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Dovi shrugs off Dani

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 13 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Dani was 7.1 Honda would have never gone to the 800s
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It's got to do with Kato.

If Kato weren't Japanese the manufacturers wouldn't have given a damn. If Gibby had crashed it would have been business as usual.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 13 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's got to do with Kato.

If Kato weren't Japanese the manufacturers wouldn't have given a damn. If Gibby had crashed it would have been business as usual.
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If Kato wouldn't have been Japanese he never would have crashed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Nov 12 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To be precise, Spain doesn't mean other countries. It's another country.

Dani is only liked in Spain.

Even that, I don't understand. Surely Lorenzo would be more appealing to the Spaniards?

Haga just proved you wrong. Not everyone likes the same as you do. Personally I found Lorenzo quite arrogant in his 250cc era, now he seems he's changed, but it might all be a façade since he takes acting lessons.
I couldn't care less about the fact that Dani's personality is as interesting as watching paint dry, I like bike racing, the day I care about those things maybe I'll start watching Big Brother.
About the mass of fans .. well they're mostly bandwagon jumpers so they support Dani cause he's the one doing better and Rossi because he's won so much. If Lorenzo or any other one else does better they'll support that one.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Nov 12 2008, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedrosa's fans are almost invariably Spanish...
Of course, other than Rossi I think all the rest are mostly supported in their own countries.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dphairoh @ Nov 12 2008, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Teo I didn't know you had that big of a crush on Dani! There is hardly anyone in motorsport who has less fan sites or hits than Dani. So it isnt just America boy genius, there just isn't much about Dani to like. He's a weasel, and I am guessing most of his fans follow suit.
I assume you make that statement without having any idea how many fans has each rider, so I wont bother proving it wrong cause I have better things to do than looking out for teeny bopper fan sites. Right now my order of likening in MotoGP would be Elias, Dani, Lorenzo. And next year it'll be Sete, Elias, Dani, Lorenzo. So you're not even close.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Nov 13 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani is indeed massive in Spain - excuse the oxymoron. Having said that, Spain isn't simply another homogenous country, Spains 'national' identity is comprised of a maze of regional identities as opposed to a sole distinct Spanish one..in fact some of these conflict with the ideal of a single Spanish individuality, so when Dani or Sete race at Jerez because they are Catalan, they are effectively abroad. Dani was booed there some years ago for brandishing a Catalan flag, so he's definitely not universally liked in Spain. Having said that, in this instance he was booed over a show of regional/cultural expression, as opposed to the brickyard where it was largely for being an obnoxious conniving little .... with an apartment up Alberto Puig's ........

As to why Lorenzo is not more popular than Dani in Spain, they are both Catalan - so who knows, give it time. There has been a tremendous war of words in the Spanish press since they both locked horns in 250cc, much of it driven by Jorge's manager Danny Amatrian. Given Lorenzo's showmanship and magnetism next to Dani's obvious charisma bypass and sour demeanor this question is a perplexing one. I've always said like Lawson, Dani is a man of few words, and he does his talking on the track....or at least he did on a 2 stroke..of late his racing lexicon has clearly had its limitations in the big class.

Lorenzo is not Catalan, he's from Majorca, the Balearic islands are NOT Cataluña. Regional disputes of course might have an effect on who supports who, but I think in terms of Bike racing we have quite an homogenous support. Of course, Lorenzo might have the upper hand on the others because unlike Sete, Elías and Pedrosa he's not Catalan.
I guess one of the reasons why Bautista is the media favourite is because he's from central Spain (also according to the girls I've talked to he's cute which might make him go really far (look at Beckham)).
Personally I might be totally in disagreement with current Catalan government politics but I will cheer Sete, Dani and Elias the same. Fortunately bikers stay away from politics unlike football clubs.

@ Arrabiata: Secondo me anche in Italia si fa il tiffo per tutti piloti e non importa di dove sono. Mai ho sentito dire che questo pilota non mi piace perche è un polentone/terrone.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 13 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Kato wouldn't have been Japanese he never would have crashed.

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The bikes have GPS now so that explains why JiR hired Takahashi.

Turn right in 100 meters Thanks TomTom!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 14 2008, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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The bikes have GPS now so that explains why JiR hired Takahashi.

Turn right in 100 meters Thanks TomTom!
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Gyroscopes.

