Bike ace Stoner kicks back in Top End

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Sep 11 2009, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>STOP PRESS!

Turns out MdubSTYLIE has no work ethic either - here's a spy pic of him also fishing when he said he was personal training a client:






Anything beside a Gaz fish or an occasional kasha-fish or I will throw it back. Sure I know these are types of guppies, but what do you do? I am new at this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 11 2009, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem is that the issue depends solely upon one's own bias.

The 'haters' will doubt that there is any illness at all aside from a dumy spit being hidden, the fans will accept an illness is the cause, and many fair minded posters are possibly on the fence trusting the illness line and hoping that it is reality and not a dummy spit.

MDub, despite his apparent ill feelings for me has made some good observation at times and within the context of these discussions they have been pertinent based upon his apparent background within the fitness environment whether or not they are tainted with his own personal bias.

To me, Stoner is doing what Stoner needs to do in order to recover and firstly he needs to recover his health (physically and mentally) before he recovers his race fitness and if he is the fishing type, then no doubt that will work greatly towards helping his recovery. I am sure that MDub would know that the way to recuperate varies from person to person and as such what suits one person may require a different intensity for a second and so on - where CS sits in this manner is a big question that will ultimately play a large role when he comes back as looks more likely.

But, (and I reckon this may surprise him) I agree wholeheartedly with MDubs commensts regarding Race Fitness as there is no way to replicate the intensity of a race weekend at this level, and as such only when he is placed back in that environment will we really see the stage of recovery and have an indication of what the future may hold.






Gaz
Gaz I dont have ill feelings toward you. I do respect you, but I also enjoy a good roasting. Take my jokes as nothing more than ribbings please, I enjoy getting into it with you cause you are a worthy competitor and you always come back with something good. .... I think we are even xbox live friends, or used to be I don't have one anymore. So take my insults as a grain of salt.
Now I think my feelings toward cs are blatantly clear. But if he came back with hard work ethic I could at least gain some respect for him, probably will never care much for the bloke. Maybe my word of unencouragement will be just what he needs to get a fire going. We can all agree he needs to get better. I just don't think he is doing the right things to do so.

So to prove our friendship is still strong let me leave you with this:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 11 2009, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So I am kinda a '......' - at least that means I get close to ..... bro.
Gaz

Right, but your only reason for being there is to clean up my leavin's.

Gaz I love you, just don't threatin me with your kids again. smooches.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 11 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem is that the issue depends solely upon one's own bias.
One hundred percent absolutely hit da nail!!! All OPINIONS are biased... duh!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 11 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 'haters' will doubt that there is any illness at all aside from a dumy spit being hidden, the fans will accept an illness is the cause, and many fair minded posters are possibly on the fence trusting the illness line and hoping that it is reality and not a dummy spit.
One hundred percent bull-farkin-.....! Haters... lovers... casual observers would have swallowed ANY BELIEVABLE statement from Stoner's camp... a press release saying he had mild mononucleosis would have been all it took to allay all the present controversy and preserve his reputation. Instead he (and/or his handlers) chose a tack which inevitably leads to speculation and doubt. Control of the current "mystery illness" situation rested firmly in the hands of Casey and his management and they have not only dropped the ball... they don't even seem to know they are on the playing field of global media... A shame for him and a shame for MotoGP in general.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 11 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gaz I dont have ill feelings toward you. I do respect you, but I also enjoy a good roasting. Take my jokes as nothing more than ribbings please, I enjoy getting into it with you cause you are a worthy competitor and you always come back with something good. .... I think we are even xbox live friends, or used to be I don't have one anymore. So take my insults as a grain of salt.
Now I think my feelings toward cs are blatantly clear. But if he came back with hard work ethic I could at least gain some respect for him, probably will never care much for the bloke. Maybe my word of unencouragement will be just what he needs to get a fire going. We can all agree he needs to get better. I just don't think he is doing the right things to do so.

XBox - never hadone, nor have the kids and I keep as far away from those bloody type of things as possible because I am old and unco-ordinated.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 11 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Right, but your only reason for being there is to clean up my leavin's.

Well next time take ya bloody pubes with ya, oh, and you left crabs last time - you may want that checked out.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 11 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gaz I love you, just don't threatin me with your kids again. smooches.

I did once offer to sell them on e-bay but both a big .......s and nobody wanted them, sp the offer is always there.



