Why the ridicule of riders who are physically small?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 13 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You say nowhere near in contention, yet Dani was mathematically in with a shot and could well have won that race. Playing team orders would have been weak and disappointing from both him and Honda. The mistake itself was pretty terrible, but everyone makes them occasionally. The riding error was no greater than Rossi on Marco in Japan 05 for example
Maco wasn't leading the World Championship at the time, and although Rossi completely misjudged his attempted pass...he ran straight over to Marco to see if he was o.k. and to immediately apologise. Dani contemptuously waved a hand in dismissal, turned his back on Nicky and trudged off through the gravel trap.

I guess Junky will be all over me within seconds, but last year I was watching Pedrosa quite closely at the chicane at Assen. Sitting at the Geert Timmer stand you get a very close look. He was clearly troubling with that all weekend. Come race and it was a lot better but non the less, you could still see him struggle. That kind of sharp chicanes and very fast S-es is where he have the most trouble withe the bike. He simply can't make an as fast and controlled transition as most of the others can, no doubt because of his size.

I don't know if it is his size or his required set-up (because of his size) but his breaking has always been weak.

I'm still undecided if this should count as much as a disadvantages as his advantages in other areas but at least it's not as clear cut as adding 20kg to his bike. That would put him into a real disadvantage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 14 2009, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Teomoloca is a girl.

stop smoking weed, i can assure you he's not

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 14 2009, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And do you never keep track of the outcomes of races? That is what it comes down to. Has his size helped him become a WC or dominant? No. He's human, he crashes, etc. He's been reeled in from his rocket starts a number of times by Rossi and other contenders.


No I dont watch the races, I get all the info I need from this site. A number of times Pedrosa has blasted off into the distance so like everything else it cuts both ways

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 14 2009, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stop smoking weed, i can assure you he's not


Jane lets not blame the weed for SS56's stupidity

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 14 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jane lets not blame the weed for SS56's stupidity

OMG!!! i'm so sorry weed...

are there any guys who make fun of small guys???

i didnt read anything like that in here, so here it goes:

pedrosa would win every limbo-battle!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 13 2009, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm still undecided if this should count as much as a disadvantages as his advantages in other areas but at least it's not as clear cut as adding 20kg to his bike. That would put him into a real disadvantage.
i have decided & i think it's as much of an advantage as a disadvantage. great for starts, acceleration in a strait line but a problem in braking & fairing bangin dog fights.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 14 2009, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>stop smoking weed, i can assure you he's not

Well you can go ask HER yourself. I remember she said that she was a chick from Brazil or Columbia, one of those kidnapping countries..... j/k Brazilian and Columbian Powersliders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 13 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani contemptuously waved a hand in dismissal, turned his back on Nicky and trudged off through the gravel trap.
Tom agrees with Puig--it was Hayden's fault. Nicky should have got up and apologized to Peders I guess, eh.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 14 2009, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i have decided & i think it's as much of an advantage as a disadvantage. great for starts, acceleration in a strait line but a problem in braking & fairing bangin dog fights.
I'm not so sure the braking & fairing bangin is due to his overall size, but rather the size of his nut sack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 13 2009, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That kind of sharp chicanes and very fast S-es is where he have the most trouble withe the bike. He simply can't make an as fast and controlled transition as most of the others can, no doubt because of his size.
Could it simply be he had trouble negotiating the chicane, as in racecraft, as oppose to size? All riders struggle with some areas of the track, some excel at other sectors. Why did you surmise that it must be due to his size? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

I think the size of a rider makes very little difference in how the bike handles. It doesn't take THAT much more weight leverage to flick a bike faster from one side to the other, one can argue that a heavier rider would have more trouble shifting his weight from side to side. As far as braking goes, it's the same argument... a smaller rider means less weight to bring to a stop, it can also be argued that a smaller rider would have trouble with the rear going up when braking hard. But then again I believe the size of a rider in this department have very minimal effect on how a bike performs.

In conclusion, I believe a smaller rider DO have an advantage..... quickness off the line and top end speed goes a long way, even if it's only a 1-2 mph advantage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 14 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not so sure the braking & fairing bangin is due to his overall size, but rather the size of his nut sack.
BINGO!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Jul 15 2009, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you can go ask HER yourself. I remember she said that she was a chick from Brazil or Columbia, one of those kidnapping countries..... j/k Brazilian and Columbian Powersliders.



sorry, i'm going way off topic here, will not reply anymore. may be teo can sort this dude out for calling him a chick!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 15 2009, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not asking if you watch the races. I'm asking if you check the results and standings after races. If you say his size is such an advantage, should he not have more wins at this point in time of his career that he has currently? He is nowhere near dominant in the premier class and 2-3 wins per season doesn't constitute dominant. Surely his 'rocket starts' mean that he wins races? Right?!?!?!
Dani's small size does give him an acceleration advantage due to a better power to weight ratio than a larger man on the same bike and his small stature probably give him better aero dynamics too. But that in no way guarantee's him to win races. Was it estoril were dani led by a country mile only to chuck it into the air fence. Dani is not so good at leading races, Puig thinks this so much of a problem that he gives false times on his pit board to try and get dani to maintain the gap. Look at this years laguna, rossi reeled him in so much dani only won by 3 10th's. Danis race craft in the pack is not always world class either. so having an advantage is one thing, but knowing what to do with is is quite another.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Jul 15 2009, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not asking if you watch the races. I'm asking if you check the results and standings after races. If you say his size is such an advantage, should he not have more wins at this point in time of his career that he has currently? He is nowhere near dominant in the premier class and 2-3 wins per season doesn't constitute dominant. Surely his 'rocket starts' mean that he wins races? Right?!?!?!

In a word no.

First off I was being sarcastic about watching the races. Motogp is my temple.
Second, I never said he had an advantage. I just mentioned he gets a better start I also said (in a sense) that they spend a fortune in development making these machines as light as possible pushing the power to weight ratios to the limit. I think it makes sense that they would look for guys that are as light as possible.
Dani is arguably the best starter on the grid and I'm sure his weight plays a part in that (however small(no pun)). I can also guarantee you that if Dani was not as ...... up as he was\is last year and so far pretty much all of this year. He would have alot more points and race wins, plus the fact that since the introduction of the 800's the Honda has been ......

In this 800 procession era qualifying has never been as important, if you dont qualify so good and can gain a few places at the very start and work your way up even further as the race pans out then that it great for that rider. Remember you dont have to win many races to become the champ, think '06. As they guys have mentioned there is as much a disadvantage as there is an advantage in being a small motogp rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 15 2009, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani's small size does give him an acceleration advantage due to a better power to weight ratio than a larger man on the same bike and his small stature probably give him better aero dynamics too. But that in no way guarantee's him to win races. Was it estoril were dani led by a country mile only to chuck it into the air fence. Dani is not so good at leading races, Puig thinks this so much of a problem that he gives false times on his pit board to try and get dani to maintain the gap. Look at this years laguna, rossi reeled him in so much dani only won by 3 10th's. Danis race craft in the pack is not always world class either. so having an advantage is one thing, but knowing what to do with is is quite another.


Well siad Rog