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Did Ciabatti leave Ducati completely? Was he so mad about his reassignment that he shanghai'ed the MotoGP team? Burned his rolodex and kicked his business partners' dogs?

Remember when Preziosi was reassigned by Ducati? Did Ducati switch to the aluminum frame because Preziosi departed and they couldn't make carbon work? or did Preziosi depart the GP team because Ducati dismantled his carbon MotoGP kingdom while the 2012 regulations were being renegotiated?

Ducati have been playing 3d chess for the last 10 years. Ducati are not unaware of the personnel and methodologies responsible for the team's ascent. History is repeating. New technical regulations have been (are being) negotiated. Ducati reassigned one of their most important people. Everything that person built is being dismantled. Though history is repeating, many journalists are classifying these goings-on as a series of inexplicable blunders by Ducati.

Nothing would be different if Ciabatti were still in the GP paddock. The unraveling of his business empire was negotiated. It's not falling apart because he left. He left because the builder does not need to preside or participate in the controlled demolition of his creation.
Agree with most of this, and with a post by another that Ducati’s recent success has been built on a youth policy.

I don’t see how MM is to blame as many elsewhere are saying though. He made his choices, and the other riders and Ducati made theirs. As far as riders go they were going to lose 2 out of 3 top echelon riders tegardless, it was just a question whether MM would be one of the two. Martin had pretty much ousted Bastianini before MM had even ridden a Ducati, and Martin ousted himself. They are hardly young promising riders anymore either, both are at or near the peaks of their careers and while both wanting factory rides preferably as the number 1 rider is understandable it is/was their choice.

Ducati were never going to be able to continue having 3 satellite teams either, particularly when Yamaha with no satellite team was prepared to spend big to get one. Whether Pramac should have been the one they let go is a different question, but again Ducati decided to subsidise them less which to me looked to be independent of MM, and in the end the rumour was that they would only stay with Ducati if MM signed with them, again their problem rather than MM’s.

I am not sure how realistic a hope Aldeguer is for Ducati’s future however.
 
Agree with most of this, and with a post by another that Ducati’s recent success has been built on a youth policy.

I don’t see how MM is to blame as many elsewhere are saying though. He made his choices, and the other riders and Ducati made theirs. As far as riders go they were going to lose 2 out of 3 top echelon riders tegardless, it was just a question whether MM would be one of the two. Martin had pretty much ousted Bastianini before MM had even ridden a Ducati, and Martin ousted himself. They are hardly young promising riders anymore either, both are at or near the peaks of their careers and while both wanting factory rides preferably as the number 1 rider is understandable it is/was their choice.

Ducati were never going to be able to continue having 3 satellite teams either, particularly when Yamaha with no satellite team was prepared to spend big to get one. Whether Pramac should have been the one they let go is a different question, but again Ducati decided to subsidise them less which to me looked to be independent of MM, and in the end the rumour was that they would only stay with Ducati if MM signed with them, again their problem rather than MM’s.

I am not sure how realistic a hope Aldeguer is for Ducati’s future however.
I agree, no blame on Marquez because he did what he had to do and the others in turn chose what’s best for them. The only point was that under Ciabatti, this was unlikely to happen in the first place. I note that he wasn’t too keen when Gresini was looking to sign M. Marquez, but was overruled in a way by Gigi.

Losing Pramac is something they could and probably should have tried to avoid, but we’ve already discussed the potential commercial benefits of the VR46 association for Ducati.

I also am not 100% convinced of Aldeguer either; he’s had flashes of brilliance but nowhere near the dominance of Acosta, and is currently the 3rd, maybe 4th fastest Boscoscuro rider in Moto2.

Not too bothered by any of this in the grand scheme of things; all of this is setting up the second half of 2024 and all of 2025 to be VERY interesting as a fan.
 
A few notes from FP1

- The commentators seem mighty comfortable saying “Pramac Yamaha”. I’m assuming the announcement is coming today or tomorrow
- Quartararo looks fast. Maybe that new engine is a genuine step forward
- Honda apparently will only have new parts in September. I don’t know what HRC is up to but progress, it ain’t
- Pecco is still the best of the Ducati starters(Practice start session). Almost robotic in his rhythm
 
A few notes from FP1

- The commentators seem mighty comfortable saying “Pramac Yamaha”. I’m assuming the announcement is coming today or tomorrow
- Quartararo looks fast. Maybe that new engine is a genuine step forward
- Honda apparently will only have new parts in September. I don’t know what HRC is up to but progress, it ain’t
- Pecco is still the best of the Ducati starters(Practice start session). Almost robotic in his rhythm
I wouldn't read much into FP1 results. Wasn't Rins 2nd in FP1 at Mugello before finishing like 15th in the race as the Top Japanese bike?
 
