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mylexicon · Apr 29, 2023

Mick D said:
Why not 3 sprints. 1 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday. One leads off the racing followed by lower classes, then second follows.

Well, the sprints wouldn’t have a Grand Prix as a foil. The sprints are already settling down a bit (not much), but at some point the factories will begin to question the wisdom of risking their million dollar employees for a half points side show. Unless you’re on the front row for the sprint, stay out of trouble! Of course, Pecco is challenging the normal way of things. Sprints are keeping him alive in the standings.

For the sprints to pack enough punch to carry the entire show, Dorna would need to adopt additional circus antics. For instance, mandatory tire selection.

S/S, M/M, H/H, S/M, S/H, M/H

Toss a die, and run whatever tires fate decides. Not a suggestion, just a thought exercise.

Gaz · Apr 29, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
One good race and Morbideli thinks he can put his bike anywhere. Good thing his name isn't Marc or he'd have a penalty.

He has gotten a Long Lap penalty but of interest is the wording difference in the penalty and it has been appealed by Yamaha.
Let us see if the same outcry occurs regards the penalty given the incident impacted 3 others recers and knocked the title leader out of contention.

Gaz · Apr 29, 2023

Mick D said:
Why not 3 sprints. 1 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday. One leads off the racing followed by lower classes, then second follows.

This is, I fear where they are headed but where they will extendt he number of laps.

As I posted previously, to me the sprint is a market sampling exercise from where money and further decisions will be made for those that aren't of my ilk and prefer the longer race.

One of the big issues I see with the sprints is that we have lost riders from the Sunday's already this year and thus it is championship impacting.

Never mind for me, I like longer races where rider and machinery strategy forms a part although I also readily recognise that tyre strategy dies a few years back and what not as these things are forced to be so close

Keshav · Apr 29, 2023

Gaz said:
Never mind for me, I like longer races where rider and machinery strategy forms a part although I also readily recognise that tyre strategy dies a few years back and what not as these things are forced to be so close

Exactly. Taken by itself, the sprint was a good race. But too predictably, it's a clusterfuck influence on the traditional MotoGp event, which is what I paid to watch. Interestingly, seems possibly to illustrate some weakness in the Ducatis. Wondering if the KTMs will be as dominant tomorrow. GREAT to see Dani up at the pointy end. What a treat.

michaelm · Apr 29, 2023

mylexicon said:
Well, the sprints wouldn’t have a Grand Prix as a foil. The sprints are already settling down a bit (not much), but at some point the factories will begin to question the wisdom of risking their million dollar employees for a half points side show. Unless you’re on the front row for the sprint, stay out of trouble! Of course, Pecco is challenging the normal way of things. Sprints are keeping him alive in the standings.

For the sprints to pack enough punch to carry the entire show, Dorna would need to adopt additional circus antics. For instance, mandatory tire selection.

S/S, M/M, H/H, S/M, S/H, M/H

Toss a die, and run whatever tires fate decides. Not a suggestion, just a thought exercise.

I imagine they don’t much care about the views of mostly aging long term fans who are purists about the sport, and see themselves as growing or maintaining the sport by whatever means are necessary. They have I guess been running sprints for years in WSBK to which presumably they are of the view the field has adjusted including in regard to whole of season strategies to win a title. If they are after an American audience which F1 appears to have gained, although mainly it would seem by means of a TV series, the NASCARisation of the sport may even be their best strategy.

Their problem perhaps is that the racing purists very likely include the factories, and the Japanese factories in particular. Whether they can bring the factories with them is the question as you say. I don’t see what is in it for the Japanese factories any more in WSBK or moto GP.

If they make it a silhouette series I certainly won’t be watching, but perhaps they are temporising because they see a transition to E-bikes in the not very distant future, or are not thinking beyond the short term as is the case with many who run corporate entities.

Bern1 · Apr 29, 2023

I for one am another aging fan who wants to watch a good race Sunday. Against my better judgement, I went ahead and renewed my subscription to MotoGP.

I can’t be bothered to watch the sprint race. I am even reluctant to watch qualifying. The inane announcers turn me off the most. Then I’m watching a bunch of guys racing by wire that is programmed by the aero. WTF?

michaelm · Apr 29, 2023

Bern1 said:
I for one am another aging fan who wants to watch a good race Sunday. Against my better judgement, I went ahead and renewed my subscription to MotoGP.

