Bike ace Stoner kicks back in Top End

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 10 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I miss seeing his misses floating around the paddock of course we need <strike>her </strike>him back
Yeah and I miss seeing him stop in front of peoples pits to flip them off and the stumble into the pits screaming profanities.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 10 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>with the engine rule kicking in and more riders spending more time in the garage, surely the "running long periods in practices and quaily <sic>" strategy will be one that the other riders wish they could master? no point in wearing out your engine just so you can go round and round the circuit is there? if you can get the bike on the front of the grid with only 10 laps of practice/quali then that would give you much more engine later in the season.




So what your saying is Boner has been preparing for this rule his whole career?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Sep 10 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Classic Stoner Form?" When was that Austin?, do you mean the 2007 season when he was handed the title?
If you want to live in dream world, that's your business. However the rest of us in reality remember a time when Valentino was soundly beaten by Casey Stoner and Ducati. Call it advantage all you want, if it was such an advantage then why wasn't Capirossi right up there with him? If the Ducati was as unbeatable as you claim, why did Capirossi go from championship contender to midpacker? If that title was handed to Stoner, then I would say the 2002, 2003 and 2008 titles were handed to Rossi.

That's not my personal belief but applying your logic to those years would suggest that's the reality. Is that still your belief?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 10 2009, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you want to live in dream world, that's your business. However the rest of us in reality remember a time when Valentino was soundly beaten by Casey Stoner and Ducati. Call it advantage all you want, if it was such an advantage then why wasn't Capirossi right up there with him? If the Ducati was as unbeatable as you claim, why did Capirossi go from championship contender to midpacker? If that title was handed to Stoner, then I would say the 2002, 2003 and 2008 titles were handed to Rossi.

That's not my personal belief but applying your logic to those years would suggest that's the reality. Is that still your belief?

My belief is .....................Ok Austin, your the wise old daddy of the forum, im corrected once more by a superior mind. God im so stupid!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Sep 10 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>My belief is .....................Ok Austin, your the wise old daddy of the forum, im corrected once more by a superior mind. God im so stupid!
I'm not saying agree with me, I'm saying if Ducati had such a large advantage that the title was handed to Stoner, why wasn't Capirossi a championship contender like he was the year before? And if the Ducati had enough advantage for you to say that the title was handed to Stoner, what's the difference between 2007 and '02, '03 and '08? You don't have to agree with me, all I'm asking for is an answer.

Ok Austin darling, i will answer you with the obvious answer. Your comparison of Capirossi and Stoner is utterly pathetic! Its like me saying to you "Why wasnt Edwards up there with Rossi on the Fiat Yamaha?" Do i need to continue? Come on now Austin, people will start to question your vast knowlege of..........well "everything" if you carry on. x

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Sep 10 2009, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok Austin darling, i will answer you with the obvious answer. Your comparison of Capirossi and Stoner is utterly pathetic! Its like me saying to you "Why wasnt Edwards up there with Rossi on the Fiat Yamaha?" Do i need to continue? Come on now Austin, people will start to question your vast knowlege of..........well "everything" if you carry on. x
Not even remotely the same. Capirossi was a legitimate title contender in 2006. Edwards has never been, with a best career standing of fourth in 2005, 188 points adrift of Rossi. Capirossi finished third in 2006, 23 points behind Hayden.

Oooooooooh i seeeee! 2006! silly me. When Nicky ruled the world right? also the year Rossi's bike was a bag of .....? Come on Austin, try harder!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Sep 10 2009, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oooooooooh i seeeee! 2006! silly me. When Nicky ruled the world right? also the year Rossi's bike was a bag of .....? Come on Austin, try harder!
Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that statistics weren't counted when Valentino and co. weren't up for it. Capirossi is a better grand prix rider than Edwards.

We don't count statistics with Rossi Austin, he is "The GOAT" remember?

I don't deny he is the greatest rider of his generation, the greatest rider I've personally witnessed, quite possibly the greatest of all time etc. But he lost in 2007, not because he didn't work for it, not because Ducati were cheating, but because Stoner was faster than him for an entire season. And if you really do think that the '07 title was handed to Stoner then you would have to subscribe to the theory that Rossi's 2002, 2003 and 2008 titles were handed to him. Like I said, that's not what I think, but it would be the natural conclusion to come to using your logic to those years. You can't make it work only one way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 10 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>O well thank god, you caught up with family.(cough, cough ........ cough) Even if true, you dont think they would just say that. Were they going to tell you he still feel sleepy? Of course not.




