Dovi shrugs off Dani

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Nov 12 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That isn't true, many Europeans appreciate his talent and support the guy as well as a fair few South Americans by what i've seen and heard. Plus in Spain he is supported more than Jorge.
Pedrosa's fans are almost invariably Spanish...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Nov 11 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That isn't true, many Europeans appreciate his talent and support the guy as well as a fair few South Americans by what i've seen and heard. Plus in Spain he is supported more than Jorge.

Spaniards haven't had much to choose from and Repsol has been spoon-feeding them Pedrosa for the last few years spending zillions on publicity; so naturally he's "popular" with the people of Spain. That's due to change next year - you'll see! If Jorge's bike is not second-rated and he jibes with the B-Stones - Spaniards are going to be supporting Jorge 'cause he's a winner and a fighter. The Spanish like a guy with fight. Pedrosa's only talent is running away from the battle. Come to think of it maybe he's a closet Frenchman.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 11 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't punch a man under 5'.

Them's the rules.
Of course not. It's much more entertaining to toss them or punt them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 11 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't punch a man under 5'.

Them's the rules.
Pedrosa's 5' 2", so he's fair game.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Nov 11 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you should try getting out of your little world orbiting around Kentucky and consider there's other countries in the world. Try Spanish sites and you'll find thousands.

maybe he doesn't speak Spanish

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mastodon @ Nov 12 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe he doesn't speak Spanish

Teo I didn't know you had that big of a crush on Dani! There is hardly anyone in motorsport who has less fan sites or hits than Dani. So it isnt just America boy genius, there just isn't much about Dani to like. He's a weasel, and I am guessing most of his fans follow suit.

The drama that we have to look forward to in 09.

As of right now it looks like Dani will have more pull in his corner(Repsol, Puig, and Dorna) than his Italian teammate. Dovi needs the support of his fellow county men. Maybe Vale will give him some of his doctored tires

Admittedly I'm not a big Pedrosa fan and my only GP experience outside the US was in Valencia. But all 140,000 there on race day were Pedrosa fans. I think this forum has a very skewed perspective being english (language, not geographical). Based on what I've read and my experience, Pedrosa is massive. My feeling is that because most "english first" speakers favor Rossi, Hayden or Stoner, we often ignore the fact that there are millions of fans who don't speak english and are huge fans of Pedrosa, Gibernau or Biaggi.

If this forum was filled with people speaking spanish, I would be very surprised if the common name occurring in this thread was Nicky Hayden and not Dani Pedrosa.

EDIT: I thought this was the most disliked rider in MotoGP thread because of all the negative Pedrosa talk. Sorry. My point still makes a little sense.

It isn’t inconceivable that Dovi targets Dani in a positive way and manages to convince him to get rid of Puig.

If they do become good friends I would think that Puig would have reason to be concerned. However I would imagine that Puig is aware of this and will do all in his power to avoid a friendship but I think Dovi is aware of this too.

So it could become interesting in the future if Dani does not fare too well because he might just start to seek advice from other sources.

All hypothetical of course.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Nov 11 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't punch a man with glasses.

You can't punch a child/woman.

You can't punch a man under 5'.

Them's the rules.

Your rules maybe...in MY WORLD, if some little .... with a Napoleon complex is flapping his lips he gets busted in the mouth... period.

Good on ya, Dovi! Try to take the high road and just race.

I think Dani's a fine rider, but he isn't my cuppa. Jorge on the other hand just seems to have more personality (or cojones?)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 12 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Admittedly I'm not a big Pedrosa fan and my only GP experience outside the US was in Valencia. But all 140,000 there on race day were Pedrosa fans. I think this forum has a very skewed perspective being english (language, not geographical). Based on what I've read and my experience, Pedrosa is massive. My feeling is that because most "english first" speakers favor Rossi, Hayden or Stoner, we often ignore the fact that there are millions of fans who don't speak english and are huge fans of Pedrosa, Gibernau or Biaggi.

Interesting. I did Valencia this year and the focus of both the track commentators and the Spanish press was solely on the Spanish riders and Valentino of course. Same when I did Barcelona last year. However what I noted was that this year I saw far less Pedrosa gear and he didn't much of a cheer at all from the crowd. As much as the track commentator tried...
I know Barca is his home race and the Valencians will support their boys first, but considering the strong nationalism of the Spanish in their fan support it was striking.
I also heard from some English-speaking Spanish fans that Dani is not the most popular rider with the Spanish fans either (any more). Guys like Lorenzo and Bautista are. And that that is because of Puig and his less than exciting personality. Oh and for not bagging a title

I totally agree that we have a language bias to some extent. Some of us are from the UK, US or Oz and support equally nationalistic. But I do I think that we get more objective coverage (both TV and written/online media) with much coverage focussing on the grid as a whole and consequently most of us appreciate riders for what they do, not for their passport.

