Brno Race Discussion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 16 2009, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, maaaaaaate, come on.

You know that it was Stoner's fault.

Kallio was on his bike so therefore it has to be that Stoner choked or sent a message to the electronics or the traction control was to superior for Kallio to handle (remember - CS uses the most) so inevitable really that the bike would react and take control causing the incident with Melandri.


The above synopsis is formed after some alcohol and having only seen the crash a few times






Gaz

Who ??

Yaka, u did hav to post it three time, i can see fine, its Kallio with vision problems. Haha.

Btw, no i was actually thinking of an incident that happened this year. Oh but didnt remember Kallio had not seen another rider in front of him he proceeded in torpedoing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 16 2009, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yaka, u did hav to post it three time, i can see fine, its Kallio with vision problems. Haha.

Btw, no i was actually thinking of an incident that happened this year. Oh but didnt remember Kallio had not seen another rider in front of him he proceeded in torpedoing.
But apart from his torpedoing exploits i think he did bloody well on the bike. with crashes like he had this weekend you cant accuse the lad of not pushing it.

marco was so far out in front of kallio that if kallio really didn't see him, he has a serious vision or racecraft problem.

screenshot here...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1945/67976568.jpg

i'm pretty sure when someone's shoulder crashes into the very rear of your rear tire, it means you have the line...

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8393/gp1l.jpg

i guess i could be wrong.

After the race, looking to get a good rest, I will hang the suit… or was it the bike?

http://www.marca.com/albumes/2009/08/15/im...to/index_1.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Aug 16 2009, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>marco was so far out in front of kallio that if kallio really didn't see him, he has a serious vision or racecraft problem.

screenshot here...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1945/67976568.jpg

i'm pretty sure when someone's shoulder crashes into the very rear of your rear tire, it means you have the line...

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8393/gp1l.jpg

i guess i could be wrong.

It could be a language thing… maybe it was a 'Dark' spot, no so a 'Blind' spot he meant!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 16 2009, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But apart from his torpedoing exploits i think he did bloody well on the bike. with crashes like he had this weekend you cant accuse the lad of not pushing it.

Yes mate, I do too, I think Kallio did fine. I guess it was a bit of a boring race and we needed a laugh or two.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 17 2009, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes mate, I do too, I think Kallio did fine. I guess it was a bit of a boring race and we needed a laugh or two.
if you want an even bigger laugh, check out bautista's cool down lap wheelie i reckon his throttle stuck open, that bike ....... destroyed itself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 16 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner's fault indeed.
Bahahahaha

Thought you might like it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 16 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who ??

Apparently he is/was an android whose firmware has let it down and is in desperate need of an update/rewire (as opposed to Asimo who is still working well).

A great number of superior minds have confirmed that the wiring appears to have burnt itself out cause by the pressure forced upon it by the gravitational forces surrounding the planet being out of alignment since 2007. 2007 being the year where the android was allegedly and apparently perched atop a machine controlled by GPS, remote control, a joystick and copius amounts of electronic trickery to outwit people and win some meaningless championship whilst all planets were in perfect synchronous alignment.





And yes, I am taking the piss.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 17 2009, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thought you might like it.




Apparently he is/was an android whose firmware has let it down and is in desperate need of an update/rewire (as opposed to Asimo who is still working well).

A great number of superior minds have confirmed that the wiring appears to have burnt itself out cause by the pressure forced upon it by the gravitational forces surrounding the planet being out of alignment since 2007. 2007 being the year where the android was allegedly and apparently perched atop a machine controlled by GPS, remote control, a joystick and copius amounts of electronic trickery to outwit people and win some meaningless championship whilst all planets were in perfect synchronous alignment.





And yes, I am taking the piss.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Aug 16 2009, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are doubtless thinking of Kallio hitting Aoyama from behind, San Marino 250s in 2008. Kallio claimed Aoyama had brake tested him (team mates on KTM) but the traces showed Aoyama's speed into that corner was exactly the same for each and every lap of the weekend. Don't recall Kallio publically apologising for the accident, or for the brake-test slur.

You forgot to mention that the data also showed that Aoyama was 5kph slower through that turn than Kallio and that is why Kallio crashed into him and why to Kallio it might have seemed like Aoyama brake tested him. He didn't expect Aoyama to be that much slower going through it.

If you watch how much faster Kallio appears to be going through the corner when he hits Melandri I think something similar happened there too. Kallio was already accelerating hard out of the corner having taken the fastest line into it when Melandri was just trying to make it through the corner rubber side down after the overtaking manouver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Aug 16 2009, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>repeat post
How ya doing buddy, long time no see

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav)<div class='quotemain'>Duuhhh. Yah wuz too subtle fah me.

