From Matt's Twitter:
MatMladinagain, this is not Nascar, the CARSH [typo] CAR cannot work until many changes are made. Unfortunately DMG wont listen to the people that are out there, (the racers), so in all probability it won't get fixed. These people have absolutely no clue. Glad the season is almost over.
about 1 hour ago from web
MatMladinagain, this is not Nascar, the CARSH [typo] CAR cannot work until many changes are made. Unfortunately DMG wont listen to the people that are out there, (the racers), so in all probability it won't get fixed. These people have absolutely no clue. Glad the season is almost over.
about 1 hour ago from web
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It was a cluster ....,the driver of the safety car didnt have a clue. They went to one of the million commercial breaks to hide the ineptness of the moment. Mladin sounds done to me. He is not having fun running Superstock and obviously still has a hard on for DMG [who doesnt].
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 6 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was a cluster ....,the driver of the safety car didnt have a clue. They went to one of the million commercial breaks to hide the ineptness of the moment. Mladin sounds done to me. He is not having fun running Superstock and obviously still has a hard on for DMG [who doesnt].
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I was afraid of this when they took over. I also saw the field blasting by that SUV on TV, how scary!
Sadly, these people will not give up any time soon.
The dictatorship style of the France family just does not belong where cooperation is needed between participants and leaders.
If europeans were laughing at them as soup says, then hopefully DMG takes it as a lesson and cleans up the act.
Sadly, these people will not give up any time soon.
The dictatorship style of the France family just does not belong where cooperation is needed between participants and leaders.
If europeans were laughing at them as soup says, then hopefully DMG takes it as a lesson and cleans up the act.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jul 6 2009, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was afraid of this when they took over. I also saw the field blasting by that SUV on TV, how scary!
Sadly, these people will not give up any time soon.
I still remember Mladin at Road Atlanta when the Ambulance came on track a few years back. Pucker factor of 12...
Sadly, these people will not give up any time soon.
I still remember Mladin at Road Atlanta when the Ambulance came on track a few years back. Pucker factor of 12...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Jul 6 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I still remember Mladin at Road Atlanta when the Ambulance came on track a few years back. Pucker factor of 12...
I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I was actually sitting at the end of the back straight because that is where the majority of passing happens and i love to see them come down the hill sideways at triple digits. I saw the ambulance right in front of where i was sitting and Mladin topped the hill wide open. Some of the best riding i have seen up until he fell over at 5 mph in the trap.
I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I was actually sitting at the end of the back straight because that is where the majority of passing happens and i love to see them come down the hill sideways at triple digits. I saw the ambulance right in front of where i was sitting and Mladin topped the hill wide open. Some of the best riding i have seen up until he fell over at 5 mph in the trap.
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So how long do you think it will be before anyone left in DMG with a marketable name or any sort of future in the sport jumps ship for BSB or WSBK/WSS? Maybe a better question is how many recognizable names will there be in DMG next season? Over/under six.
EDIT: Recognizable names, meaning riders you want to see, not Danny Eslick and Martin Cardenas.
EDIT: Recognizable names, meaning riders you want to see, not Danny Eslick and Martin Cardenas.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 6 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I was actually sitting at the end of the back straight because that is where the majority of passing happens and i love to see them come down the hill sideways at triple digits. I saw the ambulance right in front of where i was sitting and Mladin topped the hill wide open. Some of the best riding i have seen up until he fell over at 5 mph in the trap.
I'm pretty sure I was watching it live on TV. I about crapped myself. I couldn't imagine what went through his head.
I haven't been to road atlanta since 92, I think, when Formula USA was there with the Marlboro Roberts 500cc bikes.
I'm pretty sure I was watching it live on TV. I about crapped myself. I couldn't imagine what went through his head.
I haven't been to road atlanta since 92, I think, when Formula USA was there with the Marlboro Roberts 500cc bikes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 6 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So how long do you think it will be before anyone left in DMG with a marketable name or any sort of future in the sport jumps ship for BSB or WSBK/WSS? Maybe a better question is how many recognizable names will there be in DMG next season? Over/under six.
EDIT: Recognizable names, meaning riders you want to see, not Danny Eslick and Martin Cardenas.
I think it will be a Yamaha Cup next year. They will be the only ones left. (If the even come back). Some riders may be back next year due to no real openings, but after that...
