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Even if some unusual riders make it onto the front row, I'm not convinced it will make much of a problem. As often within a few corners Bagnaia and Martin have made their way to the front. Often, not always.
In Moto2, Canet is looking very fast again. If he wins this race, that'll be more wins than Ogura. Canet surely has to be one of the favourites for next year's title. Good to see Navarro up there as well.
In Moto3, I didn't expect to see Alonso in 14th. Let's see what he can do in quali.
In Moto2, Canet is looking very fast again. If he wins this race, that'll be more wins than Ogura. Canet surely has to be one of the favourites for next year's title. Good to see Navarro up there as well.
In Moto3, I didn't expect to see Alonso in 14th. Let's see what he can do in quali.
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I read that as entertainment and thought yes indeed it was.
Jorge looked to have a minor flap on in the garage before the last outing of the session about a new rear tyre I think. Made me think he’d like to get it done in the sprint so needs to be closer to Pecco than he was. Qualifying will be good.
MM strangely out of sorts?
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I'm an N of only 1, yet I've not spent time with an Italian who hasn't gestured when annoyed or angry.
I've read somewhere that before Italy joined the EU, or the EEC as it was called back then, physical gesturing was part of the curriculum in secondary schools.
As for Viñales, just what did he gain by speeding a few feet from Pecco, after the session ended?
The wake of his bike, along with surprise he is bound to have on one of the two riders with something important on the line is unnecessary.
My guess is Batman is gearing up for his favourite time of the season, the tests before the first race of the season.
Good on him that he is still stoked to retain his unofficial crown as the Test King
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I can't speak to Italian school curriculum pre-EU membership with regards to gesturing.
I think it might have been a case of cresting over the hill and not realizing Pecco was dawdling on the line and the only place he had to go was to the outside. I've rewatched the video several times, and if you're doing 345kph down that straight he might have gotten caught by surprise. Thing I will say is it could have been far worse than what actually did happen.
But either way what's done is done. Guys need to stay the hell off the racing line because even cruising on those bikes are higher speeds than what you could expect on the motorway.
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Agree, he was dawdling on the racing line, whether the session was over or not, the practise start can also be used to help riders get their brake markers for the first lap.
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Agreed x 2. These things are rockets and one thing I've learned even in equipment 50% slower than these beasts, is you don't mess around with going slowly when they are on track.
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I agree, he would certainly deserve it in my books.
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I am wondering how hard he will try this week-end given both that he has said he has achieved everything he wanted to achieve this season and that he is still being accused of interfering with the 2015 title 9 years on.
If he wants to make a point he can do it on a GP24 or GP25 in the post season test a la Stoner when he first got on a Honda in the 2010 post season test.
I watched the start of FP2 and MM didn’t even come out on to the track for more than a few minutes, then went around not very quickly in formation with his brother for several laps, at which time I went to bed.I read that as entertainment and thought yes indeed it was.
Jorge looked to have a minor flap on in the garage before the last outing of the session about a new rear tyre I think. Made me think he’d like to get it done in the sprint so needs to be closer to Pecco than he was. Qualifying will be good.
MM strangely out of sorts?
I am wondering how hard he will try this week-end given both that he has said he has achieved everything he wanted to achieve this season and that he is still being accused of interfering with the 2015 title 9 years on.
If he wants to make a point he can do it on a GP24 or GP25 in the post season test a la Stoner when he first got on a Honda in the 2010 post season test.
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Absolutely. This type of thing can and has ended careers even apart from the far from negligible risk of death, cf the Willairot incident which basically did end Willairot’s career and threatened MM’s, and the Shobert/Magee incident.
Regardless of the identity of the riders concerned there is onus on both parties as you say, but imo particularly on the following rider going at a high velocity in a situation where he is blind to what is in front of him on a track which is not supposed to be live. if MM deserved to be condemned for the Willairot incident, which he did in my view, then Pecco is not the party to whom the majority of blame should be apportioned in this recent incident.
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Pecco is completely to blame. They don't get many opportunities to do practice starts going into the first corner. For Pecco to have a hand off the bike chilling on the race line was a recipe for disaster. Mav was doing his practice start and did not expect a rider to be going slow on the line. Pecco should be penalized for this but we all know he won't.
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Sure, obviously didn’t see footage of the incident, if Vinales was just doing a practice start at the spot where he would be expected to be doing a practice start then the onus is on Bagnaia.
I was just remembering Casey Stoner being pilloried because people didn’t like him for gesturing in the reverse situation on a live track. As David Emmett who occasionally posted on here at that time said when I asked about the attitude of the paddock to Stoner’s campaign on this issue they think he has a point but is being a dick about it.. Subsequently and tragically Casey proved to be completely correct about the dangers of speed differential on the racing line on a live track.
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As did Jorge Lorenzo about Simoncelli. The irony is not lost on me how the media will make jokes about a certain riders stance, then be full of remorse when said riders stance comes true in the form of a tragedy.
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This season could be viewed as a win it or bin it vs gather as many points as possible strategy with the end result being similar, only 24 points separate them going into the last round
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I'm not sure that Bagnaia was in win it or bin it mode. Just that he did bin it a lot anyway.
Enjoy the races everyone. I'm working today, and very busy all day tomorrow. So, I'm not able to watch qualifying and races live. I'll be off the site to avoid spoilers and post when I can. Enjoy: everyone.
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Interesting qualification, must be the first time Pecco was happy with lending a tow to put more bodies between him and Martín. He gets the pole with Aleix (who almost steals the first place) and Marc in front of Jorge. Martín needs one of his super starts if he wants to decide the championship later today.
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Marquez honest there in the post qual interview. Only on the front row by following Pecco. Top 5 is the target
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Best quali results for an exciting sprint and race.
Pecco on the first row, Martin on da second.
I'll be able to watch all four races during the weekend, so I hope the title isn't decided before tomorrow afternoon
Pecco on the first row, Martin on da second.
I'll be able to watch all four races during the weekend, so I hope the title isn't decided before tomorrow afternoon
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