Yea, we just don't expect that low-key stuff from you, Bruthah!

FWIW, Kallio also ran into the back of Hayden this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 16 2009, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thought you might like it.

Apparently he is/was an android whose firmware has let it down and is in desperate need of an update/rewire (as opposed to Asimo who is still working well).

A great number of superior minds have confirmed that the wiring appears to have burnt itself out cause by the pressure forced upon it by the gravitational forces surrounding the planet being out of alignment since 2007. 2007 being the year where the android was allegedly and apparently perched atop a machine controlled by GPS, remote control, a joystick and copius amounts of electronic trickery to outwit people and win some meaningless championship whilst all planets were in perfect synchronous alignment.

And yes, I am taking the piss.

Gaz

He does look like C-3PO…

http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/c3po/index.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheOak @ Aug 16 2009, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You forgot to mention that the data also showed that Aoyama was 5kph slower through that turn than Kallio and that is why Kallio crashed into him and why to Kallio it might have seemed like Aoyama brake tested him. He didn't expect Aoyama to be that much slower going through it.

If you watch how much faster Kallio appears to be going through the corner when he hits Melandri I think something similar happened there too. Kallio was already accelerating hard out of the corner having taken the fastest line into it when Melandri was just trying to make it through the corner rubber side down after the overtaking manouver.

But could Kallio have seen Melandri or not? Should have Kallio pushed Melandri afterwards or not?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 17 2009, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>FWIW, Kallio also ran into the back of Hayden this year.
Incident itself is not that big of problem for me, but the way kallio behaved after the incident was very disappointed and i also do believe that it was kallio fault for whatever reason either due to blind spot or any other reason.I think he didn't expected Marco to pass him at that place and in the end he was just to slow to react after the pass.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 17 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He does look like C-3PO…

http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/c3po/index.html

Nope, C3PO has no teeth and is a bigger build so must have been eating all of his vegetables for dinner and training correctly to ensure correct amounts of body mass and muscular strength for teh activities of being a bloody annoying android.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 17 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But could Kallio have seen Melandri or not? Should have Kallio pushed Melandri afterwards or not?

Ok, serious hat on.

Could he have seen him is debatable in terms of 'did he know that MM would be there' as opposed to 'did he see him there'. To try to explain.

I have no doubt whatsoever that just prior to impact he sees MM, no doubt. But, I suspect that he did not know where MM was and as such (ie. he saw something, but did not register it as MM) did not see MM going to that point and instead he took his faster entry, saw MM and by then to late.

It is not MM's fault as he was well in front at the time of impact but as can be seen with the actual closing speeds, he was appreciably slower due to the line he had taken. If Kallio had of expected that move from MM he would likely not have taken the line he did with that speed and as such likely not have impacted MM.

As for the pushing/shoving it is debatable as Spies pushed Fabrizio at the WSBK and people did not raise the concern then, so why now. The circumstances in so far as those riders are identicsl, Spies felt/knew that Fabrizio has caused fault and was rightfully peeved, Kallio in his mind blames MM and is/was rightfully peeved (what we interpret is irrespective, he felt wronged). On review of the tape he may change his mind but at that time in the heat of the action and moment he felt that he was right, MM was wrong.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 17 2009, 02:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for the pushing/shoving it is debatable as Spies pushed Fabrizio at the WSBK and people did not raise the concern then, so why now. The circumstances in so far as those riders are identicsl, Spies felt/knew that Fabrizio has caused fault and was rightfully peeved, Kallio in his mind blames MM and is/was rightfully peeved (what we interpret is irrespective, he felt wronged). On review of the tape he may change his mind but at that time in the heat of the action and moment he felt that he was right, MM was wrong.
Garry
Come on Gaz, there is only one rule in the whole world you hit somebody from the back its your fault.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Aug 17 2009, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Gaz, there is only one rule in the whole world you hit somebody from the back its your fault.

Read what was typed - who mentioned rules?

Kallio believed that he was in the right whereas MM was in the wrong - simple. So, Kallio reacts - simple, nowhere are rules mentioned.


As regards to if you hit from behind you are at fault what are your thoughts of the infamous Jerez Rossi/Gibbers incident? Who was at fault there?






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 16 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On review of the tape he may change his mind...

Garry

That's all that is needed, no more! Review the tape and say sorry… In the heat of the moment I, and most, don't mind rider reactions (in fact, we like them like Hopkins kicking the hell out of a bike was great). So let's give Kallio a couple of days to settle, though he definitely was not right!