Brno GP 2013: RACE (spoilers)
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Talpa
Again, I have refrained from saying what Stoner might be doing if he was there because it is irrelevant, since he isn't there. However, as with Valentino's first 5 championships Marc deserves all credit for his likely championship this year since as with Valentino he will have beaten the available competitition. It is Stoner's choice that he is not there, hence coulda woulda shouldas from his fans are even less relevant than they would normally be, but this makes your speculation no more valid. MM wouldn't be on the Honda factory team or have Stoner's crew if Stoner hadn't retired for a start.
If I was to be speculative, I think it would be extremely difficult for Stoner to come back after even a year off and ride at his previous peak level, and Marc's level may be higher than that anyway as you say. You cannot be certain of the latter though, and MM's current season is bearing a fairly close resemblance to Stoner's 2011 season, with the exceptions that 2011 was not Stoner's rookie year, Jorge was uninjured that year, and MM hasn't been torpedoed as yet.
Again, I have refrained from saying what Stoner might be doing if he was there because it is irrelevant, since he isn't there. However, as with Valentino's first 5 championships Marc deserves all credit for his likely championship this year since as with Valentino he will have beaten the available competitition. It is Stoner's choice that he is not there, hence coulda woulda shouldas from his fans are even less relevant than they would normally be, but this makes your speculation no more valid. MM wouldn't be on the Honda factory team or have Stoner's crew if Stoner hadn't retired for a start.
If I was to be speculative, I think it would be extremely difficult for Stoner to come back after even a year off and ride at his previous peak level, and Marc's level may be higher than that anyway as you say. You cannot be certain of the latter though, and MM's current season is bearing a fairly close resemblance to Stoner's 2011 season, with the exceptions that 2011 was not Stoner's rookie year, Jorge was uninjured that year, and MM hasn't been torpedoed as yet.
Talpa
Stoner cannot come back to MotoGP and win, but a rookie can come to MotoGP and best the field? Next, you'll be telling us that Stoner is too old.
I'm gonna say something, but you have to promise not to overreact. Stoner is better than Pedrosa.
Stoner cannot come back to MotoGP and win, but a rookie can come to MotoGP and best the field? Next, you'll be telling us that Stoner is too old.
I'm gonna say something, but you have to promise not to overreact. Stoner is better than Pedrosa.
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So anwser the question this time, why do HRC need stoner at present at all?
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Stoner cannot come back to MotoGP and win, but a rookie can come to MotoGP and best the field? Next, you'll be telling us that Stoner is too old.
I'm gonna say something, but you have to promise not to overreact. Stoner is better than Pedrosa.
So anwser the question this time, why do HRC need stoner at present at all?
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they don't 'need' Stoner as long as Yamaha have only Lorenzo for challenging the Hondas. as long as 'even' Pedrosa can beat him, all is fine. given the fact that both Honda and Yamaha (fac) seats remain filled by the same protagonists through 2014 there is neither need nor place for Stoner.
Talpa
Another irrelevant argument. They don't need him, but your previous (also irrelevant) argument concerned what would be happening if he was there. I am obviously a partisan Stoner fan, but even I don't think he can win championships he doesn't contest.
Another irrelevant argument. They don't need him, but your previous (also irrelevant) argument concerned what would be happening if he was there. I am obviously a partisan Stoner fan, but even I don't think he can win championships he doesn't contest.
Why does HRC need Stoner?
1. Their test rider is injured
2. Stoner rides closer to the limits than any test rider
3. Stoner gives excellent feedback on bike performance and handling
4. Stoner has always maintained he enjoys riding the GP bikes (it's fun not work for him)
The real question should be if HRC has made a bike available for Stoner to use. Or if that option has even been discussed with Stoner by HRC.
The question I would like for someone to ask Stoner would be "If they fire Carmelo tomorrow would he come back to MotoGP?"
1. Their test rider is injured
2. Stoner rides closer to the limits than any test rider
3. Stoner gives excellent feedback on bike performance and handling
4. Stoner has always maintained he enjoys riding the GP bikes (it's fun not work for him)
The real question should be if HRC has made a bike available for Stoner to use. Or if that option has even been discussed with Stoner by HRC.