I think Ducati will be back with Pegram. I don't really see any other options for him.
Bostrom: Never know with him
John Hayes: should get a ride somewhere else.
Tommy Hayden: Not sure where he could get a ride
RL Hayden: Same
Aquino: Still to young to get a ride anywhere else
EDIT: Recognizable names, meaning riders you want to see, not Danny Eslick and Martin Cardenas.
I think it will be a Yamaha Cup next year. They will be the only ones left. (If the even come back). Some riders may be back next year due to no real openings, but after that...
I think Ducati will be back with Pegram. I don't really see any other options for him.
Bostrom: Never know with him
John Hayes: should get a ride somewhere else.
Tommy Hayden: Not sure where he could get a ride
RL Hayden: Same
Aquino: Still to young to get a ride anywhere else
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Jul 6 2009, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it will be a Yamaha Cup next year. They will be the only ones left. (If the even come back). Some riders may be back next year due to no real openings, but after that...
I think Ducati will be back with Pegram. I don't really see any other options for him.
Bostrom: Never know with him
John Hayes: should get a ride somewhere else.
Tommy Hayden: Not sure where he could get a ride
RL Hayden: Same
Aquino: Still to young to get a ride anywhere else
That was my thought. I tried to name names and see who would end up where but there is such a gap in age and talent.
Mladin will retire. Blake Young should go to BSB or WSBK. Tommy Hayden has a good family name but has never really delivered on a big bike. He might be one to take the money and stay. Josh Hayes likely won't have any better options than to remain with Yamaha. Ben Bostrom will either stay or hang it up, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him call it quits when his contract expires (which now that I think about it, is probably after 2010). Jamie Hacking will do anything he can to get to WSBK. Roger Hayden is in a similar situation to Tommy. Jake Zemke hasn't proved his worth on his WSBK stints with Stiggy, I don't think he sees any better opportunities than what he has now. Aaron Yates is quite comfortable with Jordan, I think he stays.
And then you get into the young kids like Aquino, Herrin, Peris and the even younger guys. It probably makes a lot of sense for the youngest of the young to stick around with all the parity and cost-cutting in the series. But for guys around Herrin's age, what do you do? Stay with the series that is being laughed at? Or take a leap of faith and head to Europe with a short resume and likely land a ride with a small outfit? Those are the guys who will live and die by DMG's incompetence.
I think Ducati will be back with Pegram. I don't really see any other options for him.
Bostrom: Never know with him
John Hayes: should get a ride somewhere else.
Tommy Hayden: Not sure where he could get a ride
RL Hayden: Same
Aquino: Still to young to get a ride anywhere else
That was my thought. I tried to name names and see who would end up where but there is such a gap in age and talent.
Mladin will retire. Blake Young should go to BSB or WSBK. Tommy Hayden has a good family name but has never really delivered on a big bike. He might be one to take the money and stay. Josh Hayes likely won't have any better options than to remain with Yamaha. Ben Bostrom will either stay or hang it up, I wouldn't be too surprised to see him call it quits when his contract expires (which now that I think about it, is probably after 2010). Jamie Hacking will do anything he can to get to WSBK. Roger Hayden is in a similar situation to Tommy. Jake Zemke hasn't proved his worth on his WSBK stints with Stiggy, I don't think he sees any better opportunities than what he has now. Aaron Yates is quite comfortable with Jordan, I think he stays.
And then you get into the young kids like Aquino, Herrin, Peris and the even younger guys. It probably makes a lot of sense for the youngest of the young to stick around with all the parity and cost-cutting in the series. But for guys around Herrin's age, what do you do? Stay with the series that is being laughed at? Or take a leap of faith and head to Europe with a short resume and likely land a ride with a small outfit? Those are the guys who will live and die by DMG's incompetence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jul 7 2009, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All I know right now is that professional road racing in the US is pathetic. <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%If there ever was a time for a rival series in the US it's now, but where would they race?
now is defo the time... i really feel sorry for the racers cause they are royaly getting .......
now is defo the time... i really feel sorry for the racers cause they are royaly getting .......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 7 2009, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>now is defo the time... i really feel sorry for the racers cause they are royaly getting .......
What harm has been done to American riders?
None. The only people who have been "harmed" are the unintelligent speed jocks and the righteously indignant veterans. Unfortunately, the 2009 season has proven that speed jocks and indignant vets are nearly all that remain in the AMA (thanks to the old system).
