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Kesh unfortunately there are many people who self-identify as Mexican regardless of what you wrote. Barry's post was in horrifically poor taste and he had to know Jum would take offense to it.

Just because you don't whine about people saying things about Polish people doesn't make it any less of a big deal that he posted that.

Respectfully - you say he "identifies" as Mexican but what are the real world implications of that?

My heritage is Polish-German Jew + Italian. My father came to this country to escape the death camps and my mother was an Italian immigrant who bore the brunt of horrendous anti-Italian discrimination as a young woman. I myself don't identify myself by way of any ethnic pigeon hole. My cultural heritage as an American is primarily defined by my politics and the politics of my family. My Mom was a pacifist back when that was a dirty word. When I was eight I participated alongside her at a two day sit-in to protest police turning black people away at Jones Beach. In '63 I sat on her shoulders and watched Dr. King give his "I have a dream" speech on The Mall in DC. Throughout the '60s I volunteered at the 5th Avenue Peace Parade Committee and participated in dozens of anti-Vietnam war rallies getting tear-gassed repeatedly. In the '70s I worked for 10 years as a volunteer in Chinatown teaching music and photography workshops to Chinese gang kids at Basement Workshop an organization dedicated to addressing racial injustice and racial stereotypes in the media and getting gang kids out of the streets and into schools. At that time I often had to go down to different cities to bail my mom out when she was arrested at civil rights demonstrations. These are my origins as a thinking human being with progressive core values; so I say to you that while there are all kind of asinine insults routinely hurled around this forum, this is the only one that is truly offensive to me, because it is so deviously cynical in that Jumkie knows full well it's ........, and that he does not do so in good conscience, and yet does it so lightly. To blithely accuse someone of racism knowing full well what a lie it is, like some childish schoolyard taunt, is to demean all people who have ever been victims of intolerance and bigotry. I take this as a grave insult from a craven ....... who should know better.
 
White people telling brown people what racism is.
Rationalizing a death wish on a rider
What a sickening turn this forum has taken.
 
White people telling brown people what racism is.
Rationalizing a death wish on a rider
What a sickening turn this forum has taken.

Being a victim of bigotry is not the exclusive domain of people of color. If you don't believe me, ask the million and half Armenians killed by the Turks in the genocide, or the 30,000 Serbian Muslims slaughtered by the Bosnians or the six million Jews killed by the Germans in a little thing called World War 2, perhaps you've heard of it?
 
What does any of this .... have to do with racing . You have your own little bitch thread, go there and work out your life issues and leave the race threads to racing.
 
... I say to you that while there are all kind of asinine insults routinely hurled around this forum, this is the only one that is truly offensive to me, because it is so deviously cynical in that Jumkie knows full well it's ........, and that he does not do so in good conscience, and yet does it so lightly. To blithely accuse someone of racism knowing full well what a lie it is, like some childish schoolyard taunt, is to demean all people who have ever been victims of intolerance and bigotry. I take this as a grave insult from a craven ....... who should know better.


You present some resume of your past as if this serves credibility to overcome the FACT you instigated this flame war from the very beginning! You lack of self control is the reason we are interacting on this topic! Despite the good upbringing your parents may have offered you, it did not prevent you from attacking people who treated you with kindness and friendship, fact. That is, you deviated from your upbringing, and you have continued this trajectory!


I include myself as a target of you behavior not just roger and his family, you have attacked me, and never did I give you any reason except to say to you what you did to Roger and his family is ...... and you should be ashamed. You couldn’t and wouldn’t stand for that, and I became the object of your attacks. This is why I think something is physically chemically damaged in you brain, and more and more I'm convinced you have no control over your faculties of reason, it IS why I say, I pity you. It is only this conclusion that I think I see light in ceasing to interact with you, as you are not of sound mind.

Regardless of your upbringing, your behavior here has becoming increasingly disconnected and flagrantly awful! You cannot escape this fact because its here for anyone that cares to examine it. Granted, most don’t care; I have accepted it, that did not stop me from pointing it out, much to your annoyance. Its as if you’ve been chasing a dragon. It seems to start off in your mind as simply taking the piss with Synn, to ugly attacks on new members like Albert Tatlock, who pleaded with you to reflect on your behavior, to paranoid theories of who might be Synn, then using that opportunity to say the most awful things about your bogyman. You are unaware of yourself, despite Arrabi and Mike trying to ground your unhinged ideations, that didn’t stop you and your harsh language has become 'increasingly' irate! The trajectory of your behavior was ramping up. Are we really now supposed to believe that you would stop and draw the line at racism? You have been behaving crazy! Crazy people don’t have boundaries. We are supposed to believe you wouldn't invoke racist provocation because of your upbringing? Your upbringing didn't seem to rear you to attack people either, yet you have!

Have you stopped and considered what you say here has affected your credibility? You opened up a ‘non-trolling’ pledge thread Kesh, and you proceeded on crapping all over it like an insane person, and then trying to save face by saying you were actually trolling! Credibility 101! Are we now supposed to believe your insanity is limited and would not cross a racist line? Are you really that un-self aware? Now we are supposed to believe that you were not really being racist when you used a racial slur known to a ‘dark’ Mexicans, “Mexican Monkey”, and backed up your words with an ‘illustration’ a picture of a monkey! Was that just a coincidence? You could have chosen any picture to mock me, as you were Goggling around for some way to mock me, YOU decided on a picture of a dark monkey. Now we are supposed to believe this is your line in the sand that you wouldn’t have crossed? You insult our intelligence, well actually not everyone’s.

