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Interestingly, Ducati came up with an option for Marc and Jorge to 'fight to the death' for the 2025 factory ride. Predictably, neither rider wanted to play that game, because neither of them had to.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/n...n-track-for-2025-ducati-motogp-seat/10619999/
Pretty ridiculous to expect either of them to engage in such a contest and let their other options go, to say nothing of personal sponsorships etc as MM said.

Will be interesting, if not very, to see what happens with the personal sponsorships. Hard to know where the line is drawn currently if the principal of a Ducati team can be both an ambassador for Yamaha and walk around the Ducati pits wearing a Yamaha cap with the rest of his Ducati team’s garb.
 
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Just my very subjective opinion. But one I believe is shared. He always comes off a bit prissy and wary of being in front of the camera, distracted and not fully present when being interviewed. He's always seems to be very quick to turn and walk away after interviews, as if he needs to go sit in a closet and collect himself. Marc on the other hand really enjoys being interviewed. The camera loves him, a quality he shares with Barry Sheene who only won one championship, but was worshipped for his personality, fans wanted to be like Barry. Nobody wants to emulate Bagnaia.
Maybe. People mostly didn’t exactly love Casey Stoner, and certainly Dorna didn’t, but he was my favourite ever rider even ahead of Mick Doohan (loved Nicky as well), snd rode like a god those 2 title winning seasons, and nearly every year at PI.

Sheene was just a charming man, and much loved as a commentator in his retirement in Australia. His racing career was before my time, but to be pedantic he won two titles I believe.
 
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Any rider who calls a Freddie Spencer special a “Clown penalty” and proceeds to win the race is pretty alright in the personality department.
 
Just my very subjective opinion. But one I believe is shared. He always comes off a bit prissy and wary of being in front of the camera, distracted and not fully present when being interviewed. He's always seems to be very quick to turn and walk away after interviews, as if he needs to go sit in a closet and collect himself. Marc on the other hand really enjoys being interviewed. The camera loves him, a quality he shares with Barry Sheene who only won one championship, but was worshipped for his personality, fans wanted to be like Barry. Nobody wants to emulate Bagnaia.
I once put a car into the ditch when I was pissed to!😩
 
Maybe. People mostly didn’t exactly love Casey Stoner, and certainly Dorna didn’t, but he was my favourite ever rider even ahead of Mick Doohan (loved Nicky as well), snd rode like a god those 2 title winning seasons, and nearly every year at PI.

Sheene was just a charming man, and much loved as a commentator in his retirement in Australia. His racing career was before my time, but to be pedantic he won two titles I believe.
My bad, all these years I had the wrong impression that Sheene had only taken 1. Makes me happy to know the truth. He was a big favorite of mine. His championship seasons were a few years before I started following the sport (in '79), but I used to buy Geoff Duke's VCR tapes shipped from the Isle of Man to watch races from Sheene's era, my favorite races were at Monza and Donnington Park, and of course the Atlantic Match Races. I always liked Stoner. Personality-wise, on the surface he was all about that kind of Bunyip/Calvanist modesty, but one always sensed the obsessive work ethic, the fire within, and a bit of temper that he strained to repress. I think a big part of the reason Stoner was not so well received was due to Rossi's huge presence and the way his personality grew the large crowds, who were so loyal to him. People in cults tend to be very one-dimensional, and incapable of appreciating anyone other than the object of their obsession. Glad you mentioned Nicky too. He was of course beloved by all. I believe he really was an aw shucks kind of guy, almost a little too nice, very much a Kentucky down home boy. I got to briefly meet his dad and two of his brothers at at t-shirt stand at Laguna and they too were no-........, salt-of-the-earth types. Nicky too, was totally present in interviews. Very much an open book.
 
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Perhaps a little harsh.

