2021 Gran Premio Octo di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini

Bern1 said:

Misfit and Mdub I get your point. But….there has to be progress even if you’re a special rider like MM.

Since JL is so different from MM, how would his development help MM?

Part of the tool bag of a modern rider or driver is the ability to communicate with the team’s engineers about different problems and solutions and the ability to discern which of those advance performance. Then of course everybody has to actually want to advance.

The days of just getting on and riding it are over. (That’s what Hailwood said he did and I would argue he was just as special as MM.)

Changing eras require changing skills.

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evo9 said:

I understand what you are saying. But remember what he did with the RCV Dani & Casey developed. I think he would do some serious damage to the field on a bike his brother & Taka can ride.

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Bern1 said:

To follow up on that , I’ll go back to the basics of motor racing as a weird marriage of team sports coupled with individual performance.

If you are not interested in the success of the team or your teammate and solely focus on your own, it will ultimately affect your own performance in the long run.

Perhaps we are seeing this happen?

As a reminder of the effects of this, look at what happened to Rossi’s performance after he insisted on a wall down the center of the Yamaha garage to keep himself isolated from Lorenzo.

We all know how that turned out for Rossi.

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MdubSTYLIE said:

I'm not sure Marc has any issue with the success of a teammate rather Honda has put all its eggs in one basket. I think he enjoyed having his brother as a teammate and I have not heard anything from Pol who loves to create drama if given the opportunity. I'd be interested in hearing JLo's opinion on Marc as a teammate. It certainly was a better atmosphere than with old man Rossi. Marc has had a lot of teammates and I haven't once heard any of them say anything negative. He just doesn't seem to be a good developer. He knows how to turn the wick and ride but doesn't seem to be able to explain the problem when there is one. Rather he tries to find a way to ride what he has been given and make it win or get the msot out of it. I think it is on honda not Marc to give Marc the tool needed to preform better. In this case to have a teammate the can help with the development side of the bike.

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Bern1 said:

Well, for that to happen, he would have to be instrumental in a development change at Honda. I see no sign of it.

I’ve heard it suggested in this forum that MM has no interest in making the bike easier for his teammates/rivals to ride. I have no idea whether this is true or not.

However, this attitude and the fact that there does not seem to be development at Honda does dovetail in with the perception by Misfit that MM is not interested in development and perhaps (following are my thoughts) not talented in that direction.

Of such things are careers made, interrupted and even concluded.

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Keshav said:

The sheer number of things Track-day Bertie gets wrong is astonishing. It's got to be some kind of record. Old timers know, I could with the click of a mouse, post a link to pages and pages of photos from a Motogp race with me and a whole gang of forum members along with a huge contingent of non-member race fans, but I just can't be arsed to give him the satisfaction of yet another delusional belief that he's in any way got my goat. Also - photos I took three years ago at Assen with my buddy from the Channel Islands, a Rossi fan no less. Because, y'know, I get along just fine with the sane ones.

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Bern1 said:

Tires have been the limiting factor in bike racing for a while now as the horsepower continues to overcook the tire.

I have never been a fan of control tires in any class, let alone the premier prototype class.

If every team were allowed to run the tires they wanted, for sure the tires brought to a race would all be the best that manufacturer can produce.

Then we could finally let go of the bitching and moaning about tires and how .... xyz tire is.

The way it is now, whichever tire supplier has the contract has a “safe space.”

Which is a crock of .... situation for the prototype class.

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Bern1 said:

Well, for that to happen, he would have to be instrumental in a development change at Honda. I see no sign of it.



I’ve heard it suggested in this forum that MM has no interest in making the bike easier for his teammates/rivals to ride. I have no idea whether this is true or not.



However, this attitude and the fact that there does not seem to be development at Honda does dovetail in with the perception by Misfit that MM is not interested in development and perhaps (following are my thoughts) not talented in that direction.



Of such things are careers made, interrupted and even concluded.

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Bern1 said:

To follow up on that , I’ll go back to the basics of motor racing as a weird marriage of team sports coupled with individual performance.

If you are not interested in the success of the team or your teammate and solely focus on your own, it will ultimately affect your own performance in the long run.

Perhaps we are seeing this happen?

As a reminder of the effects of this, look at what happened to Rossi’s performance after he insisted on a wall down the center of the Yamaha garage to keep himself isolated from Lorenzo.

We all know how that turned out for Rossi.

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Bern1 said:

Tires have been the limiting factor in bike racing for a while now as the horsepower continues to overcook the tire.

I have never been a fan of control tires in any class, let alone the premier prototype class.

If every team were allowed to run the tires they wanted, for sure the tires brought to a race would all be the best that manufacturer can produce.

Then we could finally let go of the bitching and moaning about tires and how .... xyz tire is.

The way it is now, whichever tire supplier has the contract has a “safe space.”

Which is a crock of .... situation for the prototype class.

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Keshav said:

In theory, this is a good idea. In practice, the larger, more well-funded teams in these situations, always have outsized influence that works against smaller teams and less well financed companies. There aren't enough tire manufacturers to supply each bike company tires suited to their chassis and suspension. In tire wars the little guys always take it in the ....

I don't think there is a perfect solution. It's more a question of the lesser of two evils.

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michaelm said:

I know you have a cordial relationship in the real world with Mick D for instance and have spent time with him and his family in Asia (? Thailand iirc).

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320Dave said:

The little guys are not as little as they used to be anymore imo, doubt we would see any team running Dunlops because the deal was cheaper than Bridgestones.

I could still be wrong though.

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Albert Tatlock said:

I was reading through old threads, King Keshav was once trying to run you off the forum. You called him out for his BS, and now you are his neutered lackey.
What gives?
Do you have no backbone, or conscience mate?

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