Have fun MDub








Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 11 2009, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One hundred percent bull-farkin-.....! Haters... lovers... casual observers would have swallowed ANY BELIEVABLE statement from Stoner's camp... a press release saying he had mild mononucleosis would have been all it took to allay all the present controversy and preserve his reputation. Instead he (and/or his handlers) chose a tack which inevitably leads to speculation and doubt. Control of the current "mystery illness" situation rested firmly in the hands of Casey and his management and they have not only dropped the ball... they don't even seem to know they are on the playing field of global media... A shame for him and a shame for MotoGP in general.

To use your word - well DUH!

Because these casual observers/fans aren't looking for excuses or reasons nor are they allowing their own negative bias to impact their judgement (yes, in some cases their positive bias will impact).

As for the rest, I agree with it, yes ultimately CS and his advisors could have released a statement saying what the issue was, but maybe they did not know as it was yet to be diagnosed, or maybe simply they did not want people to know given the illness it may have been.

To me, yes a shame for him but not so sure it impacts MGP in general strongly but will agree that there has been a definite impact.





Gaz

Casey needs to get his ... back ASAP.
& if he don't come back strong top 5 on race day a least that will set off the he's finished rumour mill.it wasn't a virus/fatigue.
etc etc etc etc etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 12 2009, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To use your word - well DUH!

Because these casual observers/fans aren't looking for excuses or reasons nor are they allowing their own negative bias to impact their judgement (yes, in some cases their positive bias will impact).

As for the rest, I agree with it, yes ultimately CS and his advisors could have released a statement saying what the issue was, but maybe they did not know as it was yet to be diagnosed, or maybe simply they did not want people to know given the illness it may have been.

To me, yes a shame for him but not so sure it impacts MGP in general strongly but will agree that there has been a definite impact.

Gaz
I believe that they didn't even have to tell anyone what the malady is (if they even know). All they had to do is present an PLAUSIBLE medical scenario (like my mild mono example) thereby eliminating controversy, mystery and pessimistic speculation and be able to discretely recoup in a media calm.

Are we together on the semantics of "shame" in the context used? I meant it was a shame for Casey in the sense of being "unfortunate", an opportunity missed. He could have "handled" the situation and not risked having outlook or "psyche" auestioned. When I said it was a shame for MGP I meant that's its a shame (unfortunate?) that the sports second brightest star is in PR limbo until he proves he can regain his former prowess - the competition suffers, the spectacle suffers, and the fans suffer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 11 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I believe that they didn't even have to tell anyone what the malady is (if they even know). All they had to do is present an PLAUSIBLE medical scenario (like my mild mono example) thereby eliminating controversy, mystery and pessimistic speculation and be able to discretely recoup in a media calm.

I agree with you as I have argued since the talk fist started that we, the public do not have a right to know the actual cause/illness just as nobody else has a right to know our own individual illnesses. But, I also do agree that the use of the generic 'mystery illness' has led to much speculation of which a large amount has been negative and that if a clearer picture of the illness was known then yes, it may have been worthwhile releasing some details of the 'illness family/type'.

But sadly, being CS I also expect that many (media/forums etc) woudl still continue to belittle him for missing races purely because he is not the likeable personality that people want and expect nowadays which to a degree makes him a very easy target.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 11 2009, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are we together on the semantics of "shame" in the context used? I meant it was a shame for Casey in the sense of being "unfortunate", an opportunity missed. He could have "handled" the situation and not risked having outlook or "psyche" auestioned. When I said it was a shame for MGP I meant that's its a shame (unfortunate?) that the sports second brightest star is in PR limbo until he proves he can regain his former prowess - the competition suffers, the spectacle suffers, and the fans suffer.

Yep, same page.






Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 12 2009, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...he is not the likeable personality that people want and expect nowadays which to a degree makes him a very easy target.
Gaz
Just a quick antidote... '06 Sepang meet-n-greet on Saturday, post qualifying... CS and CV are basically alone while Rossi, Cappers, Dani, even Gibbers are swamped. I spend about 60 seconds with them and we had a casual conversation... Casey had a great sense of humour and both were immediately likable. The point? Casey needs a professional PR person to manage (read: control and spin) his public persona because at the present he is doing his personal and professional stature no favours...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 12 2009, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Casey needs a professional PR person to manage (read: control and spin) his public persona because at the present he is doing his personal and professional stature no favours...

