explode a lot of engines this season, imo, or as Krop said a while back, they are getting a lot of support from Kawasaki Spain.



Hey, you want to do me a favor and do some WSBK onboard
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Will do some WSBK soon, if nothing else, the Aprillia, BMW and Kwacker.
 

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