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2023 Valencia GP - Season Finale

#22 said:
Which explains why he felt an outcast and is moving to Honda.
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Another sad ...-hat still drinking the Rossi-Aid. Amazes me when they pan across the stands and there are still thousands of Rossi fans who can't fully commit to root for someone who is actually competing. Like a kind of inverse living dead.
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TeamKoolGreen said:
I'm just not that impressed with Pecco. Hes lucky Bastanini really sucked and that there was no other manufacturers in the title fight.
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I agree, which is why the likes of Mdub and I think Marc is a strong candidate next yr. When Pecco has beaten Marc, Fabio, the beast etc when they are all on good factory bikes, I'll change my mind. He's won his 2 titles with a record number of crashes per season, that tells you how weak the field is (rider/bike) is.
TeamKoolGreen said:
Why wouldn't Bez be pissed at Marc? Marc was being his usual .... self in traffic. I don't dislike Marc but after my first full time watch of Moto GP, i finally understand his reputation.

In the Bez incident , it was Marcs fault.
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Respectfully. No. Marc was alongside for most of the stretch between T2 and T3

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It was Marcs corner. As noted on another thread, Ben Spies has said one issue with these aero bikes is that there is one line through a corner and Bez tried to ride him out.
You blamed Marc who was on the inside here, and Marc when he was on the outside of Martin. You can't have it both ways.

TeamKoolGreen said:
About the Martin incident, does he enjoy getting thrown out the front door like that ? He was entitled to the space but he had to know Martin was going for broke. But he defends anyway and has a crash. This could have easily cost him time next season. It was totally unessesary.
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Hes an 8 time champ, and he didnt get there by backing out.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
You would have to ask Bez why he doesn't like Marc. But its pretty obvious he is just doing what Rossi wants of him. How was the crash with Bez Marcs fault? The door was open and Bez tried to take up space that was already occupied. Thats not Marcs fault.

As for the incident with Martin, what did you want Marc to do? Not battle? First of all if you know Marc thats never going to happen. You can't say he should have map 8'ed and let Martin by. We don't want that. Thats not what this sport is about. Martin was impatient and was 100% at fault. He was destined to crash riding the way he was. No rider should ever give up the right to a line for another rider. Thats total ......... Marc was not at fault in either of these crashes.
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If it was any other rider , it probably doesn't result in that crash.
Sometimes when there's a madman behind you , you leave an inch instead of a half inch and live to fight later in the race.

Fernando Alonso does this all the time. He avoids damage to his car for his own personal gain.

Marc was better off with a good points finish instead of breaking is highside air time record just to crash with a guy who was probably going to crash anyway.
 
TeamKoolGreen said:
Bagnaia was slightly more consistent. If Martin happened to get the other factory ride instead of Beast , Martin would have ran away with it imo.

Martin over achieved on a satellite bike. Pecco did the bare minimum of what was required on a factory bike. Pecco probably isn't capable of doing what Martin did.

I'm just not that impressed with Pecco. Hes lucky Bastanini really sucked and that there was no other manufacturers in the title fight.
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Sorry, but Martin would not have run away with it. And he is not on a "satellite" bike, only in name. He can't handle the pressure. I do agree about Bastianini though. It could have been a very different story if he didn't get injured.
 
Saffa said:
Sorry, but Martin would not have run away with it. And he is not on a "satellite" bike, only in name. He can't handle the pressure. I do agree about Bastianini though. It could have been a very different story if he didn't get injured.
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I cant accept that he can’t handle the pressure. The pressure has been on him for the second half of the season and he has responded admirably. Yesterday he knew he’d blown the championship by running on when making a bad move on Pecco and so his head was completely up his arse. He will now KNOW he can win it and come back stronger next year.
 
Faz said:
I cant accept that he can’t handle the pressure. The pressure has been on him for the second half of the season and he has responded admirably. Yesterday he knew he’d blown the championship by running on when making a bad move on Pecco and so his head was completely up his arse. He will now KNOW he can win it and come back stronger next year.
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I think he's had his chance and he blew it.
 
TeamKoolGreen said:
If it was any other rider , it probably doesn't result in that crash.
Sometimes when there's a madman behind you , you leave an inch instead of a half inch and live to fight later in the race.

Fernando Alonso does this all the time. He avoids damage to his car for his own personal gain.

Marc was better off with a good points finish instead of breaking is highside air time record just to crash with a guy who was probably going to crash anyway.
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I don't understand your argument here. Both Martin and Bez were off the race line. It is their fault they tried to get back on line without making sure another rider was there.

