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Ben Spies to leave Yamaha

A-hole. I'm rooting for Haslam.
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That sucks. I'm conflicted. I think BMW turned down the wick on Haslam to .... him out of the team. My only hope now is that Ben schools crybaby Melandri into screaming uncle.



Ben alludes to Yamaha forcing and limiting him to certain set ups and testing duties. Thats at Yamaha, a 'fairly' benign factory, I can only imagine what Nicky Hayden endured at HRC under DarthEvil. Spies had speed in qual then suddenly sucked balls in races? Doesn't quite jive.



Why would they do that Homey?
 
Why would they do that Homey?



Cos it justifies Jumkies belief that everyone is "turning down the wick" on Nicky Hayden.



If Jumkie says its happening everywhere ....... it seems more believable to him
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Now. Has anybody noticed that Stoner does not seem to be going as good since he announced his retirement? And that Dani is suddenly faster!!???

How can that possibly happen!! ??
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Always funny to here Talpa say " take away the bias" and then deliver an on his knees at the Rossi alter love fest version of the why Yamaha should be dying to take the great one back into the fold.



Priceless.
 
Always funny to here Talpa say " take away the bias" and then deliver an on his knees at the Rossi alter love fest version of the why Yamaha should be dying to take the great one back into the fold.



Priceless.

you back after your little sulk?



great, I haven't had a good laugh for a while.......anymore amazing predictions on 'effort' genius?





So ok then, care to contribute instead of mock for a change? Here's one right up your ally, supply us with all of the overwhelming reasons/evidence as to why Yamaha should not hire Rossi again and put Dovi on the Factory bike instead, reasons and evidence that a corporation like Yamaha would consider valid.
 
you back after your little sulk?



great, I haven't had a good laugh for a while.......anymore amazing predictions on 'effort' genius?





So ok then, care to contribute instead of mock for a change? Here's one right up your ally, supply us with all of the overwhelming reasons/evidence as to why Yamaha should not hire Rossi again and put Dovi on the Factory bike instead, reasons and evidence that a corporation like Yamaha would consider valid.



The two big reasons which are related are:



1. Yamaha might want a test mule for Lorenzo and Rossi wants to compete at the front.



2. Yamaha might want someone who isn't going to compete for the championship at the expense of Lorenzo.



I have no problem with them making the decision for one of these reasons as they have Lorenzo who has many successful years ahead of him.



I would love for Rossi to return to Yamaha though.



 
So ok then, care to contribute instead of mock for a change? Here's one right up your ally, supply us with all of the overwhelming reasons/evidence as to why Yamaha should not hire Rossi again and put Dovi on the Factory bike instead, reasons and evidence that a corporation like Yamaha would consider valid.



Talps, I have to be fair and say that I found your comment regarding the need to remove bias (below) to be quite humorous from someone who so often and so openly displays their own personal bias towards anything that is critical of Rossi be that deliberate, implied, imagined or perceived criticism.



One must inevitably remove ones personal bias and look at the facts;



But, your overall point is valid in that Yamaha as a business must make a decision based upon their business reasoning and for this purpose alone a re-collaboration with Team Rossi would be an extremely attractive proposition for any number of reasons, most if not all that you have mentioned.



No doubt Rossi offers a lot of positive to them, but along with the positive may well come some negative that will need to be weighed up by Yamaha, but no doubt IF Rossi wants Yamaha it will happen.



Now, the negative of which I speak is not major, but more so the need to manage what would be competing egos and demands of two highly strung yet competent riders, both of whom would think nothing of taking points from the other and both of whom would demand number 1 treatment within Yamaha the manufacturer. We are seeing this year the difficulty of a manufacturer in handling two supremely talented riders by way of development directions as HRC now must face the dilemma of direction and resource pooling to win the championship (ie. at what point do they ask Stoner/Pedrosa to play second fiddle to the other).



But, you have asked mental to provide some reasons as to why Dovi should be signed and so I thought I would throw some into the mix for reasoned debate



- Dovi provides a younger rider (not as young as JL) and as such may well provide a longer term prospect for solidity and a stable team environment in an ongoing capability



- Dovi does have some sponsorships (not comparable to Rossi) but may open up Yamaha for potential Italian sponsors that are as yet not associated to Rossi and yet wish to compete. In short, he may provide a cheaper alternative option for competing businesses (those competing with Rossi's existing sponsors)



- Dovi is a very good, consistent yet fast rider who is on the cusp of the 'fab four' in terms of speed and has been the 'best of the rest' for a few years so is recognisable and reliable



- Would be a cheaper purchase than would Rossi as he has less in terms of entourage, engineers etc.



