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The latest reports are that Marc requires a 3rd surgery on his arm as the bone has not healed well enough to be structurally sound.

The 3rd surgery will most likely invoice a bone graft from his pelvis and has a long recovery time (12 weeks of immobilisation/restricted movement before rehab can even start).

Honda aren't confirming this yet, but they are not denying it either.

Apparently, this is why Dovi hasn't taken a test rider role for next year. He's thinks there is a good chance that he will be jumping on Marc's bike at the start of the season...

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-faces-further-blow-that-could-delay-motogp-return/

Macca
 
I was hoping this would not be the case but I've seen this sort of situation before where there's poor healing with the need for further surgery and bone grafting.

This could well be career altering unfortunately. Wrong limb is the problem. With a leg, he could do a Doohan. However, the upper limbs take a lot of force under braking.

This final procedure had better work.
 
Here's hoping it does work.
Love watching him test, find and push the limit and his will to win.
He may have to tone it down a bit.
If this doesn't make him more conservative it's hard to see what will.
 
It was always going to be this way with him.

Riding like that something like this was bound to happen, as has been pointed out many times.

Let’s see if he can pull through, here’s to hoping and pulling for him.
 
IMO it wasn’t his riding or the crash that was the main problem. I know this is what everyone is focussing on. What caused the problem was him deciding he needed to back so soon. Hindsight is 20/20 but he could missed the opening 2 or 3 rounds and been in a position now to win the title and at worst be in a better position for next year. By willing himself to be ready for round 2 he’s put a lot in jeopardy, that’s the lesson here IMO. Crashes happen to everyone, yes more often to him. But being hit by the bike and it breaking your arm is just bad luck.

People atm are loving be able to stand up and say I told you so, with a potentially career ending crash.
 
Now next issue is coming into play. Allegedly HRC is not happy, they feel they have not informed sufficiently by Marc and his management team about his condition.

What if Marc is now the one who is going to get a sabbatical ... and then join Ducati perhaps? This is just my fantasy, there is no reason to believe anything like this is even possible.
 
p4p1 said:
IMO it wasn’t his riding or the crash that was the main problem. I know this is what everyone is focussing on. What caused the problem was him deciding he needed to back so soon. Hindsight is 20/20 but he could missed the opening 2 or 3 rounds and been in a position now to win the title and at worst be in a better position for next year. By willing himself to be ready for round 2 he’s put a lot in jeopardy, that’s the lesson here IMO. Crashes happen to everyone, yes more often to him. But being hit by the bike and it breaking your arm is just bad luck.

People atm are loving be able to stand up and say I told you so, with a potentially career ending crash.
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I agree. A serious error was made in thinking that he could return that early with such an injury and compete at such a high level. This wasn't a fractured clavicle.
 
misfit said:
I agree. A serious error was made in thinking that he could return that early with such an injury and compete at such a high level. This wasn't a fractured clavicle.
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You have been correct about this medically all along, it looks like vascularisation has ended up being the problem if they are talking bone grafts, and whichever doctors thought the early return was a good idea should probably look for a different profession.

MM and team have always made their own choices as well though, and have never been particularly amenable to taking advice from Honda or anyone else, cf the Willairot thing, PI 2013, and the whole 2015 season.
 
p4p1 said:
IMO it wasn’t his riding or the crash that was the main problem. I know this is what everyone is focussing on. What caused the problem was him deciding he needed to back so soon. Hindsight is 20/20 but he could missed the opening 2 or 3 rounds and been in a position now to win the title and at worst be in a better position for next year. By willing himself to be ready for round 2 he’s put a lot in jeopardy, that’s the lesson here IMO. Crashes happen to everyone, yes more often to him. But being hit by the bike and it breaking your arm is just bad luck.

People atm are loving be able to stand up and say I told you so, with a potentially career ending crash.
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I get your point. However, his coming back too soon is the same symptom as trying to prove in practice that the young whippersnappers needn’t bother. Just unnecessary in the larger frame of important things. This failure to be able to hold back just a little has been with him since day one and shows no sign of receding.

Sure getting hit by the bike in the accident was bad luck but if he hadn’t been pushing so hard it would not have happened.
 
Bern1 said:
I get your point. However, his coming back too soon is the same symptom as trying to prove in practice that the young whippersnappers needn’t bother. Just unnecessary in the larger frame of important things. This failure to be able to hold back just a little has been with him since day one and shows no sign of receding.

