Can Rossi beat Lorenzo at least once in a Race or Qualifying this season?

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Very well constructed post and already dissected by Jum.

 

I agree with much of what you say but had to take exception to this - it was hardly a 'simple compound change' that crippled the Honda's last season. It was a last minute major alteration to the carcass itself which became much softer and easier to get heat into. The solution in the event for HRC, was funnily enough a 'simple' one - but wasn't forthcoming until Laguna in the wake of innumerable chassis revisions.

 

Also Jum, I disagree that the proverbial JB 'rabbit out of the hat' on race day was solely down to SNS' and an auspicious DHL delivery from Clermont Ferrand on a Sunday morning . As I mentioned in the Bautista thread, it owed as much to systematic elimination - even serendipitous experimentation during morning warm up..and sometimes even a change in the weather. There are huge interrelated variables, often in flux, and constantly exerting influence throughout a race weekend - in respect of that, let's give Alex Briggs and Brent Stephens their due too.  When we learned that the garage had 'found' something it didn't always mean a large package on a sack barrow at the back of the garagemarked for the attention of Mr Rossi and Mr.Burgess .

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Given that Mr Stoner has spent the last few months in the US, due to the Australian tax authorities taking a surprisingly keen interest in his business affairs, this argument would appear not to hold water.


Stoner hated the GP paddock. It really was as simple as that.

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Before i get to this.......Good points Jum, whilst I don't agree with everything, it's a nice debate. Best on the best......sometimes winning also means being the best at ordering the best.....


Arrib, I was simply highlighting the fact that in 2012 Stoner suffered a compound change, whilst significant it was hardly on par with the removal of the SNSs or the decrease in the fuel limit.


Honda throwing chassis at the problem last year soon fixed it as they went on to dominate the last half of the season. This really emphasizes the horrible reality of the tiny performance envelope that now exists and the regs that strangle anyone who doesn't fit the mould-so to speak. Rossi is a product of an era that demanded flexibility in setup with many different methods to acheive success......with more than two race tyre options ,race fuel options, even race management options controlled by the rider. This is all probably handled now with a tablet and an app.....it's a long season and its not over, but it's getting harder and harder for the old boys

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All all of you ignorant or just not paying attention.  


A. Stoner didnt retire.  He quit and joined another series.


B. Your point that he left GP to raise a family and go fishing is moot when he traded one job for another.


I know you keep grasping for excuses because none of the others made any sense other then to portray him as a weak minded quitter.


 


C. Keshav you used words like self fulfilled and happy.  A self fuffilled, happy person doesnt go around tossing barbs at his past and present competitors.  


D. Maybe you got the wrong Aussie because the only one I see in that position is Bayliss.


You are mistaken that you think he has let down people like me who are fans. Im glad the little .......... is gone.  If hes not happy riding the silver platter handed him then the ungrateful .... should .... off.  I would much rather a guy with passion tool around in last place


then see a mega talent with no heart like Casey Gobert rail at the unfair world that has placed him on the best motorcycle on the planet.

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I'm completely with Pete and JK on this. As a Stoner fan, I'm highly dissappointed that he disregarded my feelings and just pissed off to enjoy his life. He left me with deep feeling of regret, now that I will never find out how things would have been if he had stayed around past his prime. Now I'm left just believing that he was the most talented and spectacular rider out there, and probably the best. He has given me nothing to work with in order to make some downward revisions to these perceptions. ........ Also, I think it's an outright affront to the fundamental values of (semi)capitalist societies to just turn down a paycheck. I mean losing passion for the sport is all well and good, but if you walk away from the kind of money he could have earned, you must just be ungrateful.


No, Stoner could learn a lot from Rossi here.

When Yamaha asked him to accept less than his championship-winning team mate, he said '.... you' and took the most that the market had to offer. Despite probably being a catholic, he truly showed the spirit of capitalism.

When people were starting to doubt whether he could perform well on a less than perfect bike, he went out there and proofed to them that he couldn't.

When people were arguing whether his nemesis was really a worse rider than him or simply handicapped by a ...... bike, he invested two years of his life to make it completely and utterly obvious that it was down to the ...... bike.

When people were clinging on to the belief that he and his team were a great developers, he made sure to make such a chaotic clusterfuck of development on his new bike, that this illusion was well and truly shattered.

When being manouvred back onto a championship-winning bike despite finishing sixth in standings, he thought of his fans and accepted this treatment so he could give them something to cheer about, rather than decline out of some weird considerations for fairness.


Yes, truly, Stoner could learn a lot from Rossi. Ungrateful ........

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Bravo! :clap:

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Rossi missed an opportunity today with Jorge using his 2nd bike.

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Rossi is my boy but he really needs to call it a day and either retire or go win a WSBK title. Let Cal have that ride.

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i dont agree at all, i think rossi needs a new crew, he sets and ok time just like yesterday then when everyone improves he does not, this is happening alot and i believe his crew are not setting up his machine that he can push right to the limit.
 
most will dissagree, this isnt me looking for excuses but i think this is a big part of the problem.

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i dont agree at all, i think rossi needs a new crew, he sets and ok time just like yesterday then when everyone improves he does not, this is happening alot and i believe his crew are not setting up his machine that he can push right to the limit.


 


most will dissagree, this isnt me looking for excuses but i think this is a big part of the problem.

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I tend to agree, maybe the new technology has passed JB (who started with bikes with carburettors and building different engines for different circuits) by, with the IT guys on their laptops now seeming increasingly to be the most important in the crew.

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Given that Mr Stoner has spent the last few months in the US, due to the Australian tax authorities taking a surprisingly keen interest in his business affairs, this argument would appear not to hold water.Stoner hated the GP paddock. It really was as simple as that.

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