- Would compete with JL but likely not at the same level (that is hypothetical as IMO Dovi would be better on a factory Yamaha than on the Tech3, just not sure how much better) and as such would not be taking to many points away from JL.



There are of course negatives to Dovi as well, not least of which is the lower profile and less attractive media savvy but given that all would seem a foregone conclusion anyway the discussion and points are likely mute.
 
you back after your little sulk?



great, I haven't had a good laugh for a while.......anymore amazing predictions on 'effort' genius?





So ok then, care to contribute instead of mock for a change? Here's one right up your ally, supply us with all of the overwhelming reasons/evidence as to why Yamaha should not hire Rossi again and put Dovi on the Factory bike instead, reasons and evidence that a corporation like Yamaha would consider valid.



For a start, I always offer stuff as MY OPINION. You always offer YOUR OPINION as FACT. Big difference.



Why would Yamaha not want Rossi?



1) The same reason they let him walk in the first place. They have Lorenzo who is the future whilst Rossi is the past.



2) Rossi constantly throws the manufacturer under the bus and NEVER gives them the credit.



3) Beating Rossi is far better then winning with him because if he wins it is him and if he loses it is the manufacturer.



4) Because they are going to win the next 2-3 WC anyway.



5) Because without Rossi they have developed the best bike on the grid whilst Rossi has successfully developed a winning bike into a bike that struggles to beat Satellite bikes. The myth that Rossi is the greatest development rider to walk the earth has been debunked.



6) Rossi only brings money. And guess what? That money will go straight in his pocket not Yamaha's. And when he leaves the money leaves too.



7) Rossi likes paint jobs on bikes that are totally GAY. Just look at the disgusting Ducati. Used to look mean now it looks GAY.



8) Rossi like soft engines. Yamaha have finally got an engine that is as powerful as the Honda's. Rossi will surely want it tamed because he is a ...... This will upset Lorenzo who has been working hard to get Yamaha to develop the engine.



9) If Rossi can punt Lorenzo off to win a race he will regardless of how it will impact Lorenzo's chance of winning a title because Rossi is not a team player he is out for himself only.



10) If Rossi doesn't get his own way then Yamaha knows that Ezpeleta will be in there threatening Yamaha with what ever he can in order to make Yamaha do what ever Rossi wants.



11) Yamaha will certainly lose Lorenzo in 2 years time after all of the above happens and then what?



Do you want me to go on?
 
For a start, I always offer stuff as MY OPINION. You always offer YOUR OPINION as FACT. Big difference.



Why would Yamaha not want Rossi?



1) The same reason they let him walk in the first place. They have Lorenzo who is the future whilst Rossi is the past.



2) Rossi constantly throws the manufacturer under the bus and NEVER gives them the credit.



3) Beating Rossi is far better then winning with him because if he wins it is him and if he loses it is the manufacturer.



4) Because they are going to win the next 2-3 WC anyway.



5) Because without Rossi they have developed the best bike on the grid whilst Rossi has successfully developed a winning bike into a bike that struggles to beat Satellite bikes. The myth that Rossi is the greatest development rider to walk the earth has been debunked.



6) Rossi only brings money. And guess what? That money will go straight in his pocket not Yamaha's. And when he leaves the money leaves too.



7) Rossi likes paint jobs on bikes that are totally GAY. Just look at the disgusting Ducati. Used to look mean now it looks GAY.



8) Rossi like soft engines. Yamaha have finally got an engine that is as powerful as the Honda's. Rossi will surely want it tamed because he is a ...... This will upset Lorenzo who has been working hard to get Yamaha to develop the engine.



9) If Rossi can punt Lorenzo off to win a race he will regardless of how it will impact Lorenzo's chance of winning a title because Rossi is not a team player he is out for himself only.



10) If Rossi doesn't get his own way then Yamaha knows that Ezpeleta will be in there threatening Yamaha with what ever he can in order to make Yamaha do what ever Rossi wants.



11) Yamaha will certainly lose Lorenzo in 2 years time after all of the above happens and then what?



Do you want me to go on?