When Marc decides to settle for good points instead of "break his highside air time record" he will retire. He said it himself he has no desire to be a midpack rider. That was no where near his highside record.

Quit blaming the rider who didn't do anything wrong because you don't like him. Marc has made plenty of mistakes but he made none on sunday.
 
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MichaelBolton said:
According to sources, he said some pretty bad stuff to Marc



"I wish you had never returned to riding and see when you leave here because you are the cancer of this grid..."

I find it weird that Rossi's own brother seems to be the only one not ...... up in the head in that group.
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Not really, family can often see through ........ that ‘friends‘ and hangers on can’t.
For Luca, Rossi is just his brother, for everyone else in that circle he is the GOAT, the guy that gave them a chance, the best guy ever etc.
 
MdubSTYLIE said:
One thing is for sure, he will Go Free.
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mylexicon said:
As far as GP’s go, Valencia was one of the better races this season, though the championship was decided quite early in the race. The level of attrition was alarming, but since some of the crashes were at the front, it added intrigue.

People are quick to jump on Miller and Binder, but they both experienced the same problem at the same corner, in Crafar’s estimation, with Binder making a good save while Jack tried to ride through the front lock up. I think those crashes were a KTM issue. The bike did not like the change of direction at that speed, and both riders eventually made mistakes.

People are salty with Marquez following the race, but I didn’t see fault in either clash he had on Sunday. As Spies pointed out in his recent interview, with modern MotoGP bikes, you get to choose a line and that’s it. The riders don’t have many opportunities to make adjustments, and Valencia is a technical track that links corners together. Marquez was on the inside when he collided with Bezzechi. I’m sure Marco wanted the line, but Marc was there, and he wasn’t making a late dive bomb, as I recall. The Martin incident was also understandable. Jorge tried to pass on the inside late, if Marc adjusted he probably would have lost a couple of places so he let off the lever, and tried to use his momentum to carry him past Martin. Didn’t work. Oh well. Would have been better for Marc not to get involved in the championship battle, but Jorge had already made a series of crazy lunges and his luck was going to expire eventually. I don’t see the point in blaming Marc for everything.

Congrats to Pecco. He’s like the Prost of MotoGP now. Soft and whingy, but he gets the job done without losing his cool. Will Martin play the roll of Senna? Or will Marc be doing that next year?
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MdubSTYLIE said:
He is doing everything he can to keep the ranchfather happy. The dumb .... even chose to stay at vr46 over a better ride. I am pretty sure he is wearing Rossi's earings from 2001. ....... ..........

At least we figured out who birdbird is. Its Bez.
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Oh you poor wee thing, yellow fever taking its toll, you should see a DOCTOR lol.
 
Wildcat said:
Oh you poor wee thing, yellow fever taking its toll, you should see a DOCTOR lol.
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I see what you did there. Very cleaver. Only you have it all wrong. Yellow fever are the ones who follow said DOCTOR like he isn't a snake oil salesmen. Blinded by the hi/vis yellow.
 
Keshav said:
Y'know - there’s a lot of detail that other members here catch during the race that I don’t discern. I have a decent 42” Flatscreen, but am wondering if it is time to upgrade for next year. Wondering what size etc folks are watching the races on.
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K
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🤣🤣 same. 42", thinking I need a 60" now 🤣🤣🤣
 
#22 said:
Respectfully. No. Marc was alongside for most of the stretch between T2 and T3

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It was Marcs corner. As noted on another thread, Ben Spies has said one issue with these aero bikes is that there is one line through a corner and Bez tried to ride him out.
You blamed Marc who was on the inside here, and Marc when he was on the outside of Martin. You can't have it both ways.


Hes an 8 time champ, and he didnt get there by backing out.
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Well I admittedly didn’t see this in detail and honestly can’t be arsed to go find it. The season is over after all.

However…..being “alongside for most” doesn’t mean being in front. From the picture shown here it’s difficult to say “it’s Marc’s corner.” I’m not buying it and for the record I really dislike Bez’s attitude.

As you say, MM didn’t get to be 8 time champ by backing out of it. He also crashed a lot and took other people out a lot, some seriously, by not backing out. His judgement is not and never has been what I would call stellar.

All to say, I am not looking forward to MM dominating next season on a Ducati after breaking his Honda contract, if that is what happens. I would look forward to a lot of competition, with younger riders gaining experience and strength and hopefully one or more will be able to challenge MM on that bike.

At the same time, if MM does win the championship, results attained over an entire season are generally deserved.

In closing, this forum has been a great place to enjoy racing and talk about it with knowledgeable people. I wish you all a pleasant winter and look forward to seeing you all back here in spring.
 
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