And I always loved Gibbers! I'm freaking happy he is back (without the fishy mouth )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Nov 13 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. I did Valencia this year and the focus of both the track commentators and the Spanish press was solely on the Spanish riders and Valentino of course. Same when I did Barcelona last year. However what I noted was that this year I saw far less Pedrosa gear and he didn't much of a cheer at all from the crowd. As much as the track commentator tried...
I know Barca is his home race and the Valencians will support their boys first, but considering the strong nationalism of the Spanish in their fan support it was striking.
I also heard from some English-speaking Spanish fans that Dani is not the most popular rider with the Spanish fans either (any more). Guys like Lorenzo and Bautista are. And that that is because of Puig and his less than exciting personality. Oh and for not bagging a title

I totally agree that we have a language bias to some extent. Some of us are from the UK, US or Oz and support equally nationalistic. But I do I think that we get more objective coverage (both TV and written/online media) with much coverage focussing on the grid as a whole and consequently most of us appreciate riders for what they do, not for their passport.

And I always loved Gibbers! I'm freaking happy he is back (without the fishy mouth )
Yeah I agree with what you're saying. The coverage is pretty good, for us die hards we get all the news we need on everyone from Rossi to Westy and we can make an informed decision. My point is that I think you'll find that the majority of the members here are either Rossi, Stoner or Hayden fans. Valentino fans would have a gripe with him as he was touted as the next Rossi. Stoner fans would have a gripe with him as they were 250 rivals and came up together. And Hayden fans have a gripe for the Estoril incident and the lack of a team environment surrounding the two. So when you're entire forum is made up of people biased against Pedrosa, it's not exactly a proper representation of his fanbase.

Although it doesn't surprise me that his popularity in Spain is falling with the rise of Lorenzo and Bautista.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Nov 11 2008, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To be precise, Spain doesn't mean other countries. It's another country.

Dani is only liked in Spain.

Even that, I don't understand. Surely Lorenzo would be more appealing to the Spaniards?

Dani is indeed massive in Spain - excuse the oxymoron. Having said that, Spain isn't simply another homogenous country, Spains 'national' identity is comprised of a maze of regional identities as opposed to a sole distinct Spanish one..in fact some of these conflict with the ideal of a single Spanish individuality, so when Dani or Sete race at Jerez because they are Catalan, they are effectively abroad. Dani was booed there some years ago for brandishing a Catalan flag, so he's definitely not universally liked in Spain. Having said that, in this instance he was booed over a show of regional/cultural expression, as opposed to the brickyard where it was largely for being an obnoxious conniving little .... with an apartment up Alberto Puig's ........

As to why Lorenzo is not more popular than Dani in Spain, they are both Catalan - so who knows, give it time. There has been a tremendous war of words in the Spanish press since they both locked horns in 250cc, much of it driven by Jorge's manager Danny Amatrian. Given Lorenzo's showmanship and magnetism next to Dani's obvious charisma bypass and sour demeanor this question is a perplexing one. I've always said like Lawson, Dani is a man of few words, and he does his talking on the track....or at least he did on a 2 stroke..of late his racing lexicon has clearly had its limitations in the big class.

your deduction is crap....How do you explain a person like me?... Born in USA, Spanish blood, from Texas?

I like all the riders less Perdo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 13 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your deduction is crap....How do you explain a person like me?... Born in USA, Spanish blood, from Texas?

I like all the riders less Perdo
I bet if Dani was 7'1" he'd be your favorite rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 13 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I bet if Dani was 7'1" he'd be your favorite rider.

If Dani was 7.1 Honda would have never gone to the 800s

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Nov 13 2008, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I agree with what you're saying. The coverage is pretty good, for us die hards we get all the news we need on everyone from Rossi to Westy and we can make an informed decision. My point is that I think you'll find that the majority of the members here are either Rossi, Stoner or Hayden fans. Valentino fans would have a gripe with him as he was touted as the next Rossi. Stoner fans would have a gripe with him as they were 250 rivals and came up together. And Hayden fans have a gripe for the Estoril incident and the lack of a team environment surrounding the two. So when you're entire forum is made up of people biased against Pedrosa, it's not exactly a proper representation of his fanbase.

Although it doesn't surprise me that his popularity in Spain is falling with the rise of Lorenzo and Bautista.

You make us (Hayden fans) sound shallow. It isn't just the Estoril, its Puig's episodes and ........ interviews, it's Dani talking non-stop .... about Hayden, it's the team environment that isn't there and is a creation of Pedrosa, it's the attitude, it's the fact that Hayden is disrespected and the list goes on and on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Nov 13 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Dani was 7.1 Honda would have never gone to the 800s
Damnit. Why couldn't he have been taller?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Nov 13 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You make us (Hayden fans) sound shallow. It isn't just the Estoril, its Puig's episodes and ........ interviews, it's Dani talking non-stop .... about Hayden, it's the team environment that isn't there and is a creation of Pedrosa, it's the attitude, it's the fact that Hayden is disrespected and the list goes on and on.
That wasn't my intent, Estoril is just a single word that generally sums up the emotion many Hayden fans feel towards Pedrosa.

Estoril deffo sums it up, and it is shame because originally I didn't mind Dani at all.
He was (and is) a good rider and I was quite impressed actually in 2006 how he got on with the bike considering his size, and he has had some stellar (if boring) rides since. I still recognise his talent, I just don't like the politics around him, obviously he does and as such I can't stand him.