You may have fooled some people here Kesh, so I can see why you’ve tried to walk it back with this post above and expressed fake indignation. Maybe you can enlist more support. Hey, if you got some of your friends fooled, perhaps just a coincidence with the picture you posted, hey just some cute monkey, what’s the problem? Or as you tried to misdirect, its just some silly expression, like “French fries”, then maybe with another post or two you can fool the rest of us? Honestly Kesh, I wouldn't have believed the trajectory of your increasing incoherence if it for witnessing your unglued behavior getting worse and worse. You’ve gone insane Kesh! It is irrelevant that a few here have not perceived it, predictably the racist does it in a way that attempts to evade detection. This may sound inflammatory to some reading here, but why do you think some of these groups have changed their names? (I won’t even type names of groups here because I know if I did I’d lose some readers, dismissing it as some of your friends have, or reasoning, because they didn’t detect it, or haven’t ever heard of it, then it must not be real.) Think about the names of groups and how they have changed it to sound legitimate, almost as if they are some serious political entity.

I have become the target of your hate Kesh. And you have stopped at nothing to increase the provocation. Primarily because I have not let your lies and attacks stand. It is a fascinating social dynamic that along the way you have enlisted supporters, some of which only align themselves because they can’t distinguish me from other members they've quarreled with, again one of your tactics, remember your “Gang of 4”, that became 5,6…? Lumps us all together, you see, all bad. Its what you do.

You’ve lost all credibility Kesh. I'm not racist! Say it louder. You can’t go acting insane, flame warring, opening threads to call for self-control, and promptly demonstrating you have no self-control by expressing ‘increasingly’ cruel, discordant, and callous things and expect you to draw some line that you will not cross. The ‘trajectory’ of your behavior has led you to this point!
 
White people telling brown people what racism is.
Rationalizing a death wish on a rider
What a sickening turn this forum has taken.
For the record, I've seen plenty of racism from brown, black, yellow, and whatever shade of people. It's been my experience that white people have shown me great respect and acceptance, while (and again just my personal experience) people of my culture and ancestry with a slightly more fair complexion to my own have expressed superiority towards me. Crazy, I know. Brown on slightly beige racism. Watch a Mexican telenovela, you'll get a sense of who are the "better" ones. Sadly, I also witness lots of racism between Black and Brown people living in SoCal.


Sorry people, I know way off topic, and I concede, clogging up of the race thread. But I'll say again, we deserve the forum we get.

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I haven’t watched any FPs. I'll get on topic when I get to it.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
For the record, I've seen plenty of racism from brown, black, yellow, and whatever shade of people. It's been my experience that white people have shown me great respect and acceptance, while (and again just my personal experience) people of my culture and ancestry with a slightly more fair complexion to my own have expressed superiority towards me. Crazy, I know. Brown on slightly beige racism. Watch a Mexican telenovela, you'll get a sense of who are the "better" ones. Sadly, I also witness lots of racism between Black and Brown people living in SoCal.


Sorry people, I know way off topic, and I concede, clogging up of the race thread. But I'll say again, we deserve the forum we get.

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I haven’t watched any FPs. I'll get on topic when I get to it.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

Thanks for your honesty.
 
Thanks for your honesty.
Honestly Kesh, if you had just honored your own no-troll pledge we wouldn't have got to this point.









Saved many ruined threads, and saved me a lot of typing.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.
 
Yeah, well, it is EASY to blame the other guy. I remember a little punk named Adolf blaming VERY WHITE people, enslaving them, and murdering them by the millions, but let's have Johnny dumb butt and you tell us all about oppressed 'brown' people, what ever the .... that means.

Rossi is an oppressed brown person. So is Marquez. So is Keshav, as far as I know. So let's take it all to some OTHER DAMN forum, and let us talk about racing, damn it!!!!!!!!

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And by the way, KESHAV, I don't know why you are worried about Dovizioso. He had a slow start last year, and struggled in many free practice sections. He is still slaughtering Jorge. And as long as us white, like Bradly Smith, people don't stomp him down, he will do just fine. :p
 
For the record, I've seen plenty of racism from brown, black, yellow, and whatever shade of people. It's been my experience that white people have shown me great respect and acceptance, while (and again just my personal experience) people of my culture and ancestry with a slightly more fair complexion to my own have expressed superiority towards me. Crazy, I know. Brown on slightly beige racism. Watch a Mexican telenovela, you'll get a sense of who are the "better" ones. Sadly, I also witness lots of racism between Black and Brown people living in SoCal.


Sorry people, I know way off topic, and I concede, clogging up of the race thread. But I'll say again, we deserve the forum we get.

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I haven’t watched any FPs. I'll get on topic when I get to it.

If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.

One thing about racism along with everything else, including what you detail in this post, that is ludicrously is that it is invalid scientifically, the genetic differences between the so-called races of mankind are tiny, and there is said to be more genetic diversity in a single village in the Rift Valley in Africa than in the rest of mankind outside of sub-Saharan Africa.
 
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One thing about racism along with everything else, including what you detail in this post, that is ludicrously stupid about it is that it is invalid scientifically, the genetic differences between the so-called races of mankind are tiny, and there is said to be more genetic diversity in a single village in the Rift Valley in Africa than in the rest of mankind outside of sub-Saharan Africa.

We share 50% of our dna with the banana but that doesn't mean we should allow them to post on the forum.
 
And by the way, KESHAV, I don't know why you are worried about Dovizioso. He had a slow start last year, and struggled in many free practice sections. He is still slaughtering Jorge. And as long as us white, like Bradly Smith, people don't stomp him down, he will do just fine. :p

Call me spoiled, but I want the Dovi of the last 6 rounds of '17. And remember, Marquez was having a much harder time with his bike in the early rounds. This year he's kicking ass right out of the gate. Re: Lorenzo, well, not a high bar mate. In any event I'm good with the best man winning.
 
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