Does anyone actually belive that Stoner choked under pressure???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 19 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, rossi suffered the embarassment of chocking at the hands of Randy De Puniet


ouch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 19 2008, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know it's all in good fun lads, but keep throwing the .... around and eventually it's going to get in your mouth.

Excellent!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 19 2008, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea, rossi suffered the embarassment of chocking at the hands of Randy De Puniet
the point being wise ... is , by overtaking ect you have to use different lines try and out brake ect. when you out front with a 1 sec lead you can stay on your ideal line and keep your flow.

who's your favorite rider this week tom ??

Rog, this is a ........ thread man. I'm out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 19 2008, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who's your favorite rider this week tom ??

it's funny how everyone who is involved in Moto GP professionally says the pressure got to him...ie Mick Doohan, Randy Mamola, Rossi, people who actually race in Moto GP. One would think they have a good idea as to why Stoner lost it. In the press after the race Stoner said he knew Rossi was cutting down the gap little by little, he said he had to push hard to open up the gap or at least keep it steady but by doing so made a 'mistake'. What do you think a mistake means....A lapse of concentration, maybe because he had Rossi on his mind? meaning he felt pressured to push harder than what he was capable of , thus low siding the ducati. And maybe, just maybe Laguna Seca had a bigger impact on him than you Stoner fans would like to admit... and he did not want a repeat of Laguna Seca so in order for that not to happen again, he tried to runaway from Valentino's grasp.... but he failed. Now, i'm not picking sides at all, i think the 2 of them needs eachother whether they know it or not right now. Valentino needs to be challenged or else he gets bored with racing, and Stoner needs someone like Valentino to pressure him so that he learns to deal with it and become a better racer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 19 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who's your favorite rider this week tom ??

Rossi

Casey Stoner, used to be Crashy Stoner. Given that he always seems to be pushing 100%, I am surprised that he has not crashed more often -- especially last year. Honestly, even with all that Duc's top speed, I don't think Stoner is confident enough to push Rossi from behind. He should try that next time, instead of pushing hard at the front and crashing out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 19 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog, this is a ........ thread man. I'm out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 20 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's funny how everyone who is involved in Moto GP professionally says the pressure got to him...ie Mick Doohan, Randy Mamola, Rossi, people who actually race in Moto GP. One would think they have a good idea as to why Stoner lost it. In the press after the race Stoner said he knew Rossi was cutting down the gap little by little, he said he had to push hard to open up the gap or at least keep it steady but by doing so made a 'mistake'. What do you think a mistake means....A lapse of concentration, maybe because he had Rossi on his mind? meaning he felt pressured to push harder than what he was capable of , thus low siding the ducati. And maybe, just maybe Laguna Seca had a bigger impact on him than you Stoner fans would like to admit... and he did not want a repeat of Laguna Seca so in order for that not to happen again, he tried to runaway from Valentino's grasp.... but he failed. Now, i'm not picking sides at all, i think the 2 of them needs eachother whether they know it or not right now. Valentino needs to be challenged or else he gets bored with racing, and Stoner needs someone like Valentino to pressure him so that he learns to deal with it and become a better racer.

This is one comment I perfectly agree with. I guess it is not good to use the word "choke". They were doing what they were supposed to do. And, in that process one is bound to lose. It is a fight. And, on Sunday it was not Stoner's day. Simple.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Aug 19 2008, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes it does happen...it's called CHOKING


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 19 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who's your favorite rider this week tom ??

Hahaha, every single thread I end up laughing like a little tart. And as to whether Stoner choked or not, well, who knows? Who cares? I just want to see more racing like Laguna.

Stoner had to push hard to stay ahead of Rossi and win, but he made a mistake and fell. As easy as that.

I hope this won't make him play the rest of the season safe, nor do I wish that he starts crashing all the time! This would make the chance of Rossi winning the championship to rise from 95% to 100%

But I belive he'll recover. Would be sad if he didn't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 20 2008, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.....
who's your favorite rider this week tom ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 20 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi

And what happened to DeAngelis Tom ?? And who is that guy in your avatar ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Val_46 @ Aug 19 2008, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Cos i do

Part of me says yes but part of me says no.
in Laguna Seca, definatly yes!
but in Brno, it could have been but to me it just looked more like Casey touched the paintwork on the track so it could have been a mistake.
However, only Casey himself will know the true answer to this

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 19 2008, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And what happened to DeAngelis Tom ?? And who is that guy in your avatar ??

DeAngelis' momentum has been clipped a bit from his injury at Laguna, and Rossi's performance was more exciting this week.

And so you don't have to ask again, Lorenzo ALWAYS remains favorite

Stoner didn't choke, the electronics choked

I guess that's really the only fair answer. If he wins b/c of the electronics he chokes because of them as well.

Personally, I'm glad he choked. Ezy was lining Rossi and himself up for a big round of applause from the peanut gallery for brokering a tire deal to save the sport. It seems that using Stoner's late charge after screwing him out of the competitive advantage he gained for himself (when he inked with Ducati) is a pretty despicable way for a governing official to bring glory upon himself. Furthermore, I'm of the opinion that there is evidence and the legislative means to suggest that Ezy did more with the tires than simply hand B-stones to Rossi.

I'm quite glad that Stoner has burst the championship bubble and made sure that attendance remains low for the remainder of the season. I know it's vindictive, but I don't want any credence lent to the 800cc masquerade that DORNA have allowed to be created.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 20 2008, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DeAngelis' momentum has been clipped a bit from his injury at Laguna, and Rossi's performance was more exciting this week.

And so you don't have to ask again, Lorenzo ALWAYS remains favorite

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 19 2008, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah the difference is rossi was over taking someone stoner was not,he was all alone up the front. see the difference.
Point being that he was trying to go thru a turn and just lost the front. I don't think that was a choke really any more than what happened to stoner. NOW depoonya ...... chokes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 19 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's funny how everyone who is involved in Moto GP professionally says the pressure got to him...ie Mick Doohan, Randy Mamola, Rossi, people who actually race in Moto GP. One would think they have a good idea as to why Stoner lost it. In the press after the race Stoner said he knew Rossi was cutting down the gap little by little, he said he had to push hard to open up the gap or at least keep it steady but by doing so made a 'mistake'. What do you think a mistake means....A lapse of concentration, maybe because he had Rossi on his mind? meaning he felt pressured to push harder than what he was capable of , thus low siding the ducati. And maybe, just maybe Laguna Seca had a bigger impact on him than you Stoner fans would like to admit... and he did not want a repeat of Laguna Seca so in order for that not to happen again, he tried to runaway from Valentino's grasp.... but he failed. Now, i'm not picking sides at all, i think the 2 of them needs eachother whether they know it or not right now. Valentino needs to be challenged or else he gets bored with racing, and Stoner needs someone like Valentino to pressure him so that he learns to deal with it and become a better racer.

What you say is just fine but <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>What do you think a mistake means....A lapse of concentration, maybe because he had Rossi on his mind?
A mistake means the slightest misscalculation, the most minor change in push on the steering, or pressure on the brake handle or a dozen other possibilities. Pushing hard is a gamble thay sometimes doesn't pay off, they all know that and a crash is not a choke it's a gamble that didn't pay off and that's fine if the odds are 100:1 or something in that order as is the case with Stoner and Rossi. It's not ok if the odds are 1:1 as the case is with RDP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 19 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Point being that he was trying to go thru a turn and just lost the front. I don't think that was a choke really any more than what happened to stoner. NOW depoonya ...... chokes.
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