Not thats as much ........ as You and tea time with his family. He is not at a high level of fitness. Not unless fishing and video games are somehow getting him into shape. Even if he was in shape he won't be when he comes back. Two weeks without exercise and you will have already lost a lot of the work that has been done. Boner fans its okay you can admit you are scared that he will never be the same. Or at least until his work ethic changes. If when his heart rate goes up and he can't handle it, thats a clear indication he is out of shape. And a good reason why they can't find anything wrong with him.

Good to see you back MDub with your usual anti Stoner ramblings that I have missed for a week or so, you been away somewhere or returning from Indy or something?


As to IS200 he has covered his friendship with the Stoner family previously and there is no reason to doubt him, but certainly there is no proof either but there have been some things he has posted that have proved true a week or so later. So before you go off calling the BS rule, may just want to make sure - and that does not mean he is a friend but it also does not mean he is not.


Now, to your standard fitness bleatings and whilst much has been discussed previously, if I recall correctly you are a personal trainer or nutritionist - is that correct?

The reason I ask is that you are freely passingt judgement on Stoner and I am wondering about your experience with your profession in the elite motorcycling world (elite being national/world levels). I ask this as you are calling IS200 as BS artist, so lets hear your qualifications again in order to adjudge your right to make the comments and for us to assess the validity to which we should give them.


Now, with that said I totally agree that for some people, being fit can reduce their levels of stress as I have seen it myself (not experienced it - me and fit just do not get along), but I have also seen the converse when other illnesses are taken into consideration. To me the fitness or lack thereof by Stoner is nothing short of conjecture at this stage and we do not know with certainty the illness that is being alleged (using that word for the doubters) and until we do, judging fitness is difficult as someone.





Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Sep 10 2009, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We don't count statistics with Rossi Austin, he is "The GOAT" remember?


But isn't it statistics that go a long way towards determining the GOAT?




Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 11 2009, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good to see you back MDub with your usual anti Stoner ramblings that I have missed for a week or so, you been away somewhere or returning from Indy or something?


As to IS200 he has covered his friendship with the Stoner family previously and there is no reason to doubt him, but certainly there is no proof either but there have been some things he has posted that have proved true a week or so later. So before you go off calling the BS rule, may just want to make sure - and that does not mean he is a friend but it also does not mean he is not.


Now, to your standard fitness bleatings and whilst much has been discussed previously, if I recall correctly you are a personal trainer or nutritionist - is that correct?

The reason I ask is that you are freely passingt judgement on Stoner and I am wondering about your experience with your profession in the elite motorcycling world (elite being national/world levels). I ask this as you are calling IS200 as BS artist, so lets hear your qualifications again in order to adjudge your right to make the comments and for us to assess the validity to which we should give them.


Now, with that said I totally agree that for some people, being fit can reduce their levels of stress as I have seen it myself (not experienced it - me and fit just do not get along), but I have also seen the converse when other illnesses are taken into consideration. To me the fitness or lack thereof by Stoner is nothing short of conjecture at this stage and we do not know with certainty the illness that is being alleged (using that word for the doubters) and until we do, judging fitness is difficult as someone.





Gaz


Don't even bother with MdubSTYLIE Gaz as he seems to know all the mysteries of the universe, and is so sure he's right about facts he couldn't possibly confirm. It's pretty obviuose to me this individual is sitting naked at his computer trying to keep his gut off the keybaord while he writes drivel and pulls his ..... "Oh did I mention I ride 16 times a week accross the country doing pushups on the handlbars"............

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 10 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good to see you back MDub with your usual anti Stoner ramblings that I have missed for a week or so, you been away somewhere or returning from Indy or something?


As to IS200 he has covered his friendship with the Stoner family previously and there is no reason to doubt him, but certainly there is no proof either but there have been some things he has posted that have proved true a week or so later. So before you go off calling the BS rule, may just want to make sure - and that does not mean he is a friend but it also does not mean he is not.


Now, to your standard fitness bleatings and whilst much has been discussed previously, if I recall correctly you are a personal trainer or nutritionist - is that correct?

The reason I ask is that you are freely passingt judgement on Stoner and I am wondering about your experience with your profession in the elite motorcycling world (elite being national/world levels). I ask this as you are calling IS200 as BS artist, so lets hear your qualifications again in order to adjudge your right to make the comments and for us to assess the validity to which we should give them.


