Who am I to say about a rider though. I can be quoted as saying Lewis Hamilton is hype, and is only good b/c he has a cheat car. What I say really can't be taken as a real analysis after saying that. So saying that, I think Dani is god. He is just toying with the field to get a feeling on the reactions of the crowd and riders when he kicks everyone's ... in 2008.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(D Wheeler @ Sep 18 2007, 07:51 AM) [snapback]91187[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dani won all his world championships on Hondas not aprillas, just look at Dovi and how hard he has to work on that Honda!
how has he had unbridled support? He is a super talented rider and just cos you don't like him doesn't mean he is not beta than everyone on that grid apart from Vale. sorry but its true, stoner had beta bikes in 250s and 125s and Dani was still to strong.
But you seem to forget that Honda have pretty much dumped the 250 and 125 programme this year to fix the MotoGP bike ...I don't think you can compare Dovi and Dani's support from Honda!
Stoner might have had beta bikes (and was therefore a beta tester ... ie in technology terms this can generally refer to it being "potentially unstable and not yet ready for release") but no doubt Dani had the better bikes!
When it's all said and done (and without speaking prematurely), Dani would trade his two 250 titles and his one 125 title (along with his left testicle) for a MotoGP title! As much as I love the smaller classes they are relatively insignificant when it comes to the premier class! Ask any of the riders and I'm sure they would all say the same thing .. otherwise why wouldn't those graduates just hang around in the smaller classes and continue to put the championship titles on their mantle pieces?!
I don't mind Dani as a rider ... in fact I'm warming to him! He has upped his level this year I believe!
Dani won all his world championships on Hondas not aprillas, just look at Dovi and how hard he has to work on that Honda!
how has he had unbridled support? He is a super talented rider and just cos you don't like him doesn't mean he is not beta than everyone on that grid apart from Vale. sorry but its true, stoner had beta bikes in 250s and 125s and Dani was still to strong.
But you seem to forget that Honda have pretty much dumped the 250 and 125 programme this year to fix the MotoGP bike ...I don't think you can compare Dovi and Dani's support from Honda!
Stoner might have had beta bikes (and was therefore a beta tester ... ie in technology terms this can generally refer to it being "potentially unstable and not yet ready for release") but no doubt Dani had the better bikes!
When it's all said and done (and without speaking prematurely), Dani would trade his two 250 titles and his one 125 title (along with his left testicle) for a MotoGP title! As much as I love the smaller classes they are relatively insignificant when it comes to the premier class! Ask any of the riders and I'm sure they would all say the same thing .. otherwise why wouldn't those graduates just hang around in the smaller classes and continue to put the championship titles on their mantle pieces?!
I don't mind Dani as a rider ... in fact I'm warming to him! He has upped his level this year I believe!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Sep 18 2007, 08:58 AM) [snapback]91198[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't mind Dani as a rider ... in fact I'm warming to him! He has upped his level this year I believe!
Yeah he's impressing me lots .... and the guy is running third behind Rossi and Stoner. Wish Dpun hadn't knocked the poor guy off.
I think I even forgive him for knocking Hayden off in 2006.
Hope he keeps progressing next year he's gunna be a danger.
I don't mind Dani as a rider ... in fact I'm warming to him! He has upped his level this year I believe!
Yeah he's impressing me lots .... and the guy is running third behind Rossi and Stoner. Wish Dpun hadn't knocked the poor guy off.
I think I even forgive him for knocking Hayden off in 2006.
Hope he keeps progressing next year he's gunna be a danger.
man i see it in racing all the time.... a guy is fast yeah he was fast in 125 and 250. you may say he was better than stoner, though stoner was on a smaller team in both 125 and 250s.
but its all about improvement. how much and how fast we improve.
i see new kids come here all the time, some show absolutly no talent and no potential. some who are fast just because the have been at it for a long time. then you see a kid who though may not be winning due to lack of experience, funds and equipment, but shows amazing potential.
i think pedrosa is at his limit in potential. but stoner has just started, remeber he has only been riding road bikes for a very short time. before that he used to race dirt bikes.
but its all about improvement. how much and how fast we improve.
i see new kids come here all the time, some show absolutly no talent and no potential. some who are fast just because the have been at it for a long time. then you see a kid who though may not be winning due to lack of experience, funds and equipment, but shows amazing potential.
i think pedrosa is at his limit in potential. but stoner has just started, remeber he has only been riding road bikes for a very short time. before that he used to race dirt bikes.
