Brno GP 2013: RACE (spoilers)

Dr No

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Was a bit sad that VR effort...but then again Cal could've done that pressure role, bin jobs don't help.
But that race showed that even when carrying all the corner speed the tyres allow, you're going to get smoked out of corners. Feel sorry for Lorenzo, but then again Marquez is a phenomenon. Doesn't care about being out of shape at all.


(edit: meant to be a response to Big Jorge's post)

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Hogwash. There was no visual evidence of Honda superiority in that race Every bike has its strong points, and they canceled each other out today. From what i could see, the time was being made up on the brakes. Marquez is a ....... wildman. He is riding the big boy bike, just like he rode the Moto 2 machine, loose and on the edge of out of control. For those who said you cant see the style differences in these riders, needs to watch this race until they get it. That pass for the lead where  he juked Lorenzo right then dive bombed left was a thing of beauty, and If you are lamenting the lack of race craft in Moto GP, your suffering is over. The championship is not over by a long shot, but , its getting very close to a two man show. Those were 3 great riders, who rode 3 great races, the strongest at the moment prevailed. I beleive Lorenzo is still not 100%, and anything less, even 99%, is going to lead to late race fade, even if its just a 10/th here and a 10/th there. Cal, what can you say, he was being Cal. Rossi, thats who you are now, 4-5th place, 10 + seconds off the pace. Once in a blue moon, things may align for him to run up front, but he is done as a title contender. Solid race from Bautista, i was scared he would .... things up, but he done good.  Great race, 

Hogwash? The fact that Lorenzo's efforts at cornerspeed couldn't match Marquez out-of-shape-ride-the-wheels-off style. Hence the 'out of shape' comment.

Ok, could've been better worded, but I think we're in agreement here.

Dr No

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Hogwash? The fact that Lorenzo's efforts at cornerspeed couldn't match Marquez out-of-shape-ride-the-wheels-off style. Hence the 'out of shape' comment.

Ok, could've been better worded, but I think we're in agreement here.

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It appeared you were stating that the Honda corner exit prowess was what made the difference in the race today . All good.  Today, and at Indy, what i saw was Marquez killing Lorenzo on the brakes.

I forgot Lorenzo was on a Honda too... Oh he wasn't so you cant make that comparison. 


 


You can compare him to 2nd tier Dani though, you can profess that all day.

povol

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It appeared you were stating that the Honda corner exit prowess was what made the difference in the race today . All good.  Today, and at Indy, what i saw was Marquez killing Lorenzo on the brakes.

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<p style="margin-left:0px;depends on how you look at it pov. honda's strength is getting drive outta the corner. yammy has to get off the brakes earlier to maximize corner speed, so honda can stay on the brakes later and longer.

Suppo (on Italian TV) confirmed that - since some time - the Hondas have improved on the brakes greatly, and are now better than Yamaha. They retain their advantage on corner exit, so the only thing left for Yamaha is a little more speed in the corner center (that Lorenzo exploits the best of all Yam riders). 


Not much. 

Honda #1

Honda is faster on the straights - indisputable fact.  Doesn't alone make it the better bike but it never hurts, after all the throttle turns both ways (I think it was Barry Sheene who said that) 

Big Jorge

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I forgot Lorenzo was on a Honda too... Oh he wasn't so you cant make that comparison. 


 


You can compare him to 2nd tier Dani though, you can profess that all day.

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What comparison are you refering to ?

Marquez has proved that manic aggression is the fundamental virtue in modern MotoGP. I can't help but wonder how good Simoncelli might have been, if he had been exempted from the rookie rule.


 


I guess we will never know b/c Simoncelli didn't win the Respol Honda MotoGP Idol competition.

end times my friends. we need to act now if we want to save our favorite sport.


 


who can get his/her hands on alessandra? yamaha will never spend as much as honda so we might as well start focusing on luring/forcing stoner to return

You gotta be a complete moron if you can't see the superior Honda advantage.

mylexicon

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Marquez has proved that manic aggression is the fundamental virtue in modern MotoGP. I can't help but wonder how good Simoncelli might have been, if he had been exempted from the rookie rule.

 

I guess we will never know b/c Simoncelli didn't win the Respol Honda MotoGP Idol competition.

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WADR to Marco, he never displayed Marquez like talent. I think Bradl is roughly = Marco.........an indication of what Marco would have been capable of. No more in my opinion.

 povol

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Hogwash. There was no visual evidence of Honda superiority in that race Every bike has its strong points, and they canceled each other out today. 

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Maybe you should open your eyes when watching then. Cuz your brain is certainly closed. And to boot, Jlo is probably gonna need to do it on one engine left. Honda were kicking Yamaha's ... since about mid season last year (actually Brno would be a good point in 2012 to say it had eclipsed its problems and had become the dominate package). This doesn't mean Marc is not a good rider, like some of you can't seem to understand the distinction, but Honda is the superior machine in almost every way. In terms of race management and pace, Jlo is complimenting the Yamaha, the Honda is complimenting Marc and certainly Pedro.

levigarrett

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WADR to Marco, he never displayed Marquez like talent. I think Bradl is roughly = Marco.........an indication of what Marco would have been capable of. No more in my opinion.

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You must be drinking the same kool-aid as Jumkie if you think Simmoncelli is comparable to Bradl.  Simoncelli had that un-polished speed and aggressiveness...... if he had more time, he could of been right up there fighting for the win if given a competitive bike.  He's that good.


 


HRC should pick up Lorenzo, then we'll really see some real 'fighting'.......... Pedrosa can't do .....

povol

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What comparison are you refering to ?

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Any comparison made between the two riders when not on the same machinery.


 


Not taking anything away from how well Marc is doing, but the only person he's beating is Dani whom is a little man scared to look in the mirror.


 


8 years. 


 


Can I compare Nicky to Bradl?... because Nicky got destroyed today by Bradl on the brakes.

levigarrett

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WADR to Marco, he never displayed Marquez like talent. I think Bradl is roughly = Marco.........an indication of what Marco would have been capable of. No more in my opinion.

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I'd compare Marco more to Cal from the current grid.

Jumkie

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You gotta be a complete moron if you can't see the superior Honda advantage.

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Oh im seeing the advantage, its that mechanism that attaches the  seat to the clip ons.

 povol

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Oh im seeing the advantage, its that mechanism that attaches the  seat to the clip ons.

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Perhaps, but on a good day Jlo got beat by Pedro. Hardly a case to point to the midget as the better rider is it? I think Brno was decided last year because the Honda's advantage. I don't think it hindered today.

Yamaha in trouble, too much focus on a particular way to win thanks to Bridgestone. Cal-let down once again, Rossi really dealing with no 2 status in the team for the first time in his career not looking at all competative


Marc is showing them up big time, Stoner, if there, certainly wouldn't change much either. It's a pleasure to watch the young gun back it in and execute those passes, like king Kenny, Marc has brought a new way which is certainly demoralizing. Hondas Motogp rule book not helping