Sing "Spinning Wheel" and the bike turns in one hundred metres
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Nov 13 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani is indeed massive in Spain - excuse the oxymoron. Having said that, Spain isn't simply another homogenous country, Spains 'national' identity is comprised of a maze of regional identities as opposed to a sole distinct Spanish one..in fact some of these conflict with the ideal of a single Spanish individuality, so when Dani or Sete race at Jerez because they are Catalan, they are effectively abroad. Dani was booed there some years ago for brandishing a Catalan flag, so he's definitely not universally liked in Spain. Having said that, in this instance he was booed over a show of regional/cultural expression, as opposed to the brickyard where it was largely for being an obnoxious conniving little .... with an apartment up Alberto Puig's ........

As to why Lorenzo is not more popular than Dani in Spain, they are both Catalan - so who knows, give it time. There has been a tremendous war of words in the Spanish press since they both locked horns in 250cc, much of it driven by Jorge's manager Danny Amatrian. Given Lorenzo's showmanship and magnetism next to Dani's obvious charisma bypass and sour demeanor this question is a perplexing one. I've always said like Lawson, Dani is a man of few words, and he does his talking on the track....or at least he did on a 2 stroke..of late his racing lexicon has clearly had its limitations in the big class.

Wrong, Jorge is Majorcan.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 13 2008, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Nov 13 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haga just proved you wrong. Not everyone likes the same as you do. Personally I found Lorenzo quite arrogant in his 250cc era, now he seems he's changed, but it might all be a façade since he takes acting lessons.
<u>I couldn't care less about the fact that Dani's personality is as interesting as watching paint dry, I like bike racing, the day I care about those things maybe I'll start watching Big Brother.
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About the mass of fans .. well they're mostly bandwagon jumpers so they support Dani cause he's the one doing better and Rossi because he's won so much. If Lorenzo or any other one else does better they'll support that one.

Such a ........ argument. Lets go on down the list. Would you care if Dani said .... all the other riders on the? Probably not. Would you care if Dani said, .... my teammate? Probably not. What if Dani said i don't care about my fans all I care about racing? You would still be a fan. What if Dani murdered kittens in his spare time? you still a fan. What if he was banging your daughter? Still a fan? I think by now your are watching Big Brother eh? The point is, Dani isn't immune from basic laws or feelings of society just cause he rides a motorcycle. Obviously the blinders are on for many fans, I just wonder how far he would have to go for you to actually give a damn.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Nov 13 2008, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Such a ........ argument. Lets go on down the list. Would you care if Dani said .... all the other riders on the? Probably not. Would you care if Dani said, .... my teammate? Probably not. What if Dani said i don't care about my fans all I care about racing? You would still be a fan. What if Dani murdered kittens in his spare time? you still a fan. What if he was banging your daughter? Still a fan? I think by now your are watching Big Brother eh? The point is, Dani isn't immune from basic laws or feelings of society just cause he rides a motorcycle. Obviously the blinders are on for many fans, I just wonder how far he would have to go for you to actually give a damn.

When he starts selling t-shirts picturing him banging his teammate's dead kittens on the shopping network - that's where I draw the line.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Nov 14 2008, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Such a ........ argument. Lets go on down the list. Would you care if Dani said .... all the other riders on the? Probably not. Would you care if Dani said, .... my teammate? Probably not. What if Dani said i don't care about my fans all I care about racing? You would still be a fan. What if Dani murdered kittens in his spare time? you still a fan. What if he was banging your daughter? Still a fan? I think by now your are watching Big Brother eh? The point is, Dani isn't immune from basic laws or feelings of society just cause he rides a motorcycle. Obviously the blinders are on for many fans, I just wonder how far he would have to go for you to actually give a damn.

The only thing that is ........ here is all the stuff you've written with no connection whatsoever with my point which is that I don't care about the riders personalities.

In your skewed vision of the issue Dani is to blame for every thing that goes wrong in MotoGP, in mine he hasn't done anything that others haven't done before. And if he does something I consider really wrong inside or outside the track I will stop supporting him for sure.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Nov 14 2008, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The only thing that is ........ here is all the stuff you've written with no connection whatsoever with my point which is that I don't care about the riders personalities.

In your skewed vision of the issue Dani is to blame for every thing that goes wrong in MotoGP, in mine he hasn't done anything that others haven't done before. And if he does something I consider really wrong inside or outside the track I will stop supporting him for sure.

