Brno GP 2013: RACE (spoilers)

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povol
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Oh im seeing the advantage, its that mechanism that attaches the  seat to the clip ons.


100% correct, MM would still be winning on the Yamaha.
 
Completely gutted after this one..wish yamaha could figure something out in a hurry...and maybe get jorge a teammate to take points off the hondas...going on three seasons now of jorge vs. the hondas.  Also wish Lil Dani would put the stamp on the overbite kid.
 
levigarrett
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WADR to Marco, he never displayed Marquez like talent. I think Bradl is roughly = Marco.........an indication of what Marco would have been capable of. No more in my opinion.
Agreed.
 
J4rn0
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Suppo (on Italian TV) confirmed that - since some time - the Hondas have improved on the brakes greatly, and are now better than Yamaha. They retain their advantage on corner exit, so the only thing left for Yamaha is a little more speed in the corner center (that Lorenzo exploits the best of all Yam riders). 


Not much. 


 


If Suppo is making public pronouncements about Honda's progression in braking performance, he is making a public plea for Stoner to return, imo. Stoner's complaint about the softer Bridgestone front tire was that it lacked feel under braking, and that it made the RC213V weave.
 
mylexicon
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If Suppo is making public pronouncements about Honda's progression in braking performance, he is making a public plea for Stoner to return, imo. Stoner's complaint about the softer Bridgestone front tire was that it lacked feel under braking, and that it made the RC213V weave.


He can plead all he likes.
 
alexchristian
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Completely gutted after this one..wish yamaha could figure something out in a hurry...and maybe get jorge a teammate to take points off the hondas...going on three seasons now of jorge vs. the hondas.  Also wish Lil Dani would put the stamp on the overbite kid.


Shouldn't Jorge first be taking points off the Hondas? FYI, he hasn't done that since Mugello......


Jorge is the no 1 rider at Yamaha is he not?
 
thedeal
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100% correct, MM would still be winning on the Yamaha.


 


 




Yes, definitely. But NOT with as much supremacy. On a Yamaha I don't think he'd be on a four consecutive wins.


 


 

alexchristian
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Completely gutted after this one..wish yamaha could figure something out in a hurry...and maybe get jorge a teammate to take points off the hondas...going on three seasons now of jorge vs. the hondas.  Also wish Lil Dani would put the stamp on the overbite kid.


 


Pedrosa is still not 100%. Seeing how he was catching up with MM on the last laps, I'm pretty confident he'll make it in the next races.
 
lil red rocket pilot
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I'd compare Marco more to Cal from the current grid.


 


Definitely more like it. 


Sic would have never been able to do what Marquez is doing, silver HRC spoon or not.


He was a slow learner in all classes and his rookie year was actually quite difficult.
 
thedeal
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100% correct, MM would still be winning on the Yamaha.


 


I think Marquez-Honda is one of those rare and perfect combinations, that could become virtually unbeatable for some seasons. 


I wonder if he'll ever change  bike. A switch to Yamaha would be interesting, but that will not happen before he wins 2 or 3 titles with Honda.
 
mylexicon
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If Suppo is making public pronouncements about Honda's progression in braking performance, he is making a public plea for Stoner to return, imo. Stoner's complaint about the softer Bridgestone front tire was that it lacked feel under braking, and that it made the RC213V weave.


This makes no sense, clearly they are doing better with out him this season.....HRC have rarely looked stronger than now. Marc is better. Barring catastrophe they will stroll to a 1-2 this season
 
Jumkie
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Perhaps, but on a good day Jlo got beat by Pedro. Hardly a case to point to the midget as the better rider is it? I think Brno was decided last year because the Honda's advantage. I don't think it hindered today.


The Honda is certainly not a hinderence, but the difference in the 2 is not huge. Yamaha has won 4 races this year, its not like they are helpless. On a given day, Pedrosa is untouchable, this is not the first time he has finished ahead of Lorenzo.
 
Talpa
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Yamaha in trouble, too much focus on a particular way to win thanks to Bridgestone. Cal-let down once again, Rossi really dealing with no 2 status in the team for the first time in his career not looking at all competative


Marc is showing them up big time, Stoner, if there, certainly wouldn't change much either. It's a pleasure to watch the young gun back it in and execute those passes, like king Kenny, Marc has brought a new way which is certainly demoralizing. Hondas Motogp rule book not helping


Sorry Talps, you saying Stoner being there "certainly" wouldn't change much is just as hypothetical/speculative  as it would be if I said the opposite.


