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A world without Valentino Rossi

Joined Apr 2011
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Gold Coast
Hi everyone, this is my first post here after lurking for quite a while. I thought id just chuck this thought out there.



First up, I am a Rossi fan. I dont know if you would call me a "bopper", but I do like my dude to win
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On the other hand, I do like Hayden, and I do hope one day that he puts it all together again and moves to the front of the pack. I also like Edwards, and dont mind watching Randy ride like a ...... maniac too. I have nearly zero time for Stoner. The dude is an absolute demon rider, and I respect him for that, but other than that, I couldnt care less. Just thought id get that out of the way
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Anywho, with all this Rossi hate getting around, i thought i might put this thought into your heads. What would motorsport, maybe even more sports than just that, be like if Rossi had never become a bike racer. Mr Squiggles post about how times are going to go back to the way they use to when everyone loved each other and loved all riders equally struck a nerve with me. .... that ..... If thats what the population want, then I feel sorry for them. Maybe everyone should wear beige cardigans, and have sensible haircuts. Maybe we all should have velcro strapped shoes, all root for the same footy team and eat the same thing for dinner every night. Can you imagine 140,000 beige wearing motorcycle fans on the side of a european race track, screaming "yay everyone!!" Not real impressive huh?



Rossi, like it nor not, is not just MotoGp, he is motorsport everwhere. Can you imagine what the field would be like if he'd taken up soccer instead. It would be safe to say that the riders would be sterile helmet wearing robots, they way they used to be. The rule about riders having their helmets off on the grid was spawned during Rossi's era, to get the fans to get up close and personal with the riders. There would be almost zero waving to the camera. In days past, the thousand yard stare on the grid was what it was all about. As minute as it sounds, just that little stupid wave that they do, gets the fans that bit closer with their favourite riders. That influence has even passed into other forms including car racing. The time of the steely eyed athlete has passed, as they have to sell their brand now. Whats the best way to do that? Get in the way of the camera.



After race antics, like it or not, is here. I pity the fool that didnt giggle when Rossi ran into the porta dunny. Do you think Lorenzo would be the same dude if Rossi hadnt turned up? Not likely. From what I understand, his dad was breeding him into a stone cold racer. Then he broke away from his father and became what he is today, and that, is directly influenced by valentino rossi.



Again, like it or not, the controversy that always surrounds him (vale), is always a talking point. What the .... would you guys talk about if he wasnt racing? What is the best method to press your beige trousers? The guy is the "show", and the show will never be the same again. In 100 years when he is dead and gone, there will always be another bloke who will try to emulate him, and so he has changed the face of sport forever.



All Im saying is, that even if you ....... hate everything about him, which I know, there are a couple of people in here that do, and even if you couldnt give a crap about his world titles, you still cant deny the fact that everything that surrounds him has made life entertaining for everyone. Even if you cant stand the fact that he went and apologised to stoner, for example, you must agree that it gave you a bit of entertainment, and that, in my eyes is what life is all about.



Life without colour, would be a very ....... boring thing.....
 
Is this thread for real?



Sterile like in previous years? motoGP will continue on like it has with about 50% less people watching it. That to me is a good thing because Dorna has put all their eggs in one basket (Rossi) which is never the right thing to do, especially when it brings in fans like yourself.



Where do you start with this thread?



Meh, Jumkie will chat with you - personally I'm all about giving Reg a hard time.
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I don't care about "the show" as you put it.

I just enjoy the racing, which afterall is what it is all about.

I enjoy Rossi & Lorenzo's racing abilities but to be honest I'm over the post race antics.

At first they were amusing I'll grant you that. But not anymore.

I realise that is just my opinion. Some people love that stuff & good luck to them.

But most of those people who love that stuff are the fans that wont still be watching when he is gone.

For the rest of us the racing will still be & always will be what matters most.

Motogp is not one person. There is an incredible amount of talent on the grid & there still will be when Vale calls it a day.
 
Digger, we already have a "hi my name is.." introductions board.





Welcome.
 
what constitutes a real fan ........?



is 50% less fans good for the sport? not in my eyes. less fans, less sponsors, less money, less manufacturers, less bikes, all of a sudden motogp is dead. Prototype racing will be taken over by wsbk (maybe not such a bad thing, wsbk is still cool)



Like I said, like it or not, he has made the sport what it is. He has brought in money and talking points, which is what makes a business work (although it seems at times dorna dont know how to run a business).



MotoGp should be for everyone. The purists will just appriciate the skill of the riders, and thats fine, but if people want to follow a particular rider, great too. If we all did the same thing, .... would be boring dude.
 
what constitutes a real fan ........?



is 50% less fans good for the sport? not in my eyes. less fans, less sponsors, less money, less manufacturers, less bikes, all of a sudden motogp is dead. Prototype racing will be taken over by wsbk (maybe not such a bad thing, wsbk is still cool)



Like I said, like it or not, he has made the sport what it is. He has brought in money and talking points, which is what makes a business work (although it seems at times dorna dont know how to run a business).



MotoGp should be for everyone. The purists will just appriciate the skill of the riders, and thats fine, but if people want to follow a particular rider, great too. If we all did the same thing, .... would be boring dude.