Fair enough. The connection was that you can overlook anything and still support a rider
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I don't blame Dani for everything that has gone wrong in MOTOGP jsut most of it.

So riders have done the same thing before him, that makes it okay.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I don't care about the riders personalities.

I find that VERY odd...less you're just like him...with none?
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its not weird curve. why would we have to like a riders personality to say you like them as a rider? if you just want to see good racing, and you have a rider you prefer to see win it and if you're rooting for him, you dont need to know who the person is under the helmet.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Nov 14 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its not weird curve. why would we have to like a riders personality to say you like them as a rider? if you just want to see good racing, and you have a rider you prefer to see win it and if you're rooting for him, you dont need to know who the person is under the helmet.

Because it IS weird... I love the SPORT, but I have to like the rider... I like riders i can relate to...like in any other sport... or hell like in personal life... There are people you know you click with right off the bat..there are other you will never click with...Pedro being the ladder
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That is a bit more of a personal thing.

I can appreciate good rides and drives by people I really don't support . Best example for me is and remains Michael Schumacher who I loathed yet will give full credit for his achievements.

But those I support I usually support for a mix of talent and personality (and possibly looks
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Nov 14 2008, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is a bit more of a personal thing.

I can appreciate good rides and drives by people I really don't support . Best example for me is and remains Michael Schumacher who I loathed yet will give full credit for his achievements.

But those I support I usually support for a mix of talent and personality (and possibly looks
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Well said. I am not taking anything away from riding ability and appreciation for what they are doing out there. Like them or not I give them credit for that. But that is where I draw the line. Many factors play into whether I "LIKE" or am a fan of a rider, not just what they can do out there on the track. I think that what they can accomplish on the track has put blinders on some people. I mean really why the hell would you like Pedrosa
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Nov 13 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is not Catalan, he's from Majorca, the Balearic islands are NOT Cataluña.

@ Arrabiata: Secondo me anche in Italia si fa il tiffo per tutti piloti e non importa di dove sono. Mai ho sentito dire che questo pilota non mi piace perche è un polentone/terrone.

Where I'm fully aware that Lorenzo is from Majorca, or in Catlan, Mallorca, apologies otherwise for my ignorance Teomolca and I wouldn't presume to know more about Spanish national sensitivities than one with latin blood such as yourself. Although I realise that the Balearics are a semi autonomous region, I mistakedly believed that because the language is so widely spoken there, that they came under the governance/jurisdiction of Catalunya as opposed to being a province of Spain, and on reflection I now accept that Lorenzo is a Spanish speaker. I stand corrected.

Secondo me anche in Italia si fa il tiffo per tutti piloti e non importa di dove sono. Mai ho sentito dire che questo pilota non mi piace perche è un polentone/terrone.

I have definitely heard/seen cases of regional rider loyalty in Spain, but I'm pleased to learn if not a tad surprised, that this is not so deep seated in Italy. Despite the prevailing view of Italy as a unified nation state there is a wealth of history preceding this and I have always regarded one of the attractions of your country as being the diversity of it's dialects and customs based on this. Please enlighten me, I'm interested.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 14 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because it IS weird... I love the SPORT, but I have to like the rider... I like riders i can relate to...like in any other sport... or hell like in personal life... There are people you know you click with right off the bat..there are other you will never click with...Pedro being the ladder
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I'm somewhere in the middle on this. I don't like Spies particularly, in fact he gives me the creeps with those dead little piggy eyes and the vacuum he sports in place of a personality. But he's never actually done anything manifestly dispicable - so I'm rootin' for him next year. I always was a supporter of Freddie Spencer - tho he's one of those born again Christians who only seems capable of the most superficial communication with other humans. Lawson was a ....... morose misanthrope - but again, never did anything conspicuously assholic.

But then there are guys like Roberts and Schwantz and Rainey who yah just gotta LOVE - the guys with the "I wanna have a beer with." factor. I don't care how many podiums Pedrosa has - you couldn't pay me to drink with him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 14 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't care how many podiums Pedrosa has - you couldn't pay me to drink with him.
I have to disagree with you there. Imagine how many girls would be drawn to a table Pedrosa is sitting at. Add my mediocre at best Spanish, now I have a translator who also attracts Spanish women. Jackpot. I'd probably never cheer for Pedrosa, but I'd never turn down an opportunity to have a beer with him. Who knows, he may turn out to be a decent guy. And if not, I'd still be surrounded by gorgeous Spanish women.
 

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