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2021 Gran Premio Red Bull de España - Jerez

Miller is obviously not as good as MM, and very likely not as good as FQ, but has had much ill fortune himself including last year, and has had arm pump himself without anyone cutting him much in the way of slack.

He rode a good race and was the best rider on the day. That is my point. You can gainsay many race wins and numerous titles for that matter on the basis of rider ailments if you want to do so, but these are not the concern of any race winner, it is up to the opponents to line up on the grid in a state of sufficient health. As I said MM sustained his injury over riding in pursuit of FQ which Jack didn’t do, and there is no way of knowing whether FQ’s tires or skill/concentration would have held up for the remaining laps with only a 1 second lead regardless of any arm pump issue anyway.

I remember at the time most though it was possible Fabio had overcooked his tires such was the pace he was setting. I believe he likely would have been able to keep the lead and win if not for the arm pump but I very well could be wrong
 
Arm pump is odd isn’t it? It plagued some riders while others don’t seem to have a problem with it. I recall Pedrosa having the fascia of his forearm stripped to control his arm pump. Is Fabio headed for that solution as well? All the best to FQ. His distress was palpable; so was Miller’s joy and relief. An emotional race weekend.
 
Arm pump is odd isn’t it? It plagued some riders while others don’t seem to have a problem with it. I recall Pedrosa having the fascia of his forearm stripped to control his arm pump. Is Fabio headed for that solution as well? All the best to FQ. His distress was palpable; so was Miller’s joy and relief. An emotional race weekend.

Yes, certainly is, and to particularly plague motorbike racers I guess unsurprisingly. I gather the state of the art is keyhole fasciotomy now, but FQ may need a more old fashioned and extensive procedure as I believe Pedrosa had as you say.

I am also led to believe arm pump which was not well recognised at the time was what led to Fast Freddie Spencer’s decline. He was considered at the time to have been frazzled after his Herculean feat of winning the 250 and 500 titles in the same year, which no-one can do now of course, but I imagine 2 full races on a Sunday wouldn’t have been much good for arm pump either.
 
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It surely would of feel better if you achieve a win without having any rider(s) in front of you crashing or having a mechanical... Or a physical condition in that case. That's my point
I have to say I think Miller appears to be the workhorse of factory Ducati vs Pecco the thoroughbred.

Having said that, what win is truly deserved when half the field do not have the privilege of truly factory machinery?

Take the win Jack, it’s deserved as much as any other.
 
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I give credit to Jack for keeping the pressure on Fabio for as long as he did, and then converting when the opportunity presented itself. I've been hard on him, and will still remain to do so unless I see him consistently putting together these kinds of results. But this is a start for him, so what he chooses to do with this opportunity is entirely up to him at this point. Hope he makes the most of it at the upcoming circuits.
 
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I give credit to Jack for keeping the pressure on Fabio for as long as he did, and then converting when the opportunity presented itself. I've been hard on him, and will still remain to do so unless I see him consistently putting together these kinds of results. But this is a start for him, so what he chooses to do with this opportunity is entirely up to him at this point. Hope he makes the most of it at the upcoming circuits.

I have given up on him several times, including following the first 3 races this year after thinking he might have been getting his act together at the end of last year in terms of lasting to the end of races, having had several dnfs not of his own causation earlier in the season.

He could have done no more in this race though as has been said and deserves full credit for the individual race win with no caveats imo. Sure both Petrucci and Crazy Joe won individual races on a Ducati without this presaging future world titles.
 
People who constantly disparage a rider just because they are not consistently on the podium: I don’t want to be “that guy”. There’s not one guy on the grid who couldn’t out-ride any AMA Superbike rider with one hand tied behind their back. They all assume equal risk. They’ve all put in the “10,000 Hrs”, put in their dues and sacrificed any possibility of a “normal life” that kids in their teens enjoy. All are really dedicated. That said, there is something about Miller, other than his general inconsistency, that kind of makes me see him as a bit of rube. That silly old-man mustache doesn’t help. I always rooted for Nicky, but still made fun of his silly hip hop haircuts and weird bug-eyed sunglass fashions (which were everywhere in the paddock, tho are toned down nowadays. So I may at times take a good-natured dig a Miller because he comes off as a rustic, but truly, at heart, I know he and Nicky are, of a kind, good old boys, just from different parts of the world.
 
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People who constantly disparage a rider just because they are not consistently on the podium: I don’t want to be “that guy”. There’s not one guy on the grid who couldn’t out-ride any AMA Superbike rider with one hand tied behind their back. They all assume equal risk. They’ve all put in the “10,000 Hrs”, put in their dues and sacrificed any possibility of a “normal life” that kids in their teens enjoy. All are really dedicated. That said, there is something about Miller, other than his general inconsistency, that kind of makes me see him as a bit of rube. That silly old-man mustache doesn’t help. I always rooted for Nicky, but still made fun of his silly hip hop haircuts and weird bug-eyed sunglass fashions (which were everywhere in the paddock, tho are toned down nowadays. So I may at times take a good-natured dig a Miller because he comes off as a rustic, but truly, at heart, I know he and Nicky are, of a kind, good old boys, just from different parts of the world.
Sure, the moustache is horrible.

I would, being somewhat of a shallow nationalist as a sports fan, like to see Jack prosper after this win which he may or may not do, but don’t mind how people have rated him, I have mostly thought he doesn’t quite have it myself. I thought him being blamed for Mir making riding errors a couple of races back was a little rich though, and do think if this is his only day in the sun a la Simon Crafar he deserves to enjoy it, he was the best rider in this race.
 
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Is anyone else getting slightly put off by Mir with his constant whinging? It seems every week he is having another cry about something else. I wonder if the title did indeed go to his head. I don't remember much complaining from him last year.