The bikes are slightly slower and the safety has not been drastically improved b/c AMA stewards can't seem to figure out proper safety car procedure.
But anyone who is actually passionate about racing has been given a huge lift by DMG's arrival. The equipment is cheaper, the pay has risen, and all riders have access to the exact same equipment. If any of the numskulls in the AMA had business sense, they would set up their own teams like the privateers of old----most of the 21st century privateers would be rider-owners.
AMA fans and participants are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The sport was hijacked by the big 4 American distributors. The riders, techs, and officials were used to create a perverted country club that resembled a professional racing series.
DMG bought Augusta National and turned the Masters into an open. You and your ilk resemble the sweatervest-wearing .........s who stroll the grounds reminiscing about how much better the club used to be when it had a wall around it and the powerful members decided who was good enough to join.
Do you really want to model yourself after the country club archetype?
This entire AMA battle is nothing more than class warfare propagated by the xenophobic old guard. It has been a crucifixion of the blue collar racing fans who may not understand the finer nuances of the sport (NASCAR crowd); though, a careful inspection of the recent turmoil reveals that it has little to do with NASCAR. Now that AMA pro racing is not designed to guarantee distributor victories, the big 4 have suddenly lost interest.
The riders are better off, but their vanity was offended when DMG abolished the AMA caste system. Do you know how hard the elite riders had to ride (and politick) to be inducted into the AMA cartel? Damn, and now it's all gone. What a tragedy. Let's hang Roger.
What harm has been done to American riders?
None. The only people who have been "harmed" are the unintelligent speed jocks and the righteously indignant veterans. Unfortunately, the 2009 season has proven that speed jocks and indignant vets are nearly all that remain in the AMA (thanks to the old system).
The bikes are slightly slower and the safety has not been drastically improved b/c AMA stewards can't seem to figure out proper safety car procedure.
But anyone who is actually passionate about racing has been given a huge lift by DMG's arrival. The equipment is cheaper, the pay has risen, and all riders have access to the exact same equipment. If any of the numskulls in the AMA had business sense, they would set up their own teams like the privateers of old----most of the 21st century privateers would be rider-owners.
AMA fans and participants are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The sport was hijacked by the big 4 American distributors. The riders, techs, and officials were used to create a perverted country club that resembled a professional racing series.
DMG bought Augusta National and turned the Masters into an open. You and your ilk resemble the sweatervest-wearing .........s who stroll the grounds reminiscing about how much better the club used to be when it had a wall around it and the powerful members decided who was good enough to join.
Do you really want to model yourself after the country club archetype?
This entire AMA battle is nothing more than class warfare propagated by the xenophobic old guard. It has been a crucifixion of the blue collar racing fans who may not understand the finer nuances of the sport (NASCAR crowd); though, a careful inspection of the recent turmoil reveals that it has little to do with NASCAR. Now that AMA pro racing is not designed to guarantee distributor victories, the big 4 have suddenly lost interest.
The riders are better off, but their vanity was offended when DMG abolished the AMA caste system. Do you know how hard the elite riders had to ride (and politick) to be inducted into the AMA cartel? Damn, and now it's all gone. What a tragedy. Let's hang Roger.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 7 2009, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What harm has been done to American riders?
None. The only people who have been "harmed" are the unintelligent speed jocks and the righteously indignant veterans. Unfortunately, the 2009 season has proven that speed jocks and indignant vets are nearly all that remain in the AMA (thanks to the old system).
The bikes are slightly slower and the safety has not been drastically improved b/c AMA stewards can't seem to figure out proper safety car procedure.
But anyone who is actually passionate about racing has been given a huge lift by DMG's arrival. The equipment is cheaper, the pay has risen, and all riders have access to the exact same equipment. If any of the numskulls in the AMA had business sense, they would set up their own teams like the privateers of old----most of the 21st century privateers would be rider-owners.
AMA fans and participants are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The sport was hijacked by the big 4 American distributors. The riders, techs, and officials were used to create a perverted country club that resembled a professional racing series.
DMG bought Augusta National and turned the Masters into an open. You and your ilk resemble the sweatervest-wearing .........s who stroll the grounds reminiscing about how much better the club used to be when it had a wall around it and the powerful members decided who was good enough to join.
