I put the jinx on him. Everyone owes me for making this championship interesting againOuch. That didn't age well!
2024 Catalunya GP
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Good point. Catalunya was repaved recently, too, so it might not be indicative of a broader trend. Last year, the final 5 rounds, starting in Motegi, were unusual because KTM won a race and Suzuki won 2 races. Those results definitely broke the pattern of 2022, but it's undeniable that Aprilia were the big loser during that stretch. The factory team scored 36 points in 5 rounds (10 scoring attempts), and the constructor scored only 31 points, losing 2nd place to Yamaha, who weren't performing terrible well, either.
India, Indo and Qatar all lie ahead for 2023. Maybe they will change Aprilia's fortunes this year.
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Bezzecchi also did not have a medium front tire left for the restart so he chose the soft. Binder went with the hard.
Not pleasant.
Pecco was absolutely lucky in a number of ways but at the same time luck is the defining factor in so many injuries or worse. As sheerly stupid as it may sound, the speed he was spinning was a saviour as was his equipment in and around the lower leg where Binder went over. Says so much about the modern armour and suits (airbags) these guys have today as it was not that long ago where things would have been far far worse for pecco but also those other riders with their evasive actions.
Bastianine, yeah well. Out braked himself and took out the nearby pins in a way we have seen done a few times this year and one that is very standard for first corner. He tried so damn hard to avoid it but was to committed to teh corner and to late to do anything. Sh*t happens sometimes and that was one and while he is injured, thankfully from initial reports others are not so we need to look at the positives.
Did find these 2 pics out there as well that show some of the action and man, the sheer freakish nature of capturing this is remarkable
Pecco was absolutely lucky in a number of ways but at the same time luck is the defining factor in so many injuries or worse. As sheerly stupid as it may sound, the speed he was spinning was a saviour as was his equipment in and around the lower leg where Binder went over. Says so much about the modern armour and suits (airbags) these guys have today as it was not that long ago where things would have been far far worse for pecco but also those other riders with their evasive actions.
Bastianine, yeah well. Out braked himself and took out the nearby pins in a way we have seen done a few times this year and one that is very standard for first corner. He tried so damn hard to avoid it but was to committed to teh corner and to late to do anything. Sh*t happens sometimes and that was one and while he is injured, thankfully from initial reports others are not so we need to look at the positives.
Did find these 2 pics out there as well that show some of the action and man, the sheer freakish nature of capturing this is remarkable
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And they start - Vinales the first to be found violating the tyre pressure rules - lucky for him and Aprilia there is no penalty this year
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So this is a matter where Vinales was expected to be behind bikes and experience heating and increased tyre pressure, yet ended up leading most of race and pressures never reached minimum for the time prescribed.
I Alos read that second offence is a 3 second time penalty.
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Watching that crash it's almost unbelievable to me that Pecco escaped without a leg injury. He was also extremely fortunate that Brad hit him in the legs in the first place. Pecco was rotating extremely quickly on the ground, Brad had no chance to avoid him and easily could've hit him in the head or chest area.
Two consecutive points finishes for Marc, I'd be content with him just riding around for the rest of the season, no point in risking yet another injury.
Two consecutive points finishes for Marc, I'd be content with him just riding around for the rest of the season, no point in risking yet another injury.
Have seen warning, 3, 6,12 seconds
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System goes automatic
The Catalan GP marks another step forward for the new system
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IMO here but 4 chances in a year is, a hell of a lot of chances to get without something harsher but it perhaps also shows the confusion around true pressure management and how/why etc within the steward ranks
I think I have an explanation for Miguel Oliveira's bad luck this year, all is his good luck went to Pecco! That could have been so much worse!
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I think it is ......... Run the tyre in a manner that allows you to complete a race as best you can. Simple.Have seen warning, 3, 6,12 seconds
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System goes automatic
The Catalan GP marks another step forward for the new system
IMO here but 4 chances in a year is, a hell of a lot of chances to get without something harsher but it perhaps also shows the confusion around true pressure management and how/why etc within the steward ranks
Dont disagree but then I also wish that tyre pressure was not an issue either by having multiple tyre choices (build, manufacture etc) as for me and I know many others, the current tyre is a limiting factor in performance of some bike/rider combinations.
Not sure if I truly want total open slather with Saturday night specials but I would like more manufacturers and constructions types.
