He looks to be back to his best now so does he have what it takes to win it again?
I think he can certainly win the title again, no question about that. But it depends on whether Rossi and Dani can build up speed too. I'd estimate that Stoner has about 40-50% chance to win the title given his current pace.
I think the same, i give Stoner 50% chances to retain the title, he is back on his winning streak again, with 3 victories , like Rossi, i give the other 50% to Rossi, as long he can manage to counter Stoner and get on the 1st position again , i don't see Pedrosa getting the title this year, but everything can happened
i think stoner has a strong chance of retaining his title but its an uphill task.it would not surprise me if it came down to a last race 3 way battle.
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id say he can its 50/50 now, before rossi's off i would have said 70/30 , but to consider the recent form of the stoner ducati pakage its 50/50 even with less points.... ducati have really pulled it out of the bag again for him and upped there game.
its hard to tell whats gonna happen its upto yamaha and honda now to find improvements for there riders.
if yam and honda find something id then say 60/40.
its hard to tell whats gonna happen its upto yamaha and honda now to find improvements for there riders.
if yam and honda find something id then say 60/40.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 28 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think stoner has a strong chance of retaining his title but its an uphill task.it would not surprise me if it came down to a last race 3 way battle.
You mean in the points and also on the track right
I am leaning towards Stoner retaining his title.
You mean in the points and also on the track right
I am leaning towards Stoner retaining his title.
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I agree that CS can absolutely retain his title, though there are some that would like that question phrased as: "The bike looks to be back to its best now, so does he have what it takes to win it again?"
And that's not fair to rider nor bike. Motorsports have had countless 'fit-like-a-glove' partnerships. Usually, the talent has already shown success elsewhere, as in the case of Fangio, Senna, Roberts Sr. While Stoner did have some success in 125s and 250s, he was not dominant in MotoGP until he joined Ducati. It's the extent of this domination that makes folks point directly and only to the machinery as the source of his success.
However, it may just be a perfect match between rider and bike. The fact that others can't ride it equally as well should be seen as a separate issue.
If I had a few wishes to cash in, I'd like to see Rossi and Stoner ride each other's bike with each other's setup. Then, let Rossi adjust the Duc and Stoner adjust the Yamaha and try it again. That would be fun.
Sorry for going off topic there.
And that's not fair to rider nor bike. Motorsports have had countless 'fit-like-a-glove' partnerships. Usually, the talent has already shown success elsewhere, as in the case of Fangio, Senna, Roberts Sr. While Stoner did have some success in 125s and 250s, he was not dominant in MotoGP until he joined Ducati. It's the extent of this domination that makes folks point directly and only to the machinery as the source of his success.
However, it may just be a perfect match between rider and bike. The fact that others can't ride it equally as well should be seen as a separate issue.
If I had a few wishes to cash in, I'd like to see Rossi and Stoner ride each other's bike with each other's setup. Then, let Rossi adjust the Duc and Stoner adjust the Yamaha and try it again. That would be fun.
Sorry for going off topic there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 28 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean in the points and also on the track right
I am leaning towards Stoner retaining his title.
if it goes between rossi dani and stoner for the championship in Valencia and stoner wins all hell will break loose. the booing at dony will be nothing in comparison.
my money is still on rossi.
I am leaning towards Stoner retaining his title.
if it goes between rossi dani and stoner for the championship in Valencia and stoner wins all hell will break loose. the booing at dony will be nothing in comparison.
my money is still on rossi.
before today - i would have said it was a tall order for Casey. It's not that I don't think he's upto it but he was going to have to take at least 5 points off rossi every single race to take it and barring acccidents [which we've just now had] i think it was a lot to ask.
i still can't write the guy off. he's looking as good as he did last year, confidence must be out the roof and the bike is working for him but for me i'd say rossi - pedrosa - stoner at the end of the season
i guess we'll see......
i still can't write the guy off. he's looking as good as he did last year, confidence must be out the roof and the bike is working for him but for me i'd say rossi - pedrosa - stoner at the end of the season
i guess we'll see......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 28 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think stoner has a strong chance of retaining his title but its an uphill task.it would not surprise me if it came down to a last race 3 way battle.