Now, with that said I totally agree that for some people, being fit can reduce their levels of stress as I have seen it myself (not experienced it - me and fit just do not get along), but I have also seen the converse when other illnesses are taken into consideration. To me the fitness or lack thereof by Stoner is nothing short of conjecture at this stage and we do not know with certainty the illness that is being alleged (using that word for the doubters) and until we do, judging fitness is difficult as someone.





Gaz
Why Gaz, I am so flattered you missed me. You probably haven't had .... to do but tell people how different ausieland is than everywhere else or something else no one cares about. Well fear not I am back and yes I have been gone thanks for noticing. Unfortunately we can't say the same for you man crush yet. Are you counting down the days?

But you are right I don't know if is200 is friends with friends of family or something, my bad brah.

Now I really would rather not give you any of my credentials for your kinda a ....... But if you ever come stateside I will give you a free workout......At the gym.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 11 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why Gaz, I am so flattered you missed me. You probably haven't had .... to do but tell people how different ausieland is than everywhere else or something else no one cares about. Well fear not I am back and yes I have been gone thanks for noticing. Unfortunately we can't say the same for you man crush yet. Are you counting down the days?

But you are right I don't know if is200 is friends with friends of family or something, my bad brah.

Now I really would rather not give you any of my credentials for your kinda a ....... But if you ever come stateside I will give you a free workout......At the gym.





Wow, you don't like being questioned do you?

Man crush on whom by the way - I do think you are cute and all, what with your boyish charm but really I don't go for BS artists who refuse to back up their assertions with qualifications when they themselves state that they are qualified.

All cool tho bro, I wouldn't understand as I am not into personal fitness so much so you taking me on in a gym will be a one way workout - you win easily.

So I am kinda a '......' - at least that means I get close to ..... bro.







Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 10 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think he has always had a lack of fitness. If I had to guess when it started, it would be after his championship year.

CS fans have to see benefit in running long periods in practices and quaily over his "put it down and sit down style." Hopefully a switch will go off in his head eventually and he will put some work ethic in. If he does he will win more world championships otherwise, stick a fork in him.
To be fair your theory is not unreasonable as an explanation for events and you have made a case for it. The sparse recent press grabs would seem to indicate his nutrition at least is being addressed. The point of my post which you acknowleged is that he did seem to be fit enough in 2007 as evidenced by his ability to lap at near record pace right until the end of several dominant races. As I recall he did more laps in practice as well including longer race simulation-type stints.

Other explanations than laziness do exist though , including him actually having contracted a virus or other medical illness, having deliberately lost weight by whatever means under threat from power improvements by the other manufacturers, or his wrist injury impeding his training which I think he himself has said at one stage.

I would agree that the pressure on him was enormously greater after his world championship, but I think more from his apparent sensitivity to criticism and lack of enjoyment of the media than anything else. I think he was under little pressure at all in 2007, as by the time he was seen as a legitimate contender he was on an enormous roll with every reason for confidence in the rider/bike/tyre package.

STOP PRESS!

Turns out MdubSTYLIE has no work ethic either - here's a spy pic of him also fishing when he said he was personal training a client:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Sep 11 2009, 06:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Other explanations than laziness do exist though , including him actually having contracted a virus or other medical illness, having deliberately lost weight by whatever means under threat from power improvements by the other manufacturers, or his wrist injury impeding his training which I think he himself has said at one stage.


The problem is that the issue depends solely upon one's own bias.

The 'haters' will doubt that there is any illness at all aside from a dumy spit being hidden, the fans will accept an illness is the cause, and many fair minded posters are possibly on the fence trusting the illness line and hoping that it is reality and not a dummy spit.

MDub, despite his apparent ill feelings for me has made some good observation at times and within the context of these discussions they have been pertinent based upon his apparent background within the fitness environment whether or not they are tainted with his own personal bias.

To me, Stoner is doing what Stoner needs to do in order to recover and firstly he needs to recover his health (physically and mentally) before he recovers his race fitness and if he is the fishing type, then no doubt that will work greatly towards helping his recovery. I am sure that MDub would know that the way to recuperate varies from person to person and as such what suits one person may require a different intensity for a second and so on - where CS sits in this manner is a big question that will ultimately play a large role when he comes back as looks more likely.

But, (and I reckon this may surprise him) I agree wholeheartedly with MDubs commensts regarding Race Fitness as there is no way to replicate the intensity of a race weekend at this level, and as such only when he is placed back in that environment will we really see the stage of recovery and have an indication of what the future may hold.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 10 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah and I miss seeing him stop in front of peoples pits to flip them off and the stumble into the pits screaming profanities.
You were obviously a mick doohan fan as well then .