Does this really matter to you? Is it really important in MGP to you? Cos I reckon iys what spoils modern MGP

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Sep 12 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does this really matter to you? Is it really important in MGP to you? Cos I reckon iys what spoils modern MGP
Doesn't matter bugger-all to me - but it is a fact of life for a public figure...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Sep 12 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does this really matter to you? Is it really important in MGP to you? Cos I reckon iys what spoils modern MGP
whether it matters to us or not is important to casey. He has in the past been very upset by the pulic responce to him and his win's. He has openly whined (sooked) about this in the press. This upset has obviously taken a toll on casey. some possitive pr that likens him to race fans may do a lot for his confidence and health.

As I've said before, Casey Stoners mentality is weaker than that of Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau. The one thing Stoner does have going for him is that the guy is a really fast rider, but when push comes to shove this is the end result for Casey...... "Gone Fishin'"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 12 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As I've said before, Casey Stoners mentality is weaker than that of Max Biaggi and Sete Gibernau. The one thing Stoner does have going for him is that the guy is a really fast rider, but when push comes to shove this is the end result for Casey...... "Gone Fishin'"
This comin from the foremost authority on riders and health.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 13 2009, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>whether it matters to us or not is important to casey. He has in the past been very upset by the pulic responce to him and his win's. He has openly whined (sooked) about this in the press. This upset has obviously taken a toll on casey. some possitive pr that likens him to race fans may do a lot for his confidence and health.


That was the Rossifans whining/sooking about him being faster than Rossi, I can kinda get why you all were sooking about that ....... but this is about a guy going fishing ...... surely he can't be "bugging you all by something as innocuous as that


Guess its horses for courses really, I like the riders to just Shut up and ride, others seem to want them to be the entertainment too ......... when is it going to get to the point where we are watching MGP for the personalities?


I think you are being really childish about the "it worries Stoner" thing Rog. ...... I'm mean lets put it in perspective ........ you say he's really worried ......... Stoner goes fishing ........ ..... get real Rog

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Sep 12 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Does this really matter to you? Is it really important in MGP to you? Cos I reckon iys what spoils modern MGP

First of all, I agree with you that MGP should be about Racing and that's exactly why I watch it. That said it's quite obvious that Riders can't live outside the reality. Part of that reality is teams and factories paying them big money to represent them on and off track.
Stoner has done some obvious errors and shown that he is influenced by the public opinion. Those two points telles me it would be a very good thing for him to get a personal PR- trainer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Sep 10 2009, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>bla bla bla typical stoner fanboy drival, over opinionated ponce who stereotypes

sounds like we have a grumpy chopperman here, relax buddy! The key word in your favourite quote was 'generally' and people like you make this stereotype stronger. I like Rossi, I think he is a top bloke and I like watching him ride but I would rather see Stoner win for sure and make Rossi fight for the win a bit more. Lets hear you say that about Stoner, anything nice to say? Thats the difference here, talk about opinionated

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 11 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>O well thank god, you caught up with family.(cough, cough ........ cough) Even if true, you dont think they would just say that. Were they going to tell you he still feel sleepy? Of course not.




Not thats as much ........ as You and tea time with his family. He is not at a high level of fitness. Not unless fishing and video games are somehow getting him into shape. Even if he was in shape he won't be when he comes back. Two weeks without exercise and you will have already lost a lot of the work that has been done. Boner fans its okay you can admit you are scared that he will never be the same. Or at least until his work ethic changes. If when his heart rate goes up and he can't handle it, thats a clear indication he is out of shape. And a good reason why they can't find anything wrong with him.

In reference to your first paragraph, it depends on your relationship and in what capacity you know a certain person. Your choice to believe me or not mate, makes no difference to me, but there are some people on this forum who actually have an understanding of a members history and their posts, combined with a capacity to fathom who is talking rubbish and who is trying to bring some information to a place that is not reliant on the main portals of motorsport press, and also that other more intelligent members would appreciate hearing.

In relation to your second paragraph, you clearly do not understand how remarkably fit a professional athelete is. Look at lance armstrong, in his initially stinted comeback he fell in and out of training and drinking etc.... once he decided to race again he went on a one week intensive training camp, him and one mate, at teh start of the week his VO2 max was 47 (close to a normal person) at the end of the week it was in the high 80's. He also increased his wattage from 300 to in excess of 500. Now he is obviously a freak, but it goes to show that these athletes have muscle memory, their bodies respond so much faster than ours do due to their prior conditioning. So if Casey is recovered, weather that means mentally or physically, he will be able to re gain his prior conditioning. For you to be unable to fathom the difference between someones perceived work ethic and a physiological issue is rather entertaining.