Sure getting hit by the bike in the accident was bad luck but if he hadn’t been pushing so hard it would not have happened.
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The likes of Doohan, Rainey, Lawson, Stoner and Marquez get to where they are because they don’t hold back. They all suffered injuries in the process. But if holding back means coming second or worst still being knocked off that pedestal of being the most committed rider on the grid well then........Motorsport ain’t tennis.

I don’t expect many to agree but I actually feel this injury related pause could potentially prolong Marquez’s career to avoid burn out. He’s been at it since a very young age afterall. Alternatively he may have now discovered there’s more to life than motogp, not such a bad thing either really.
 
birdman said:
The likes of Doohan, Rainey, Lawson, Stoner and Marquez get to where they are because they don’t hold back. They all suffered injuries in the process. But if holding back means coming second or worst still being knocked off that pedestal of being the most committed rider on the grid well then........Motorsport ain’t tennis.

I don’t expect many to agree but I actually feel this injury related pause could potentially prolong Marquez’s career to avoid burn out. He’s been at it since a very young age afterall. Alternatively he may have now discovered there’s more to life than motogp, not such a bad thing either really.
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I agree with all of that, but great though he is he does require a functional arm to be a motogp rider, and a 3rd operation which involves a bone graft is rather a worry. One commentator has actually said gruesome though Doohan’s leg injury was he could work around it, working around a suboptimally functioning arm is a little harder to manage.
 
michaelm said:
I agree with all of that, but great though he is he does require a functional arm to be a motogp rider, and a 3rd operation which involves a bone graft is rather a worry. One commentator has actually said gruesome though Doohan’s leg injury was he could work around it, working around a suboptimally functioning arm is a little harder to manage.
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As I’m sure you are aware at its worst point Doohan’s leg was almost at the point of requiring amputation to avoid the spread of infection. If this is Marquez’s injury at its worst point, requiring a bone marrow infusion, potentially not riding again any time soon, banging some hot chicks in the meantime. Not so bad in reality.
 
birdman said:
As I’m sure you are aware at its worst point Doohan’s leg was almost at the point of requiring amputation to avoid the spread of infection. If this is Marquez’s injury at its worst point, requiring a bone marrow infusion, potentially not riding again any time soon, banging some hot chicks in the meantime. Not so bad in reality.
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No, a bone graft, suggests he has had problems with the vascular supply to the bone as misfit who gives every appearance of having some background in orthopaedics thought might be a problem from the start. If the fracture isn't healing in 4 months or more after 2 operations it is not a given it will ever heal in a satisfactory manner.

I am well aware Mick nearly lost that leg, similarly from vascular supply problems but not just to the bone. He was left with a not very functional leg, although it is much better now after multiple operations post his retirement I am led to believe, and what he did riding with one leg was remarkable, but there were workarounds like the hand/thumb operated brake or whatever, not so much for riding with one arm.
 
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Bern1 said:
I would bet the early return was MM’s idea.
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Without question. The list of people who failed to stop him from doing so is long though...his team, manager, HRC, hell even his dad should have put their foot down, but this god complex he must have by now...

It sounds like his arm is in bad shape at any rate, and he's keeping quiet about it for his next ride.
 
We don't know that, but if doctors who performed this surgery failed to warn him the plate is only to hold it together until it heals and not a bone strength replacement then those people must take most of the blame. But if they did and Marc thought, eh, I have heard these warnings before, nothing happened, than it's Marc himself.
 
Segfault said:
We don't know that, but if doctors who performed this surgery failed to warn him the plate is only to hold it together until it heals and not a bone strength replacement then those people must take most of the blame. But if they did and Marc thought, eh, I have heard these warnings before, nothing happened, than it's Marc himself.
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I can’t imagine he wasn’t told by them, but I could see him thinking Jorge Lorenzo rode 2 days after having a clavicular fracture plated, I am tougher than him. As misfit and I have both said, a fractured humerus, particularly an atypical one such as MM’s, is a different beast than a clavicle fracture however.

What transpired between MM and his own doctors is his personal business, but Dorna/motogp have their own doctors who are independent of MM and his team, and how he was passed fit to ride by them is an entirely different consideration which misfit questioned from the getgo.
 
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