The question I would like for someone to ask Stoner would be "If they fire Carmelo tomorrow would he come back to MotoGP?"
whammy
Sure, he is likely quite handy for them as a test rider, whether they "need" him or not, and going by the current state of affairs ie that he has tested for them and is going to test more it would seem they at least "want" him in that role.
I take Talpa's point that they don't strictly "need" him as a GP rider, they have at least one rider entirely capable of delivering world championships for them. It is imo possible they might still "want" him if he became available, they have only won 2 of the last 9 championships, and I am sure wouldn't mind a little insurance, and I don't think are necessarily very sentimental about who wins championships for them, or opposed to a contest between their factory riders. They have also actually said they prefer not to have 2 Spanish riders on the factory team.
Sure, he is likely quite handy for them as a test rider, whether they "need" him or not, and going by the current state of affairs ie that he has tested for them and is going to test more it would seem they at least "want" him in that role.
I take Talpa's point that they don't strictly "need" him as a GP rider, they have at least one rider entirely capable of delivering world championships for them. It is imo possible they might still "want" him if he became available, they have only won 2 of the last 9 championships, and I am sure wouldn't mind a little insurance, and I don't think are necessarily very sentimental about who wins championships for them, or opposed to a contest between their factory riders. They have also actually said they prefer not to have 2 Spanish riders on the factory team.
michaelm
Very good points and I do like the part about an insurance policy. At one point this year they were one rookie away from having no factory rider. Probably a scary position for Honda.
edit - last year Rea filled in. Stoner maybe is another option that they would consider
Very good points and I do like the part about an insurance policy. At one point this year they were one rookie away from having no factory rider. Probably a scary position for Honda.
edit - last year Rea filled in. Stoner maybe is another option that they would consider
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Talpas head is gonna explode if someone mentions the word Stoner one more time.....
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whammy
All this talk about Stoner is two edged, firstly they have MM, a rider who lets not forget is in his first year but is showing the current field that not only is he quicker than them, he learns faster than them, he is braver than them and he is one tough guy as well. They also have Danny, a quality rider who is capable of not only taking the fight to Yamaha's fastest rider but also beating him, however, would HRC replace Danny with Casey at the drop of a hat? you bet your ... they would. HRC have no real problems, Yamaha have plenty, a past it Rossi, and no one else apart from Jorge who can run with the top four.
All this talk about Stoner is two edged, firstly they have MM, a rider who lets not forget is in his first year but is showing the current field that not only is he quicker than them, he learns faster than them, he is braver than them and he is one tough guy as well. They also have Danny, a quality rider who is capable of not only taking the fight to Yamaha's fastest rider but also beating him, however, would HRC replace Danny with Casey at the drop of a hat? you bet your ... they would. HRC have no real problems, Yamaha have plenty, a past it Rossi, and no one else apart from Jorge who can run with the top four.
thedeal
No way is Honda going to replace riders when they hold the top two points positions. The chat I was referring to was fan chatter about bringing Stoner back if Marc wins 5 races in a row. Even some Stoner haters would like to see him back if it would stop the Marc Marquez freight train of wins. If, big if, he wins at Silverstone watch the Stoner return talk begin to increase in volume.
No way is Honda going to replace riders when they hold the top two points positions. The chat I was referring to was fan chatter about bringing Stoner back if Marc wins 5 races in a row. Even some Stoner haters would like to see him back if it would stop the Marc Marquez freight train of wins. If, big if, he wins at Silverstone watch the Stoner return talk begin to increase in volume.
Talpa
I have a much better idea. You can explain to the rest of us why HRC would want a rider with 0 world titles and 24 wins when HRC could have a rider with 2 world titles and 38 wins.
Actually, I can think of a possible reason, but we'll see what you come up with.
I have a much better idea. You can explain to the rest of us why HRC would want a rider with 0 world titles and 24 wins when HRC could have a rider with 2 world titles and 38 wins.
Actually, I can think of a possible reason, but we'll see what you come up with.
