dani - weight advantage or not???

For the record,i dont want any new rules because of Pedrosa's small stature.I was just stating the obvious that his small stature does give him an advantage.Is he good enough to capitalize on that advantage is the question.Its almost like Puig is making excuses for when Rossi kicks Dani's a@# again this year.This from a guy who went on record as saying
THE WRECK WAS HAYDENS FAULT.

To be fair, the people who bitched about danis weight adavntage last year where just making excuses for being beaten by him, so it balances out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 1 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No way, you guys talk about how you don't want motogp to be like F1, but if there was no weight limit then we would just watch the wealthiest team win every race. A weight limit is just the same as a capacity limit. Some parameters are needed to keep things safe and on the ground.
i understand your concern mate,but dont you think its ironic theres no power limit but there is a weight limit.
as im sure you no, theres two ways to up the power to weight ratio
1) tune in more power
2) reduce weight
but only one of these options is available to motogp teams,that seems ironic to me, for all we no teams like kr ,lcr.wcm ect may be more capable of reducing weight than making power.
i agree with frosty,"the sky is the limit" in prototype racing.

Interesting point there. I don't actually know what is cheaper between exotic lightweigh materials and engine development. I know which is easier for the Kr team. BUt limiting power and unlimited weight would be very interesting indeed.

well the power has been limited by reduction of engine cc's, at least for now. i read somewere around 20hp less, so next is remove the weight restrictions. i imagine the bikes could get thru the corners a bit quicker if the machines weighed less than they already are now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Mar 1 2007, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i imagine the bikes could get thru the corners a bit quicker if the machines weighed less than they already are now.
Hey maybe they will go to 990s next year to improve safety; and make the bikes safer by reducing the corner speed on the current bikes, eh?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 1 2007, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey maybe they will go to 990s next year to improve safety; and make the bikes safer by reducing the corner speed on the current bikes, eh?

Yeah, may be that… Plus increasing fuel capacity in order to have a little bit extra weight at the start of a race!

PD. In the name of safety.

There's a distinct advantage for smaller riders in the 800 cc era for MotoGP. Which is why I think it will be almost impossible for Nicky to repeat. Or for Toseland to do well in MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HopperPodium! @ Mar 6 2007, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's a distinct advantage for smaller riders in the 800 cc era for MotoGP. Which is why I think it will be almost impossible for Nicky to repeat. Or for Toseland to do well in MotoGP.
not so sure its as distinct as you think. there not that much lighter, i can see pro's and cons for both statures

did you see Pedrosa wrestling with his bike under braking ? he's not heavy enough to keep the back wheel on the ground and he's having to use his upper body strength to keep the back wheel where it should be - behind the front

he's not going to have the strength to do that 100% for a full race IMHO

I think that with the motos that there will be this year, he will have advantage for his height in particular. But Valentino is a champion...take care of him

Vale has already shown how strong the Yam is - I'll have a £5 of anyones money who would bet against him taking the title this year.

Alex Hoffman and Colin Edwards are both pretty big, and they seem to be going alright, so i wouldn't worry about big riders being at a disadvantage.

Pedrosa's weight (or lack of it) should be a help to him coz of the advantage it will give him in terms of acceleration.

The bikes getting smaller should help him even more now coz the weight of the 990cc Honda was possibly the only thing he struggled with other than the rain.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Mar 6 2007, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he's not going to have the strength to do that 100% for a full race IMHO
good thing that was'nt the case last season... aee

once again.....

Disadvantage, advantage, short, tall, fat, skinny.....matters not.

Dani is still a little PRICK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Mar 6 2007, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>once again.....

Disadvantage, advantage, short, tall, fat, skinny.....matters not.

Dani is still a little PRICK.

TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HopperPodium! @ Mar 6 2007, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There's a distinct advantage for smaller riders in the 800 cc era for MotoGP. Which is why I think it will be almost impossible for Nicky to repeat. Or for Toseland to do well in MotoGP.

A bike that is 4kg lighter and allready faster than the old 990 will give the dwarf Pedrosa such a huge advantage that the "giant" Hayden don't stand a chance...

The first excuse for why Hayden won't repeat this year, even before the season started.

With the bike weighing only a small number of kgs less than it did last year, I'd say it's not so much a question of Dani being advantaged compared to other riders than being at a lesser disadvantage than he was last year. The guy's barely five feet tall. He weighs less than nothing. Handling a bike which approaches 3 times your weight can't be easy. He's built like a girl. Or half a girl if you compare him to me. At the end of the day bikes are quite inclined to take off unless there's nothing pushing them towards the ground and Dani is pretty much next to nothing. No weight, no traction. On the other hand less weight, faster speed. It's hard or even impossible to tell where the balance lies. One thing I noticed about Dani last year is how he'd have to shift his weight forward and back on the bike to keep the wheels on the ground. Maybe the smaller size of the bike will give him a hand there, but I don't see that it gives him any massive advantage. I think Dani will be very strong this year. He had an impressive rookie year and I think it would really suck if merit were taken away from him just cos people are saying it'll be the bike. He did well enough last year and had the bikes not been changed I'd still think him Rossi's biggest challenger for the title.

Damn right