Love it,love it love it
 
For a start, I always offer stuff as MY OPINION. You always offer YOUR OPINION as FACT. Big difference.



Why would Yamaha not want Rossi?



1) The same reason they let him walk in the first place. They have Lorenzo who is the future whilst Rossi is the past.



2) Rossi constantly throws the manufacturer under the bus and NEVER gives them the credit.



3) Beating Rossi is far better then winning with him because if he wins it is him and if he loses it is the manufacturer.



4) Because they are going to win the next 2-3 WC anyway.



5) Because without Rossi they have developed the best bike on the grid whilst Rossi has successfully developed a winning bike into a bike that struggles to beat Satellite bikes. The myth that Rossi is the greatest development rider to walk the earth has been debunked.



6) Rossi only brings money. And guess what? That money will go straight in his pocket not Yamaha's. And when he leaves the money leaves too.



7) Rossi likes paint jobs on bikes that are totally GAY. Just look at the disgusting Ducati. Used to look mean now it looks GAY.



8) Rossi like soft engines. Yamaha have finally got an engine that is as powerful as the Honda's. Rossi will surely want it tamed because he is a ...... This will upset Lorenzo who has been working hard to get Yamaha to develop the engine.



9) If Rossi can punt Lorenzo off to win a race he will regardless of how it will impact Lorenzo's chance of winning a title because Rossi is not a team player he is out for himself only.



10) If Rossi doesn't get his own way then Yamaha knows that Ezpeleta will be in there threatening Yamaha with what ever he can in order to make Yamaha do what ever Rossi wants.



11) Yamaha will certainly lose Lorenzo in 2 years time after all of the above happens and then what?



Do you want me to go on?



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Thats ok, I've laughed enough now.......
 
For a start, I always offer stuff as MY OPINION. You always offer YOUR OPINION as FACT. Big difference.



Why would Yamaha not want Rossi?



1) The same reason they let him walk in the first place. They have Lorenzo who is the future whilst Rossi is the past.



2) Rossi constantly throws the manufacturer under the bus and NEVER gives them the credit.



3) Beating Rossi is far better then winning with him because if he wins it is him and if he loses it is the manufacturer.



4) Because they are going to win the next 2-3 WC anyway.



5) Because without Rossi they have developed the best bike on the grid whilst Rossi has successfully developed a winning bike into a bike that struggles to beat Satellite bikes. The myth that Rossi is the greatest development rider to walk the earth has been debunked.



6) Rossi only brings money. And guess what? That money will go straight in his pocket not Yamaha's. And when he leaves the money leaves too.



7) Rossi likes paint jobs on bikes that are totally GAY. Just look at the disgusting Ducati. Used to look mean now it looks GAY.



8) Rossi like soft engines. Yamaha have finally got an engine that is as powerful as the Honda's. Rossi will surely want it tamed because he is a ...... This will upset Lorenzo who has been working hard to get Yamaha to develop the engine.



9) If Rossi can punt Lorenzo off to win a race he will regardless of how it will impact Lorenzo's chance of winning a title because Rossi is not a team player he is out for himself only.



10) If Rossi doesn't get his own way then Yamaha knows that Ezpeleta will be in there threatening Yamaha with what ever he can in order to make Yamaha do what ever Rossi wants.



11) Yamaha will certainly lose Lorenzo in 2 years time after all of the above happens and then what?



Do you want me to go on?

Of that list, the three ive highlighted says it all. Why if your Yamaha, do you upset the apple cart. The press would twist and gouge that relationship till they came to blows. Not that it would need that much twisting.. I think they are stupid for even considering it to be honest. And maybe they are not. They might just be saying all the right things for appearances.
 
i posted this interview as a separate post, but Kenny Reports jnr gives a good account of the things that happen behind the scenes and as to why he walked away. Relevant I think given that Spies & Stoner have decided to walk away.



http://www.powerslid...showtopic=15183



Best interview I've every heard on many subjects. I know Spies said perhaps he would talk about his situation at a more appropriate time, but I doubt that will every happen while he is riding in any form of racing. Factories don't like people to air out their secrets, even if you are talking about somebody else. Especially if some of the damaging revelations are on the league itself, which clearly there is something going on with them as the backroom deals are now done in the shameless open. (rookie rule, Marlboro/Monster-Yamaha-Carmelo-Dorna talks.)
 