3 way battle at the end of season will be epic, so lets hope so
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3 way battle at the end of season will be epic, so lets hope so
Rossi and Pedrosa are more talented but nothing can stop the way Stoner got his bike hooked up electronically it seems... not even skill.
Half way point of the season, there is a long way to go.
With tracks like Sachsenring,Laguna Seca CS could close the points gap.
Pedrosa, George lawrence (Jorge Lorenzo) and ROSSI will be back...
With tracks like Sachsenring,Laguna Seca CS could close the points gap.
Pedrosa, George lawrence (Jorge Lorenzo) and ROSSI will be back...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jun 28 2008, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi and Pedrosa are more talented but nothing can stop the way Stoner got his bike hooked up electronically it seems... not even skill.
oh please
you're not fit to clean wash stoners bike let alone ride it - don't tell me it's nothing to do with skill.
oh please
you're not fit to clean wash stoners bike let alone ride it - don't tell me it's nothing to do with skill.
Before this race I was amongst those saying that VR would need to DNF and whilst that didn't happen the small amount of points collected were definitely close enough. But, there is also the small matter of one Dani Pedrosa who I feel many are writing off as a valid (or should that be legitimate) contender.
I still feel that both DP and VR have the upper hand at this stage, although Stoner is definitely in with a far better chance now that he was a few races ago. What a difference results make.
Can he still win it ................. Yes.
Garry
I still feel that both DP and VR have the upper hand at this stage, although Stoner is definitely in with a far better chance now that he was a few races ago. What a difference results make.
Can he still win it ................. Yes.
Garry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 28 2008, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Before this race I was amongst those saying that VR would need to DNF and whilst that didn't happen the small amount of points collected were definitely close enough. But, there is also the small matter of one Dani Pedrosa who I feel many are writing off as a valid (or should that be legitimate) contender.
I still feel that both DP and VR have the upper hand at this stage, although Stoner is definitely in with a far better chance now that he was a few races ago. What a difference results make.
Can he still win it ................. Yes.
Garry
i think that's more a case of wishful thinking on some people part because they dont like him
. you can't seriously write off someone who is now leading the championship imo.
I still feel that both DP and VR have the upper hand at this stage, although Stoner is definitely in with a far better chance now that he was a few races ago. What a difference results make.
Can he still win it ................. Yes.
Garry
i think that's more a case of wishful thinking on some people part because they dont like him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 29 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think that's more a case of wishful thinking on some people part because they dont like him
. you can't seriously write off someone who is now leading the championship imo.
Whilst no doubt many on here will laugh at or be upset by my next comments, I will make them any way.
If DP does win can we complain as it would mean four different champions in the last four years. As it is, if CS or NH don't win and VR does, we still have three in there years.
It has been a long time since we can say that (Doohan, Criville, KR'jr, VR).
Garry
Whilst no doubt many on here will laugh at or be upset by my next comments, I will make them any way.
If DP does win can we complain as it would mean four different champions in the last four years. As it is, if CS or NH don't win and VR does, we still have three in there years.
It has been a long time since we can say that (Doohan, Criville, KR'jr, VR).
Garry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 29 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whilst no doubt many on here will laugh at or be upset by my next comments, I will make them any way.
If DP does win can we complain as it would mean four different champions in the last four years. As it is, if CS or NH don't win and VR does, we still have three in there years.
It has been a long time since we can say that (Doohan, Criville, KR'jr, VR).
Garry
well if you dug up my old posts from last year you would see i said i didn't think any rider would dominate the championships now in this electronic era and i still believe this. a different champ every year now would not surprise me
If DP does win can we complain as it would mean four different champions in the last four years. As it is, if CS or NH don't win and VR does, we still have three in there years.
It has been a long time since we can say that (Doohan, Criville, KR'jr, VR).
Garry
well if you dug up my old posts from last year you would see i said i didn't think any rider would dominate the championships now in this electronic era and i still believe this. a different champ every year now would not surprise me
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MarcoDucati... @ Jun 28 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>off corse!!!
yes he can and will, all he needs to do is win every second race of the season. and have rossi and dani split the other, and hopefully horhey can come into the mix somewhere too.
coming back from 50 point deficit to rossi who will probably choke again before the seasons up, it will be better than winning last season
coming back from 50 point deficit to rossi who will probably choke again before the seasons up, it will be better than winning last season
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