WSBK Rd3 - Valencia

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 11 2010, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati's suck.Torpedo man down as is Checa n Byrne .Haga is past it sorry but he's going to be another Mamola unlucky

why all the hate? ima hold u to it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 11 2010, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>surprised no one picked Haslam for the win only me,it does look like he's going to be there or there abouts for the title after these first few races

Haga all ready down nearly 60 points on Haslam


and to this too. that 60 will continue to decrease until its in the minus

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 11 2010, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm watching it on Arabic TV cant understand the lang but they just said in English.

Critical....geez

not seen a reply Eurosport dont do them when its a bad crash as such

looked like he hit the pit wall and then ricoched down the pit wall..FFS

arabic? what arabic channel puts on wsbk? can u remember the logo? was it jazeerah sports by any chance?


when hage wins. i win. feels damn good to see him back on track.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 10 2010, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All makes represented at the top except Kawasaki. BTW, I haven't kept up (extreme busy) but where is Vermi?
Look at the top six in race one

1. Leon HASLAM (Suzuki GSX-R1000), 23 laps, 36:47.723
2. Max BIAGGI (Aprilia RSV4 Factory), -1.757 seconds
3. James TOSELAND (Yamaha YZF-R1), -3.621
4. Troy CORSER (BMW S1000 RR), -4.209
5. Noriyuki HAGA (Ducati 1098F10), -4.378
6. Jonathan REA (Honda CBR1000RR), -9.834

The Flaminni brothers have to pretty pumped when they see that

Andrews finished in 18th place in the opening race but early on in race two, he was hit by Honda rider Vito Iannuzzo on the high-speed home straight causing the Kawasaki and rider to clatter into the pit wall meaning the race had to be stopped.

Andrews was attended by medics at the scene before being taken to the circuit medical centre and was fortunate to be released with nothing more than a couple of broken bones in his foot and severe bruising.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Apr 12 2010, 03:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>arabic? what arabic channel puts on wsbk? can u remember the logo? was it jazeerah sports by any chance?

found it on this schedule

http://www.jsc-sports-guide.com/tv/sun/1

Watched it on Al Jazerrah Sport 1

How was this weekend for me?

Moto2
MotoGP
SBK
The Masters
NHL Final Regular Season - Philly vs. Rangers for final playoff spot and Buf vs. NJ for 2nd seed in East
UFC

....... hell also squeezed in an all night party on Friday, played in a pool comp and went to a concert Saturday night and a dinner party Sunday... I'm burned out yet supposed to goto a b-day party tonight... where's the amphetamines?

Race 1 was the best race of the year so far! Does anyone think the lead Kawasaki is cursed?!

wsbk does not dissapoint..... great racing!

How in the world can we be on a motorcycle racing forum hand have barely 3 pages on WSBK? Geez.

Races were awesome! Haslam is the real deal and may just bag a title this year, I sure hope so.

Andrews, OMG!

After race 1 I thought, Haga is done. Then he kicked me in the mouth race 2. Hahaha

RL, please, somebody, take him out of his misery?

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What was attendance? The stands looked empty.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 12 2010, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How in the world can we be on a motorcycle racing forum hand have barely 3 pages on WSBK? Geez.

Races were awesome! Haslam is the real deal and may just bag a title this year, I sure hope so.

Andrews, OMG!

After race 1 I thought, Haga is done. Then he kicked me in the mouth race 2. Hahaha

RL, please, somebody, take him out of his misery?
I was thinking the same thing,then realized that this is first and foremost a GP board . If they run on the same day, WSBK is the red headed stepchild.

Valencia is also one of the most dull circuits on any calendar. Even in WSBK passes are hard to come by. Both races were very good, but I dislike Valencia so much, I can't really bring myself to watch the entire race.

I only watched at all b/c I wanted to watch the BMW out drag everyone in Superstock 1000, but then travel the same speed as all of the other bikes in WSBK.

I really really wish the Flaminis would find a way to race at Jerez.

Yeah Valencia sucks. Still WSBK was able to put on a pretty decent show. Haga needs to Qualify better to have a shot at this title.

RL is doing better every week. Hopefully the Kawasaki doesn't kill him first.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 13 2010, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valencia is also one of the most dull circuits on any calendar. Even in WSBK passes are hard to come by. Both races were very good, but I dislike Valencia so much, I can't really bring myself to watch the entire race.

