dani - weight advantage or not???

i actually agree here... advantage in a straight line yes but getting around corner, i dont think so.

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_new..._id=3&section=1

what do you guys think?

he has an advantage from his height and that he fits on the bike well.. it's not his fault that motogp decided to make the bikes smaller

wieght advantage?.. NO ....!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Feb 21 2007, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he has an advantage from his height and that he fits on the bike well.. it's not his fault that motogp decided to make the bikes smaller

no it was HONDAS plan for Asimo.

This topic is getting quite tiresome, if being a tiny guy is such an advantage why is all the grid taller than him? Shouldn't it be like jockeys?? (all a bunch of midgets)

Furthermore why is the champion normal sized? Why have all the champions since I can remeber been normal sized (Hayden, Rossi, Crivillé, Roberts, Doohan, Rainey ....)???

weight advantage or not, this years bike will lend to Dani's riding style, even his manager said so. I would expect him to be in the thick of many battles this year and a legit contender to win it all. I hate saying that because I'm not a Pedrosa fan, but give the little dude props, he can flat out ride a bike when he's not running into his teammate.

Interesting that Puig says Hayden is the one to beat. You always want to beat your teammate more than anyone else on the grid race day.

Every person has an advantage and disadvantage when riding when it comes to their weight. Like Pedrosa is so quick down the straights but in corners he's not as quick - now if you look at someone pretty big, well built and heavier they may not be as fast down the straights but in the corners they may exceed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Feb 21 2007, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>what do you guys think?
I think Alberto Puig is probably not the guy you want an unbiased opinion from in regards to Pedrosa.

based on seeing how he performed last year, I think Pedrosa is actually at a disadvantage when he is in hand-to-hand combat with the other racers as he cannot use brute force... so all that he has for him is to get out in front and try to leave the others behind.

I think he is at a disadvantage because a heavier, larger rider has weight that they can manipulate and move around to load/unload the bike as they choose. But he has a slight advantage at early acceleration, overall i think it balances out and makes almost no difference.

People like to point out how light he is but rarely last year did people mention how he was competative despite muscling around a bike that was pretty big compared to him.

"It (the bike) demands other things from the rider, like preparing better for the corner exit, for example."

Hopefully, for Dani, the new bike makes it easier to prepare for corner ENTRY...(sorry, couldnt help myself.. )

I think the weight advantage goes to Nicky Hayden. I am sure that if Dani (with an I) runs hayden off the road again Nicky will drop kick him straight to the big Honda in the sky.

Disadvantage, advantage, short, tall, fat, skinny.....matters not.

Dani is still a PRICK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yamahamer-AL @ Feb 21 2007, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Disadvantage, advantage, short, tall, fat, skinny.....matters not.

Dani is still a PRICK.

Harsh man, like him or not he is worthy of respect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 21 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Harsh man, like him or not he is worthy of respect.
Respect is earned. Once earned, retained by earning it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Feb 21 2007, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Respect is earned. Once earned, retained by earning it.


Your point being

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 21 2007, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your point being
Its rather clear.

well forgive me for bieng slow. Are you saying that you too find dani worthy of respect. Or that he in some way has not kept your respect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 21 2007, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well forgive me for bieng slow. Are you saying that you too find dani worthy of respect. Or that he in some way has not kept your respect.
Hi Tom, I don’t mean to be bellicose. I think I already said my peace on the topic. Respect is a loaded word. I don't know how else to explain it to you. There are plenty of athletes that do fantastic feats, but simply because they have the talent doesn't mean one should automatically give "respect". I find it much more meaningful to have respect earned beyond the scope of the sport at face value. I am aware that of course, we may not be too privy to what goes on beyond the surface; which means we only get a cursory sketch to go on. Having said that though, I personally perceive what I can and from that I render my conclusion as to who I do and who I don’t respect. Pedrosa is not somebody I have significant respect for at the moment, but I'm open to it as I have said before, however, Alberto Puig is not somebody I respect. Better?

Back on topic. I think there is a bit of an advantage regarding his weight and stature. But it's not his fault. But it maybe the fault of the powers that be if they in fact did change the rules to benefit a rider. Who knows. If he were to win though, I would not say it was due to an un-fair advantage.

They (HRC) can compensate the suspension to fit his weight. So loading the front or back is not justified.

Every rider can have an + or a - to the physics of riding/racing. He already proved last year that he can win right! Although Puig would like us to believe his size is holding him back.


I also call them both PRICKS!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Feb 21 2007, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't it be like jockeys?? (all a bunch of midgets)

Furthermore why is the champion normal sized? Why have all the champions since I can remeber been normal sized (Hayden, Rossi, Crivillé, Roberts, Doohan, Rainey ....)???
Interesting reasoning. But...its rather rare for somebody to both have raced bikes from an early age and still be 98 pounds as an adult in this sport while at their apex. I don't think one could conclude that "jockey" like weight and stature would have been an advantage since most of them were not this size, which is what you suggest. On top of that, the 500s were totally different then the current bikes. It may have required much more mass and muscle to handle the two-strokes. So no, the precedent champions where probably suited for their time. Which may or may not be the case for the current bikes. Which is the case. This is why it is debatable.