Dani's improved a hell of a lot this season IMO. Better wet weather rider and better for the fact that he hasn't had everything go his way. He realises now he's gonna have to earn his wins - not ride off into the sunset on superior machinery. He looked pretty good on the weekend, his late braking especially. Still think he's a spoilt little .... though, but in the end that means .... all. He can ride.
oh yeah we can all live in the past or we can live in the present. look at rodger federer, he won didly squat when he was 18 to 22. when other players in that age were winning tournaments and even grand slams. but people still picked him to be a future champion, why, because he had all the assests and potential to be a great champion.
when federers game matured and improved, he is now unbeatable.
pedrosa is a good enough rider to get a few wins here and there (a bit like hayden did), but he wont ever dominate a season.
when federers game matured and improved, he is now unbeatable.
pedrosa is a good enough rider to get a few wins here and there (a bit like hayden did), but he wont ever dominate a season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 18 2007, 02:16 AM) [snapback]91225[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
oh yeah we can all live in the past or we can live in the present. look at rodger federer, he won didly squat when he was 18 to 22. when other players in that age were winning tournaments and even grand slams. but people still picked him to be a future champion, why, because he had all the assests and potential to be a great champion.
when federers game matured and improved, he is now unbeatable.
pedrosa is a good enough rider to get a few wins here and there (a bit like hayden did), but he wont ever dominate a season.
this is just bull.. if Dani was on thew dam duck he would have done the same as Stoner.... how easy you forget how Dani kicked Stoners butt on same tires and pretty equal bikes... Stoner is riding great but he did come into the season with a huge advantage..
oh yeah we can all live in the past or we can live in the present. look at rodger federer, he won didly squat when he was 18 to 22. when other players in that age were winning tournaments and even grand slams. but people still picked him to be a future champion, why, because he had all the assests and potential to be a great champion.
when federers game matured and improved, he is now unbeatable.
pedrosa is a good enough rider to get a few wins here and there (a bit like hayden did), but he wont ever dominate a season.
this is just bull.. if Dani was on thew dam duck he would have done the same as Stoner.... how easy you forget how Dani kicked Stoners butt on same tires and pretty equal bikes... Stoner is riding great but he did come into the season with a huge advantage..
yeah live in the past buddy. just like roddick, hewitt, agassi etc whipped federer ... in 2001/2002. then federer improved and roddick cant even win a point against him now.
its how we improve thier riding that counts. anyway, well see next year. next year will be no excuses right?? or will that be 2009 or 2010, then there be a perfect bike for pedrosa
its how we improve thier riding that counts. anyway, well see next year. next year will be no excuses right?? or will that be 2009 or 2010, then there be a perfect bike for pedrosa
I don't think Dani has a psychological edge on anyone in the paddock. His riding has improved a lot this year, but he has to be willing to slam the thing up the inside when it counts. He is still lacking a little in this area, but other than that the guy has some serious talent. Until he is willing to put his balls on the line and rough it up no one will be concerned about a last lap battle with him. Rossi has it and Stoner has displayed it when necessary, if Dani can do it then watch out.
I reckon DP will be 'on it' in the next few races & the 08 season... he's been held back by the piss poor rc212v & now it's visibly improved he will be able to run at the front & win races. He's a great rider on his day & will be a future title contender
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 18 2007, 06:53 AM) [snapback]91222[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
man i see it in racing all the time.... a guy is fast yeah he was fast in 125 and 250. you may say he was better than stoner, though stoner was on a smaller team in both 125 and 250s.
but its all about improvement. how much and how fast we improve.
i see new kids come here all the time, some show absolutly no talent and no potential. some who are fast just because the have been at it for a long time. then you see a kid who though may not be winning due to lack of experience, funds and equipment, but shows amazing potential.
i think pedrosa is at his limit in potential. but stoner has just started, remeber he has only been riding road bikes for a very short time. before that he used to race dirt bikes.
damn, you really cant see past stoner,can you ?
man i see it in racing all the time.... a guy is fast yeah he was fast in 125 and 250. you may say he was better than stoner, though stoner was on a smaller team in both 125 and 250s.
but its all about improvement. how much and how fast we improve.
i see new kids come here all the time, some show absolutly no talent and no potential. some who are fast just because the have been at it for a long time. then you see a kid who though may not be winning due to lack of experience, funds and equipment, but shows amazing potential.
i think pedrosa is at his limit in potential. but stoner has just started, remeber he has only been riding road bikes for a very short time. before that he used to race dirt bikes.
damn, you really cant see past stoner,can you ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 18 2007, 04:08 AM) [snapback]91253[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
damn, you really cant see past stoner,can you ?
This is what im saying. This guy is talking about Stoner this Stoner that. why would you talk .... about Pedrosa not being good, but Stoner is way better. RIght? Dani kicking his ... all his career means nothing. Whatever..... did you see the last race? How easy Dani past him on the straight. WOW.. how things can change when the field is abit more levelled.
Im not taking anything away from Stoner. But you guys make me wanna point out that he does have the better race package. That the TC on the DUC is helping him not crash that much.
I mean come on... he use to crash on the damn 125s and 250s.... and in 990s... Stoner crashed so much that his pit crew would often make bets on what lap he would bend it.
Ok... thats a joke. Stoner is riding great.
damn, you really cant see past stoner,can you ?
This is what im saying. This guy is talking about Stoner this Stoner that. why would you talk .... about Pedrosa not being good, but Stoner is way better. RIght? Dani kicking his ... all his career means nothing. Whatever..... did you see the last race? How easy Dani past him on the straight. WOW.. how things can change when the field is abit more levelled.
Im not taking anything away from Stoner. But you guys make me wanna point out that he does have the better race package. That the TC on the DUC is helping him not crash that much.