Well according to you ........, he is motoGP, so once he retires the sport is over. Use some of your logic!!



ps Have a nice (yellow) day.
 
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About ur topic, i think a world without Nicky Hayden would be infinitely worse than a world without Valentino Rossi.
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About ur topic, i think a world without Nicky Hayden would be infinitely worse than a world without Valentino Rossi.
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Sorry Jums, bit a world without chocolate and brolly dolly's would be far worse than your selection, perhaps even if we combine my two (hmmmm, a world without chocolate covered brolly dollys --- nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo)
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hahaha @ jumkie
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Better yellow than beige cardigan boy
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Ill make sure theres a seat out of the sun for you, cause I know you beige people burn easily.



The point of my post was to make a point about what motogp would be like if he never came in to start with. I think it would be a completely different place, and that it has been changed for the better. Not what would happen when he leaves.
 
Hi everyone, this is my first post here after lurking for quite a while. I thought id just chuck this thought out there.



First up, I am a Rossi fan. I dont know if you would call me a "bopper", but I do like my dude to win
<
On the other hand, I do like Hayden, and I do hope one day that he puts it all together again and moves to the front of the pack. I also like Edwards, and dont mind watching Randy ride like a ...... maniac too. I have nearly zero time for Stoner. The dude is an absolute demon rider, and I respect him for that, but other than that, I couldnt care less. Just thought id get that out of the way
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Anywho, with all this Rossi hate getting around, i thought i might put this thought into your heads. What would motorsport, maybe even more sports than just that, be like if Rossi had never become a bike racer. Mr Squiggles post about how times are going to go back to the way they use to when everyone loved each other and loved all riders equally struck a nerve with me. .... that ..... If thats what the population want, then I feel sorry for them. Maybe everyone should wear beige cardigans, and have sensible haircuts. Maybe we all should have velcro strapped shoes, all root for the same footy team and eat the same thing for dinner every night. Can you imagine 140,000 beige wearing motorcycle fans on the side of a european race track, screaming "yay everyone!!" Not real impressive huh?



Rossi, like it nor not, is not just MotoGp, he is motorsport everwhere. Can you imagine what the field would be like if he'd taken up soccer instead. It would be safe to say that the riders would be sterile helmet wearing robots, they way they used to be. The rule about riders having their helmets off on the grid was spawned during Rossi's era, to get the fans to get up close and personal with the riders. There would be almost zero waving to the camera. In days past, the thousand yard stare on the grid was what it was all about. As minute as it sounds, just that little stupid wave that they do, gets the fans that bit closer with their favourite riders. That influence has even passed into other forms including car racing. The time of the steely eyed athlete has passed, as they have to sell their brand now. Whats the best way to do that? Get in the way of the camera.



After race antics, like it or not, is here. I pity the fool that didnt giggle when Rossi ran into the porta dunny. Do you think Lorenzo would be the same dude if Rossi hadnt turned up? Not likely. From what I understand, his dad was breeding him into a stone cold racer. Then he broke away from his father and became what he is today, and that, is directly influenced by valentino rossi.



Again, like it or not, the controversy that always surrounds him (vale), is always a talking point. What the .... would you guys talk about if he wasnt racing? What is the best method to press your beige trousers? The guy is the "show", and the show will never be the same again. In 100 years when he is dead and gone, there will always be another bloke who will try to emulate him, and so he has changed the face of sport forever.



All Im saying is, that even if you ....... hate everything about him, which I know, there are a couple of people in here that do, and even if you couldnt give a crap about his world titles, you still cant deny the fact that everything that surrounds him has made life entertaining for everyone. Even if you cant stand the fact that he went and apologised to stoner, for example, you must agree that it gave you a bit of entertainment, and that, in my eyes is what life is all about.



Life without colour, would be a very ....... boring thing.....



Welcome....



Not sure if I agree with all of this but your summary is spot on and poignant indeed for the haters. Their absolute hatred for VR and their incessant desire to see him fail and ridicule his every move no doubt gets them much more excited on race weekend and adds weight to their decision to outlay for a trip their national motogp event, buy a videopass etc.



And vice-versa, Rossi fans and Racing fans/fans of other riders have exponentially grown in number in Rossi's era, as has the professionalism of the sport, the safety of the sport and the financial rewards for all working in the sport-even with the GFC......



Unfortunately the only thing that hasn't improved is the quality of the racing, much of this is down to technology and absurd regulations. Of note, when there has been any seriously memorable and seriously discussed racing in the 800cc era, only one man has always been involved......



2007

Qatar, Catalunya, Assen

2008

Laguna Seca

2009

Catalunya, Germany

2010

Motegi, Malaysia, Germany
 
Sorry Jums, bit a world without chocolate and brolly dolly's would be far worse than your selection, perhaps even if we combine my two (hmmmm, a world without chocolate covered brolly dollys --- nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo)
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Welcome....



Not sure if I agree with all of this but your summary is spot on and poignant indeed for the haters. Their absolute hatred for VR and their incessant desire to see him fail and ridicule his every move no doubt gets them much more excited on race weekend and adds weight to their decision to outlay for a trip their national motogp event, by a videopass etc.