I only watched at all b/c I wanted to watch the BMW out drag everyone in Superstock 1000, but then travel the same speed as all of the other bikes in WSBK.

I really really wish the Flaminis would find a way to race at Jerez.
Yet a Ducati had the fastest trap speed in the race. Here is a new conspiracy to chase. The Flaminni's have secretly allowed Ducati a higher rev limit in Superstock. Its the only answer, rev's create hp,hp translates to top speed.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 13 2010, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yet a Ducati had the fastest trap speed in the race. Here is a new conspiracy to chase. The Flaminni's have secretly allowed Ducati a higher rev limit in Superstock. Its the only answer, rev's create hp,hp translates to top speed.

The Ducati and the BMW are the most powerful stock bikes on the grid so I'm not sure what conspiracy I'm supposed to see. The two most powerful bikes set the highest trap speeds, and the trap speeds are clustered by horsepower rating (brand). Same as in GP.

In WSBK the most powerful bikes on the grid (in theory) go approximately same speed as the least powerful bikes on the grid. I think I remember seeing Haslam draft past Corser in Race 1. I'm supposed to believe that the BMW is running at max potential.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 13 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Ducati and the BMW are the most powerful stock bikes on the grid so I'm not sure what conspiracy I'm supposed to see. The two most powerful bikes set the highest trap speeds, and the trap speeds are clustered by horsepower rating (brand). Same as in GP.

In WSBK the most powerful bikes on the grid (in theory) go approximately same speed as the least powerful bikes on the grid. I think I remember seeing Haslam draft past Corser in Race 1. I'm supposed to believe that the BMW is running at max potential.

And exactly which Ducati would that be, the 17000 version, the 26000, dollar version, or the 40000 dollar version.Here is a dyno chart from a 2010 1198S, the stock equivalent of a jap 1000.

9366:146_1002...c8r_dyno.jpg]\\
Correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure every one of the Jap 1000's buries those numbers. Hell, a ....... KTM buried it


No, the BMW is not running at Max potential, its running at max potential under the written rules, just like every other bike is not running at max potential.

Here are the other bikes.

The 1198S is a snake in the grass. It's basically the exact same engine dimensions as the 1098R but they don't crank the thing up b/c they don't want to lure people away from the R model (which is also a snake in the grass).

In any event, understated power or not, the Ducati doesn't produce any more peak power than the average 1000cc 4-cylinder bike. However it has a capacity advantage so it produces more power than a 1000cc engine at every point in the usable rev range same with the BMW b/c it has more peak power and more revs to play with. They use air restrictors to reduce the throttle response and midrange power in WSBK. Superstock 1000 doesn't have air restrictors.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 13 2010, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Here are the other bikes.

The 1198S is a snake in the grass. It's basically the exact same engine dimensions as the 1098R but they don't crank the thing up b/c they don't want to lure people away from the R model (which is also a snake in the grass).

In any event, understated power or not, the Ducati doesn't produce any more peak power than the average 1000cc 4-cylinder bike. However it has a capacity advantage so it produces more power than a 1000cc engine at every point in the usable rev range same with the BMW b/c it has more peak power and more revs to play with. They use air restrictors to reduce the throttle response and midrange power in WSBK. Superstock 1000 doesn't have air restrictors.
And why would it be a snake in the grass. Stock to stock , the Jap 1000's blows away the 1198 in HP, top speed, 1/4 mile,lap times etc. Go to the R Model for double the money and you get similar performance numbers. You can always spend 3 times the money for a R Corse, or drop 4 grand on a 13 k jap bike and still beat the .... out of it. Snake in the grass, more like a hand in your back pocket.

As far as the BMW, are you going to force me to show the graph again that shows you have no idea what your talking about when you say it has more usable power at every point of the rev range than the jap 1000's. That is simply an uninformed statement, or a deliberate lie. Look at the numbers below and tell me it has more usable power in every rev range. Im sure a racer could find a way to use that 12-13 hp advantage between7-9000 k, and even the paltry 5 hp at 10k


Values (hp):

ZX10R / BMWS1KRR

3000rpm: 32/25
4000rpm: 48/37
5000rpm: 66/54
6000rpm: 85/71
7000rpm: 103/90
8000rpm: 123/111
9000rpm: 142/130
10000rpm: 156/151
11000rpm: 169/170
12000rpm: 175/181

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