I mean come on... he use to crash on the damn 125s and 250s.... and in 990s... Stoner crashed so much that his pit crew would often make bets on what lap he would bend it.
Ok... thats a joke. Stoner is riding great.
like i said the best rider is the one who makes the biggest improvement.
there are lots of junior champions everywhere, but never make it in the big time. yeah there mildy successfull but a junior champion dont necesarily mean you will be able to compete with the big boys.
also on the other hand riders or other sportsmen who wernt champions as juniors may then go on to be champions when they finally mature.
there are lots of junior champions everywhere, but never make it in the big time. yeah there mildy successfull but a junior champion dont necesarily mean you will be able to compete with the big boys.
also on the other hand riders or other sportsmen who wernt champions as juniors may then go on to be champions when they finally mature.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 18 2007, 10:11 AM) [snapback]91275[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
like i said the best rider is the one who makes the biggest improvement.
there are lots of junior champions everywhere, but never make it in the big time. yeah there mildy successfull but a junior champion dont necesarily mean you will be able to compete with the big boys.
also on the other hand riders or other sportsmen who wernt champions as juniors may then go on to be champions when they finally mature.
well dani has made vast improvements yet you give no credit there !you are only capable of giving credit to one person on the grid, fangirl
like i said the best rider is the one who makes the biggest improvement.
there are lots of junior champions everywhere, but never make it in the big time. yeah there mildy successfull but a junior champion dont necesarily mean you will be able to compete with the big boys.
also on the other hand riders or other sportsmen who wernt champions as juniors may then go on to be champions when they finally mature.
well dani has made vast improvements yet you give no credit there !you are only capable of giving credit to one person on the grid, fangirl
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 18 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]91290[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
and which wet race did he dominate this year??
now you clutching at straws, every body nows dani has made vast improvement in his wet skills,top 10 at donny in the wet is not to be sniffed at, and before you harp on about stoner winning there, i gave him full credit.
my point is you never give credit to anyone other than stoner even if credit is due.
which one are you
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wasn't china wet race, and didn't dani come 4th ?
cant remember which races were wet, seeming your trying to make the point dani is crap in the wet pink,i assume you have this info ?
make your case pinky !
and which wet race did he dominate this year??
now you clutching at straws, every body nows dani has made vast improvement in his wet skills,top 10 at donny in the wet is not to be sniffed at, and before you harp on about stoner winning there, i gave him full credit.
my point is you never give credit to anyone other than stoner even if credit is due.
which one are you
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wasn't china wet race, and didn't dani come 4th ?
cant remember which races were wet, seeming your trying to make the point dani is crap in the wet pink,i assume you have this info ?
make your case pinky !
Dani rode well,kept his head down and found the groove and looked smooth thru the whole race.Credit where credit due.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 18 2007, 07:47 PM) [snapback]91293[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
now you clutching at straws, every body nows dani has made vast improvement in his wet skills,top 10 at donny in the wet is not to be sniffed at, and before you harp on about stoner winning there, i gave him full credit.
my point is you never give credit to anyone other than stoner even if credit is due.
which one are you
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wasn't china wet race, and didn't dani come 4th ?
cant remember which races were wet, seeming your trying to make the point dani is crap in the wet pink,i assume you have this info ?
make your case pinky !
so which part of his racing has he improved then?
i'm saying he was good last year already, but he hasnt made much improvement this year
your saying stoner was CRAP last year and in 125 and 250's... that may be true.... which i dont agree anyway... but at least he has made major improvments to his riding from last season to this season and also during the season there has been noticable improvements.
now you clutching at straws, every body nows dani has made vast improvement in his wet skills,top 10 at donny in the wet is not to be sniffed at, and before you harp on about stoner winning there, i gave him full credit.
my point is you never give credit to anyone other than stoner even if credit is due.
which one are you
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wasn't china wet race, and didn't dani come 4th ?
cant remember which races were wet, seeming your trying to make the point dani is crap in the wet pink,i assume you have this info ?
make your case pinky !
so which part of his racing has he improved then?
i'm saying he was good last year already, but he hasnt made much improvement this year
your saying stoner was CRAP last year and in 125 and 250's... that may be true.... which i dont agree anyway... but at least he has made major improvments to his riding from last season to this season and also during the season there has been noticable improvements.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 18 2007, 11:08 AM) [snapback]91299[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so which part of his racing has he improved then?
i'm saying he was good last year already, but he hasnt made much improvement this year
your saying stoner was CRAP last year and in 125 and 250's... that may be true.... which i dont agree anyway... but at least he has made major improvments to his riding from last season to this season and also during the season there has been noticable improvements.
where have i said this ?
and ive already stated where i think dani has improved !
so which part of his racing has he improved then?
i'm saying he was good last year already, but he hasnt made much improvement this year
your saying stoner was CRAP last year and in 125 and 250's... that may be true.... which i dont agree anyway... but at least he has made major improvments to his riding from last season to this season and also during the season there has been noticable improvements.
where have i said this ?
and ive already stated where i think dani has improved !
ok agreed stoner has improved more than pedrosa in all conditions hence the reason he is dominating the championship
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