Do you really want to model yourself after the country club archetype?
This entire AMA battle is nothing more than class warfare propagated by the xenophobic old guard. It has been a crucifixion of the blue collar racing fans who may not understand the finer nuances of the sport (NASCAR crowd); though, a careful inspection of the recent turmoil reveals that it has little to do with NASCAR. Now that AMA pro racing is not designed to guarantee distributor victories, the big 4 have suddenly lost interest.
The riders are better off, but their vanity was offended when DMG abolished the AMA caste system. Do you know how hard the elite riders had to ride (and politick) to be inducted into the AMA cartel? Damn, and now it's all gone. What a tragedy. Let's hang Roger.
Yes, i prefer the old system, and all of its warts over this clusterfuck!
None. The only people who have been "harmed" are the unintelligent speed jocks and the righteously indignant veterans. Unfortunately, the 2009 season has proven that speed jocks and indignant vets are nearly all that remain in the AMA (thanks to the old system).
The bikes are slightly slower and the safety has not been drastically improved b/c AMA stewards can't seem to figure out proper safety car procedure.
But anyone who is actually passionate about racing has been given a huge lift by DMG's arrival. The equipment is cheaper, the pay has risen, and all riders have access to the exact same equipment. If any of the numskulls in the AMA had business sense, they would set up their own teams like the privateers of old----most of the 21st century privateers would be rider-owners.
AMA fans and participants are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The sport was hijacked by the big 4 American distributors. The riders, techs, and officials were used to create a perverted country club that resembled a professional racing series.
DMG bought Augusta National and turned the Masters into an open. You and your ilk resemble the sweatervest-wearing .........s who stroll the grounds reminiscing about how much better the club used to be when it had a wall around it and the powerful members decided who was good enough to join.
Do you really want to model yourself after the country club archetype?
This entire AMA battle is nothing more than class warfare propagated by the xenophobic old guard. It has been a crucifixion of the blue collar racing fans who may not understand the finer nuances of the sport (NASCAR crowd); though, a careful inspection of the recent turmoil reveals that it has little to do with NASCAR. Now that AMA pro racing is not designed to guarantee distributor victories, the big 4 have suddenly lost interest.
The riders are better off, but their vanity was offended when DMG abolished the AMA caste system. Do you know how hard the elite riders had to ride (and politick) to be inducted into the AMA cartel? Damn, and now it's all gone. What a tragedy. Let's hang Roger.
Yes, i prefer the old system, and all of its warts over this clusterfuck!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 6 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mladin sounds done to me. He is not having fun running Superstock and obviously still has a hard on for DMG [who doesnt].
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2009, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, i prefer the old system, and all of its warts over this clusterfuck!
The problem with the AMA is not the new system. The problem is the lack of money flowing through the sport. DMG is already auctioning new properties like the pace bike in a desperate bid to find funding. It is difficult to hire full-time professional race personnel when the sport hasn't got any money. It is difficult to upgrade tracks for WSBK spec equipment when the AMA draws few spectators. It is almost impossible to draw sponsors when the AMA has no TV viewers.
The AMA green-lighted the sale of road racing when the distributors informed the AMA that manufacturer funding was drying up. The Japanese manufacturers pulled AMA race budgets way before the economic meltdown b/c the competitive environment in the AMA was abysmal.
The old system has brought the AMA to its knees. I can't say that Roger is doing much to help, but his ideas are worthwhile. A lot of the garbage we are seeing this year is the result of the feud during the off season. Proper SS is already returning for 2010.
The problem with the AMA is not the new system. The problem is the lack of money flowing through the sport. DMG is already auctioning new properties like the pace bike in a desperate bid to find funding. It is difficult to hire full-time professional race personnel when the sport hasn't got any money. It is difficult to upgrade tracks for WSBK spec equipment when the AMA draws few spectators. It is almost impossible to draw sponsors when the AMA has no TV viewers.
The AMA green-lighted the sale of road racing when the distributors informed the AMA that manufacturer funding was drying up. The Japanese manufacturers pulled AMA race budgets way before the economic meltdown b/c the competitive environment in the AMA was abysmal.
The old system has brought the AMA to its knees. I can't say that Roger is doing much to help, but his ideas are worthwhile. A lot of the garbage we are seeing this year is the result of the feud during the off season. Proper SS is already returning for 2010.