Again, totally IMO but if this was anything to do with genuine safety thoughts, it would have occurred after the Shinya Nakano or Scott Redding blow outs at top speed a few years back.
Interesting post mortem discussion this morning. Some fans are suggesting that Enea may have actually saved Pecco's season/career/life by causing the pileup because he created a gap that gave trailing riders time to make evasive moves around Pecco. It's an interesting take, had Pecco gone over the highside in full Lap 1 traffic, the outcome probably would have been much worse. Alpinstars is also taking a victory lap, which is probably deserved.
My focus is on the big concepts. MotoGP bikes have sophisticated electronics, and we the fans are told to tolerate them for safety reasons, but what good are the electronics if they abandon a rider at the most critical moment? Surely, what happened to Pecco is the reason electronics exist, and ye they failed spectacularly. The Binder Pecco connection also calls into question the wisdom of using active suspension and armadas of satellite bikes to create the artifice of close racing by compressing the grid. This isn't NASCAR. Does MotoGP really need 10-12 bikes within a second for the first handful of laps? Most of the great races involve dices between 2-4 riders. This era hasn't offered any classics, and yet it seeks to keep the riders bunched up.
IIRC, the 500s were still 130kg when the formula was replaced by MotoGP. Modern MotoGP bikes are 157kg (5kg more than the combined Moto3 weight limit) to accommodate the cylinder head and the harness 250hp and the prodigious tire performance. Is this really a good idea?
Anyway, glad Pecco is relatively unscathed.
My focus is on the big concepts. MotoGP bikes have sophisticated electronics, and we the fans are told to tolerate them for safety reasons, but what good are the electronics if they abandon a rider at the most critical moment? Surely, what happened to Pecco is the reason electronics exist, and ye they failed spectacularly. The Binder Pecco connection also calls into question the wisdom of using active suspension and armadas of satellite bikes to create the artifice of close racing by compressing the grid. This isn't NASCAR. Does MotoGP really need 10-12 bikes within a second for the first handful of laps? Most of the great races involve dices between 2-4 riders. This era hasn't offered any classics, and yet it seeks to keep the riders bunched up.
IIRC, the 500s were still 130kg when the formula was replaced by MotoGP. Modern MotoGP bikes are 157kg (5kg more than the combined Moto3 weight limit) to accommodate the cylinder head and the harness 250hp and the prodigious tire performance. Is this really a good idea?
Anyway, glad Pecco is relatively unscathed.
Can someone explain to me how the rider is involved with setting the tire pressures, I have never seen a rider walking around with a gauge in his hand before going on track !
The only thing I can come up with is Michelin is worried their crappy tire will fail even harder without it. The commentators even were talking about tire tech holding the bikes back, yeah having one manufacturer offer one tire to a slew of different bikes will do that. They need some competition...
Enea for sure saved Peccos life, Is there a more dangerous spot on the track than laying in the middle and twenty hungry riders coming up? Id rather fall off at 150 mph.
Enea for sure saved Peccos life, Is there a more dangerous spot on the track than laying in the middle and twenty hungry riders coming up? Id rather fall off at 150 mph.
I agree. It isn’t Nascar, and contrived close racing doesn’t match the real thing anyway. Everyone surely already knows aero killed F1 as well, but they still press on with it.
The safety aspect is the real issue though, and Dorna seem incapable of appreciating that bikes aren’t cars. That was as massive a highside as you will ever see, so the initial justification for the electronic rider aids failed, perhaps a consequence of the current direction with the bikes, which are also prone to letting go on the limit as Bagnaia said about another incident earlier this year.
Pretty good theory about the f first incident , Binder said he saw what happened with Bagnaia and was able to react to a degree, and didn’t hit him full on.
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There are a few clips doing the rounds of him coming out of a hospital, walking with crutches. He seems to think he has a chance to get back on the bike for Misano. Although that is probably not going to happen, I would assume his injuries are less severe than everyone thought at first.
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Brad going straight to medical to check on Pecco after his race ended shows the class he is. Anyone who says Binda isn't a likable guy is a ..... There is video of Brad from last weekend completely pissed at the MTB downhill world cup race hanging with other south africans there to support Greg Minnaar. He made a joke about the fact that he always takes second must have wore off on Greg.
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