He is a very good rider, probably the guy who rides the aero bikes best, and doesn t seem to want much except to win races and titles. His continuing association with Rossi including having him in the pits when he is the principal of another team annoys me, but that is me, and I perhaps anticipate less of that next year. He is not the first guy to want a compliant team mate either, although this didn’t characterise my actual heroes.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Pecco an ex ranchero so he will be civil to Rossi whatever he really thinks. Besides would you tell Rossi to .... off just because he wants to blow smoke up your arse and get on his wrong side? Wouldn’t be sensible.
We all have to suffer ......... and this could be the cross he has to bear?
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Pecco an ex ranchero so he will be civil to Rossi whatever he really thinks. Besides would you tell Rossi to .... off just because he wants to blow smoke up your arse and get on his wrong side? Wouldn’t be sensible.
We all have to suffer ......... and this could be the cross he has to bear?
I've wondered the same thing. In those moments in Parc Ferme, he comes off as a bit of a desperate star-...... trying to bask in Pecco's limelight.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Pecco an ex ranchero so he will be civil to Rossi whatever he really thinks. Besides would you tell Rossi to .... off just because he wants to blow smoke up your arse and get on his wrong side? Wouldn’t be sensible.
We all have to suffer ......... and this could be the cross he has to bear?
Pecco was and is a VR46 academy rider. The whole reason he has a career is the academy.

He and the other Academy riders will celebrate with Rossi as much as they want.

Cope.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Pecco an ex ranchero so he will be civil to Rossi whatever he really thinks. Besides would you tell Rossi to .... off just because he wants to blow smoke up your arse and get on his wrong side? Wouldn’t be sensible.
We all have to suffer ......... and this could be the cross he has to bear?
I really have very little problem with Bagnaia, I consider him to be a very good rider who may end up an all time great, perhaps in short order, and he can have whatever personality is natural for him as far as I am concerned.

The Rossi advising Bagnaia how to deal with Marquez stuff this season is what annoyed me, particularly if Bagnaia took his advice at Portimao, MM having done nothing to Bagnaia as far as I am aware.
 
Pecco was and is a VR46 academy rider. The whole reason he has a career is the academy.

He and the other Academy riders will celebrate with Rossi as much as they want.

Cope.
I thought I was throwing you a bone with that post mon ami !
 
Yea, this may be true but in Rossi's defense, he (Rossi) didn't feel the need to post pictures/videos of himself doing squats days after breaking his leg. And let's be honest, that was a horrific injury. Call me crazy but I always thought that Marc's push-ups may have done damage and the whole window story was just that, a story or the trigger for aggravating the injury from damage by the push-ups. As someone who has dealt with lower back issues my entire adult life, I know about the old; "I just bent down to tie my shoe and my back went out." The back is compromised long before tying the shoe. That bit is just a trigger for the inevitable. If not the shoe then maybe a sneeze. I've done both and many more. Always felt Marc's opening the window was the equivalent to the shoe or the sneeze. It was going to happen.
Sorry, I missed this earlier. I totally agree. Marc was silly trying to come back so soon and I think the fallout of that is some of the reason he changed his management team.
 
Pecco was and is a VR46 academy rider. The whole reason he has a career is the academy.

He and the other Academy riders will celebrate with Rossi as much as they want.

Cope.
Rossi deserves great credit for the academy and the renaissance of Italian riders in the sport, Bagnaia being the most successful so far and one who has succeeded greatly, and I for one am very happy to give it to him.

Boasting publicly about advising Pecco on how to deal with MM not so much, given it pre-supposes two things, firstly that Valentino has or ever had any expertise in how to deal with MM, and secondly that MM did something dastardly to Rossi, neither of which I consider to be true.
 
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And the final mask of the average valefan drops; if he finds himself without arguments, he starts with the personal attacks. Shitposter status: confirmed.
"Insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position trying to appear confident"

Don't worry, he'll scurry off for at least 6 years again soon.
 
Pecco was and is a VR46 academy rider. The whole reason he has a career is the academy.
I'm sure the academy didn't hurt but I'm thinking the fact he is insanely talented at racing motorcycles played a wee part in him getting/having a career. One has to be pretty darn good to be invited to the academy or so I would think.
 

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