I wouldn't read much into FP1 results. Wasn't Rins 2nd in FP1 at Mugello before finishing like 15th in the race as the Top Japanese bike?
It’s not about the results in absolute terms but the slow but steady forward progression.

Yamaha still can’t match the sheer data crunching Ducati does from day 1-3, but they are moving forward.
 
Do you think Mav looked into his future at Aprilia and saw a replay of his Yamaha stint with Jorge taking on the role Fabio played at Yamaha? Mav gets butt-hurt quite easily.
Somebody call the Waahmbulance!
 

Wow. What a read about the Pramac Yamaha move…
7 year deal, my word!
 

Wow. What a read about the Pramac Yamaha move…
7 year deal, my word!

Job security! For companies - everyone's job security.

I saw the Ducati celebrations with the 1-2 and I never thought anything particular about it.

A few notes from FP1

- Honda apparently will only have new parts in September. I don’t know what HRC is up to but progress, it ain’t
What the .... September? This is not the kind of dynamic development that's needed to move up the grid. Do they have a long term plan to get more concessions before putting the hard work in?
 

Wow. What a read about the Pramac Yamaha move…
7 year deal, my word!

"I held back for a long time because of my personal, deep friendship with Gigi Dall'Igna. It took me time to metabolize. But I made up my mind when I saw that Bastianini's overtaking of Martin, at Mugello, aroused incredible enthusiasm in the Ducati garage. I understand Tardozzi, but there was also Claudio Domenicali, Milicia, everyone, in short ... but why, isn't Martin one of their riders?"

While I don't think this is the real reason ($$$ probably mattered more), it's funny to think a hotheaded emotional response caused this entire thing.
 
Well, as far as Ciabatti is concerned, he got a promotion because he now reports directly to the CEO instead of CEO+1 . So he did well for himself and I’m happy for him.

As for Ducati MotoGP, Ciabatti’s policy was youth over experience. Which is now thrown out of the window. Is it a master stroke? Time will tell. But it is indeed undeniable that Ducati had 3 title contenders and possibly the best satellite team in the grid and they don’t anymore.

Considering what he built, he deserved a promotion. The factory's embarrassment of riches on the personnel front was surely Ciabatti's handy work.

My incredulity stems from journalists who seem to believe that the 3d chess masters of this era accidentally moved one of their checkers into the wrong spot and got triple-jumped. It's possible that Ducati could have blundered, but considering the proximity of this shift to re-negotiation of the formula and the sale of Dorna to Liberty, this just looks like history repeating--Ducati are presumably sacrificing something to receive something else.

Time will tell whether Ducati have another plan to gain leverage during the 850's or whether they believe MotoGP has been depleted. Off-road may be the shiny new object in Bologna.
 
My incredulity stems from journalists who seem to believe that the 3d chess masters of this era accidentally moved one of their checkers into the wrong spot and got triple-jumped. It's possible that Ducati could have blundered, but considering the proximity of this shift to re-negotiation of the formula and the sale of Dorna to Liberty, this just looks like history repeating--Ducati are presumably sacrificing something to receive something else.

Time will tell whether Ducati have another plan to gain leverage during the 850's or whether they believe MotoGP has been depleted. Off-road may be the shiny new object in Bologna.
Fair points, but the counter argument is that failure is not sudden, it’s usually a series of unfortunate events.

No one could have predicted Yamaha’s slow downward spiral after they let Lorenzo rage quit. Or the all conquering HRC of 2019 will be scraping the bottom of the barrel less than half a decade later.

That said, I dont think Ducati is any less focused on MotoGP and road racing in general. At least not yet. Motocross is a mid term project at least and it will be a few years before they will be consistently competitive.

But damn, do I want that single cylinder engine in a modern day Ducati Supermono or what!
 
For the first time in a decade I think Ducati shot themselves on the foot.
Maybe VR and VR46 have shot themselves in the foot. The die seems to be cast if Pramac have a 7 year contract with Yamaha, I myself having always thought Valentino would end up being the factory team principal a la Ago and KRSr, which I guess could still happen. Perhaps he is not all that interested in running a team and is being the figurehead for his associates. Will he still be the ultimate Yamaha icon if his team is identified with Ducati long term ?. And they have knocked back Yamaha despite by both my own surmise and reports being unhappy about MM being signed to the Ducati factory team.

Perhaps MM also apart from the VR connections didn't want to go to Pramac because it would disadvantage Gresini who have treated him well as he more or less said and kept them at the bottom of the Ducati totem pole while re-ensconcing Pramac well ahead of them. Gresini were also rumoured to have been approached by Yamaha where MM wouldn't have gone. I wonder if they were made an offer anything like the one Pramac has accepted ?.
 
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