And vice-versa, Rossi fans and Racing fans/fans of other riders have exponentially grown in number in Rossi's era, as has the professionalism of the sport, the safety of the sport and the financial rewards for all working in the sport-even with the GFC......



Unfortunately the only thing that hasn't improved is the quality of the racing, much of this is down to technology and absurd regulations. Of note, when there has been any seriously memorable and seriously discussed racing in the 800cc era, only one man has always been involved......



2007

Qatar, Catalunya, Assen

2008

Laguna Seca

2009

Catalunya, Germany

2010

Motegi, Malaysia, Germany



Indeed Talpa. Like him or hate him (looks like its swinging to the hate side of the park atm), it is entertaining.
 
It would be safe to say that the riders would be sterile helmet wearing robots, they way they used to be.



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Sterile helmet wearing robots? You have definitely taken a few swigs from the yellow chalice at communion. Definitely a bopper.
 
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Sterile helmet wearing robots? You have definitely taken a few swigs from the yellow chalice at communion. Definitely a bopper.



Example? Some people keep nailing rossi and lorenzo for their flamboyance, which is in stark contrast to a lot of the riders or old, hence the term, sterile robots
 
Since I began watching I consider the early to mid 90's to be the most competative era. I didn't see Rossi racing then & it was an absolute cracker most races, very entertaining. Moto GP was doing fine just then & when Rossi leaves, it will return to a similar state with the current crop of riders duking it out.



A world without Rossi = Equality for all, something that has been lacking over the last decade.



No one person is a sport. There was Moto GP before Rossi, something that i think a few of his fans weren't aware of & sure as ...., there will be Moto GP after Rossi.

It will just be a fairer fight sorted on track between the riders, not in some dark room love fest between Rossi & Dorna.
 
Example? Some people keep nailing rossi and lorenzo for their flamboyance, which is in stark contrast to a lot of the riders or old, hence the term, sterile robots



Just to prove a point, I'm going to name two Japanese riders with more panache than Il Dottore--Norick Abe and Nori Haga. Japan, the land of 100 million robots (no offense, I'm just embracing a cultural stereotype for convenience), has produced two of the biggest nutters in motorcycle racing history. Hundreds of colorful competitors have preceded Rossi whether it's Barry Sheene or Scott Russel.



Robots in helmets? You must be talking about Anthony Gobert.



The members of PS could probably rattle off at least 50 names of professional nutters with miles of style who raced internationally in premier classes before Rossi arrived on the scene.
 
Digger, ur original post assumes that GP wouldnt hav evolved into the cookie cutter marketing circus most professional sports hav become. Rossi may just be a marketing creation. Hav u ever heard how they present team sports now days? For example, when commercial is presenting an upcoming game they say "watch Kobe Bryant and the Lakers". Marketing firms hav employed armies of diverse research to figure out how best to get viewers and repeat consumers of their brand. Rossi is the brand Dorna has sold u. And u seem to have bought it. As u say, he is the show. The thing is, for some of us, the competition racing itself is what we are more interested. Take a closer look at all brands and how they are marketed to Joe-faceless-consumer. I think u will find a pattern. Rossi is that brand sold to u in GP. The problem with that is that to sustain it, the competition must be compromised. My perspective.
 
Digger, ur original post assumes that GP wouldnt hav evolved into the cookie cutter marketing circus most professional sports hav become. Rossi may just be a marketing creation. Hav u ever heard how they present team sports now days? For example, when commercial is presenting an upcoming game they say "watch Kobe Bryant and the Lakers". Marketing firms hav employed armies of diverse research to figure out how best to get viewers and repeat consumers of their brand. Rossi is the brand Dorna has sold u. And u seem to have bought it. As u say, he is the show. The thing is, for some of us, the competition racing itself is what we are more interested. Take a closer look at all brands and how they are marketed to Joe-faceless-consumer. I think u will find a pattern. Rossi is that brand sold to u in GP. The problem with that is that to sustain it, the competition must be compromised. My perspective.



Is that a bad thing if it puts bums on seats and is ultimatly beneficial to the sport in question, am sure more people will stay with the sport post Rossi than will leave it with him and that has got to be a good thing, just my opinion.



Will he be missed? By some I suppose but not for long, but there are plenty of other exciting riders that will take the sport on as is always the case!
 
Lots of good points in this thread.



I can see why the original poster likes Rossi. The guy has been really exciting and done some great things. However it's important to remember that the sport is bigger than him; exciting personalities and baffling talents have come before and they will come after he has retired.



As for the Rossi hate, a lot of us can find reasons to be annoyed with him and even dislike him (myself included). But isn't it funny how the winners across different sports, both team and individual sports, all have their strong contingents of haters? The Yankees, Wild Cats, Blue Devils, Tar Heels, Buckeyes, Cowboys, Patriots, Earnhardt, Jimmie Johnson, Michael Schumacher, The Scuderia....all these champs/winners have legions of detractors accusing them of cheating, receiving favoritism from organizers, or both.



Is there a pattern here? Or is Rossi really that awful?
 

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