 


MM can't do much more than lead the championship by a fair margin after winning 4 races in succession though, and has largely managed to stay on the bike all season whilst riding the wheels off it when more experienced competitors haven't.
 
povol
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Hogwash. There was no visual evidence of Honda superiority in that race Every bike has its strong points, and they canceled each other out today. From what i could see, the time was being made up on the brakes. Marquez is a ....... wildman. He is riding the big boy bike, just like he rode the Moto 2 machine, loose and on the edge of out of control. For those who said you cant see the style differences in these riders, needs to watch this race until they get it. That pass for the lead where  he juked Lorenzo right then dive bombed left was a thing of beauty, and If you are lamenting the lack of race craft in Moto GP, your suffering is over. The championship is not over by a long shot, but , its getting very close to a two man show. Those were 3 great riders, who rode 3 great races, the strongest at the moment prevailed. I beleive Lorenzo is still not 100%, and anything less, even 99%, is going to lead to late race fade, even if its just a 10/th here and a 10/th there. Cal, what can you say, he was being Cal. Rossi, thats who you are now, 4-5th place, 10 + seconds off the pace. Once in a blue moon, things may align for him to run up front, but he is done as a title contender. Solid race from Bautista, i was scared he would .... things up, but he done good.  Great race, 


 


 


I was thinking the exact same thing as I watched this race. The way the moto2 boys slide the rear tire out at the begining of the turn MM has just carried on doing so on his RC.


 


Agree with Pov's entire post. With the possible exception of the Honda bit, I don't know if we'll see (baring accident) another Yam victory this year.
 
bluegreen
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I was thinking the exact same thing as I watched this race. The way the moto2 boys slide the rear tire out at the begining of the turn MM has just carried on doing so on his RC.


 


Agree with Pov's entire post. With the possible exception of the Honda bit, I don't know if we'll see (baring accident) another Yam victory this year.


 


Hey silverstone is next week, so you will not have to wait too long for another Yam win. I predict a confortable win for jlo (in the dry) there.
 
BBSB
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Hey silverstone is next week, so you will not have to wait too long for another Yam win. I predict a confortable win for jlo (in the dry) there.


Whoops, forgot about Shiverstone.
 
Hey silverstone is next week, so you will not have to wait too long for another Yam win. I predict a confortable win for jlo (in the dry) there.

I doubt it. The factory Honda's advantage is so pronounced that I doubt a perfect race by Lorenzo can overcome. The RCV has got stonger. Lorenzo basically said today in the podium interview, he rode a perfect race and this was no match for the Honda. Shiverstone is too wide and fast. There are a few areas where, like at Brno, the M1 will match. But the power off the corners and that Hanger straight will present problems for Lorenzo. Its over. The only thing Lorenzo or Pedro can hope for is a Marc DNF. Which I will be praying doesnt happen until Lorenzo can overtake Pedro in points. Marc basically just needs to beat Pedro. The midget is overrated and that bike is complementary, Lorenzo beats Pedro because hes better despite Jorges slighly inferior bike. Marc beats Pedro because hes better.
 
michaelm
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Sorry Talps, you saying Stoner being there "certainly" wouldn't change much is just as hypothetical/speculative  as it would be if I said the opposite.

 

MM can't do much more than lead the championship by a fair margin after winning 4 races in succession though, and has largely managed to stay on the bike all seaon whilst riding the wheels off it when more experienced competitors haven't.


Your last line supports my theory, as dani and Jorge had stoners measure last year IMO stoner would not have an anwser to Marquez at present. He has raw speed, a cool head, tons of race craft and a style that has shaken up the nice little status quo that Jorge, stoner and dani have enjoyed for the past 2-3 years.
 
Talpa
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This makes no sense, clearly they are doing better with out him this season.....HRC have rarely looked stronger than now. Marc is better. Barring catastrophe they will stroll to a 1-2 this season


 


Without you, Talpa, we might forget the meaning of crazy.
 
mylexicon
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Without you, Talpa, we might forget the meaning of crazy.


Explain to us all why HRC need Stoner back then? And how he would be besting the current field after a year out of it....? And why suppo would need to announce things like this to hide secret messages for Casey? Livio would have his number wouldn't he???


Sounds like serious boning to me
 

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