For a start, I always offer stuff as MY OPINION. You always offer YOUR OPINION as FACT. Big difference.



Why would Yamaha not want Rossi?



1) The same reason they let him walk in the first place. They have Lorenzo who is the future whilst Rossi is the past.



2) Rossi constantly throws the manufacturer under the bus and NEVER gives them the credit.



3) Beating Rossi is far better then winning with him because if he wins it is him and if he loses it is the manufacturer.



4) Because they are going to win the next 2-3 WC anyway.



5) Because without Rossi they have developed the best bike on the grid whilst Rossi has successfully developed a winning bike into a bike that struggles to beat Satellite bikes. The myth that Rossi is the greatest development rider to walk the earth has been debunked.



6) Rossi only brings money. And guess what? That money will go straight in his pocket not Yamaha's. And when he leaves the money leaves too.



7) Rossi likes paint jobs on bikes that are totally GAY. Just look at the disgusting Ducati. Used to look mean now it looks GAY.



8) Rossi like soft engines. Yamaha have finally got an engine that is as powerful as the Honda's. Rossi will surely want it tamed because he is a ...... This will upset Lorenzo who has been working hard to get Yamaha to develop the engine.



9) If Rossi can punt Lorenzo off to win a race he will regardless of how it will impact Lorenzo's chance of winning a title because Rossi is not a team player he is out for himself only.



10) If Rossi doesn't get his own way then Yamaha knows that Ezpeleta will be in there threatening Yamaha with what ever he can in order to make Yamaha do what ever Rossi wants.



11) Yamaha will certainly lose Lorenzo in 2 years time after all of the above happens and then what?



Do you want me to go on?



^^^This!^^^
 
For a start, I always offer stuff as MY OPINION. You always offer YOUR OPINION as FACT. Big difference.



Why would Yamaha not want Rossi?



1) The same reason they let him walk in the first place. They have Lorenzo who is the future whilst Rossi is the past.



2) Rossi constantly throws the manufacturer under the bus and NEVER gives them the credit.



3) Beating Rossi is far better then winning with him because if he wins it is him and if he loses it is the manufacturer.



4) Because they are going to win the next 2-3 WC anyway.



5) Because without Rossi they have developed the best bike on the grid whilst Rossi has successfully developed a winning bike into a bike that struggles to beat Satellite bikes. The myth that Rossi is the greatest development rider to walk the earth has been debunked.



6) Rossi only brings money. And guess what? That money will go straight in his pocket not Yamaha's. And when he leaves the money leaves too.



7) Rossi likes paint jobs on bikes that are totally GAY. Just look at the disgusting Ducati. Used to look mean now it looks GAY.



8) Rossi like soft engines. Yamaha have finally got an engine that is as powerful as the Honda's. Rossi will surely want it tamed because he is a ...... This will upset Lorenzo who has been working hard to get Yamaha to develop the engine.



9) If Rossi can punt Lorenzo off to win a race he will regardless of how it will impact Lorenzo's chance of winning a title because Rossi is not a team player he is out for himself only.



10) If Rossi doesn't get his own way then Yamaha knows that Ezpeleta will be in there threatening Yamaha with what ever he can in order to make Yamaha do what ever Rossi wants.



11) Yamaha will certainly lose Lorenzo in 2 years time after all of the above happens and then what?



Do you want me to go on?



Fair play there's 11 points of total bollocks.
 
Ben is getting a kick out of all the speculation...can't say that I blame him. LOL



@BenSpies11

1 hour ago



Rumors rumors are so awesome! I've heard I'm riding for 5 diff teams or retiring haha. Laguna is here!
 
Ben is getting a kick out of all the speculation...can't say that I blame him. LOL



@BenSpies11

1 hour ago



Rumors rumors are so awesome! I've heard I'm riding for 5 diff teams or retiring haha. Laguna is here!





Sounds like some little kid who is bitter cuz he's getting the axe..... if that is really his quote. Regardless, he can's cut the mustard and he know's it.



That is why he's sounding like he's on the defensive with all his tweets.
 
Of that list, the three ive highlighted says it all. Why if your Yamaha, do you upset the apple cart. The press would twist and gouge that relationship till they came to blows. Not that it would need that much twisting.. I think they are stupid for even considering it to be honest. And maybe they are not. They might just be saying all the right things for appearances.

Animosity?



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