I can’t be bothered to watch the sprint race. I am even reluctant to watch qualifying. The inane announcers turn me off the most. Then I’m watching a bunch of guys racing by wire that is programmed by the aero. WTF?

Yes, the main announcers are totally inane, and while I admired Simon Crafar as a rider and he is doubtless very knowledgeable, perhaps inanely myself I can't stand his voice.

Barbedwirebikerr · Apr 29, 2023

michaelm said:
perhaps they are temporising because they see a transition to E-bikes in the not very distant future

IF, the mid to long term goals are pointed toward E-power, which is hard to deny as much as I, and many here, despise the idea, the sprint format falls directly in line with this, presumably electric bikes aren't making a full race distance at any decent speeds for a very long time to come.

warthog1 · Apr 29, 2023

michaelm said:
Yes, the main announcers are totally inane, and while I admired Simon Crafar as a rider and he is doubtless very knowledgeable, perhaps inanely myself I can't stand his voice.

He is the one I appreciate.
He does have knowledge and insight the others don't seem to share.

Barbedwirebikerr · Apr 30, 2023

As far as entertainment goes. Watching Binder wrestle that KTM was very entertaining for me.

michaelm · Apr 30, 2023

Barbedwirebikerr said:
As far as entertainment goes. Watching Binder wrestle that KTM was very entertaining for me.

michaelm · Apr 30, 2023

Yes, I think Binder is very good, maybe as good or better than Oliveira which I hadn’t appreciated. Oliveira is the best rider Aprilia have imo though.

Binder looks to be just plain better than Jack Miller, although Miller is reputedly a good team mate and hired partly in the hope he might help set up and development with his factory Ducati experience. Due to unforeseen circumstances I only saw the last few laps but maybe Jack can’t even get his tires to last sprint distance.

michaelm · Apr 30, 2023

Fast guys who don’t know how to race.

Barbedwirebikerr · Apr 30, 2023

Long lap for Fabio. .........

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 30, 2023

Fabio gets a long lap for that!?!?!?! You have got to be kidding me. DORNA has turned into Oprah. You get a penalty, you get a penalty, EVERYONE GETS A PENALTY!!!!!!!!!! Except Luca you are fine.

michaelm · Apr 30, 2023

Perhaps my prejudice but 1 would blame Bezzechi if anyone, but probably no one’s fault, although many seem hyper on the opening lap.

But they have made a rod for their own back by seemingly responding to fan sentiment in regard to MM, to be consistent they probably feel the need to punish everyone for anything.

Keshav · Apr 30, 2023

michaelm said:
Yes, I think Binder is very good, maybe as good or better than Oliveira which I hadn’t appreciated. Oliveira is the best rider Aprilia have imo though.

Binder looks to be just plain better than Jack Miller, although Miller is reputedly a good team mate and hired partly in the hope he might help set up and development with his factory Ducati experience. Due to unforeseen circumstances I only saw the last few laps but maybe Jack can’t even get his tires to last sprint distance.

Binder and Miller seem to be really well-matched as teammates. Very similar personalities. No sense of any friction between the two. Binder IMHO, is the superior rider, as Miller's reserve of mental fortitude, seems for the most part to run dry somewhere around the 3/4 mark in the race.

michaelm · Apr 30, 2023

Keshav said:
Binder and Miller seem to be really well-matched as teammates. Very similar personalities. No sense of any friction between the two. Binder IMHO, is the superior rider, as Miller's reserve of mental fortitude, seems for the most part to run dry somewhere around the 3/4 mark in the race.

Keshav · Apr 30, 2023

MdubSTYLIE said:
Fabio gets a long lap for that!?!?!?! You have got to be kidding me. DORNA has turned into Oprah. You get a penalty, you get a penalty, EVERYONE GETS A PENALTY!!!!!!!!!! Except Luca you are fine.

The weird and obtrusive rulings makes it feel like the stewards are wanting a more starring role in the race.

michaelm · Apr 30, 2023

Binder is fabulous to watch making shapes on that KTM as has been said.

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