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Who replaces Stoner at HRC for 2013

Who rides the Repsol Honda's in 2013?

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I thought the bit where he says "money cannot make you happy, but at least it enables you to be miserable in comfort" hit home for me...



http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/4464/the-day-stoner-shocked-the-motogp-paddock/



Casey Stoner will quit MotoGP having just turned 27 years of age when the final race of the 2012 season takes place at Valencia on November 10. And it was that announcement that Le Mans 2012 will be remembered for.

After 13 years on the road – he left his family home in Australia to come to a cold and wintry England to ride in the British Superbike-supporting Aprilia Cup; he has grown up into a grand prix winner, a world traveller, husband and father. Oh, and he's won 35 MotoGP races – which could become 40 before he retires – and two, possibly three, MotoGP world championships.

That's an awful lot to cram into such a young life, but he's decided it's enough. He's admitted there were many different reasons: the hassle, the travel, the press, the TV cameras, the autograph hunters in the paddock, getting recognised at airports, the boos on stage at Silverstone.

It's all been enough for a lad born and bred in the country, and he now wants that part of his life to end and the next part to begin. He's happily married and wants to enjoy life on a quiet farm or neighbourhood rather than in a tax haven, a motorhome at a track or on an aeroplane.

Remember that the majority of the paddock lives in Europe and two thirds of the season is only a hop away from home for them. Not so for the Stoners, who live a day-and-a-half away on the other side of the planet...

Obviously, Stoner's been remunerated handsomely for his endeavours on a MotoGP bike, so he has enough money for the future. HRC offered him the moon to stay on for 2013 but he claims he's not motivated by money and has chosen to walk. It seems a lot of little things built up until MotoGP stopped resembling, as Stoner put it, "the championship I fell in love with."

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Stoner's family is supporting his decision © XPB

I once walked out of a nice job because lots of little things had built up to make me unhappy, too. Marching out of said job on a Wednesday lunchtime was one of the best days of my life, so I can sympathise with Stoner for jacking it all in. As someone I knew once said, 'money cannot make you happy, but at least it enables you to be miserable in comfort'. It's his life and only he knows his own mind.

What he has shown the world over the past seven MotoGP seasons is grit, spirit and sheer bloody-mindedness as he hussles a grand prix motorcycle around a race track in a style that we've never seen before. It has been an unparalleled joy to watch.

The wonders of HD super-slo-mo TV have shown us stuff we cannot see with the naked eye. There are those who don't appreciate what he can do on a MotoGP bike, but they are the people who have no comprehension of what's needed to even qualify on the back row of the grid, let alone claim poles and victories at this level. What people don't like about him is that he's not a Valentino Rossi or a Marco Simoncelli or a Jorge Lorenzo in character. But he's not paid to imitate them; he's paid to beat them.

People blur their heroes, those they want to emulate, with riders who are actually good at riding a bike and beating everyone. There is a difference, folks.

One gets the impression that if Stoner could arrive in an invisible cloak to the track, appear like magic in the garage with his helmet on 10 minutes before the race, wring the neck of a 154kg 260bhp bike faster than anyone else in the world over the following 45 minutes, celebrate whatever result with his team, not have to speak with the press and go home by time machine, he'd be a happy man and would stay on in MotoGP. Alas, that isn't on the job description.

Rhetoric in front of the TV cameras hasn't been one of his strong points, highlighted only minutes after his retirement announcement by his criticism of the media for not always supporting MotoGP – before he then gave the sport a pasting over its current rules and future direction.

That left many of the freelance journalists, who pay their own way to attend every race, a little perplexed. That's not what will be remembered about Casey Stoner by the worldwide audience though, because once the helmet goes on, he's top of the tree.

It's worth reminding yourself of his MotoGP highlights: pole at the second race he ever rode on a MotoGP bike in 2006 on a satellite Honda with second-string Michelin tyres and all after spending the night caught in an airport en route to the Qatar track. Oh, and he had a streaming cold, too.

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Stoner's news came as a surprise to the MotoGP paddock © XPB

At the very next race he nearly won, pipped by just 0.2 seconds by a works Honda. He had arrived in just three races. After being the fourth choice (behind Sete Gibernau, Marco Melandri and Nicky Hayden) to ride the all new 800cc Ducati in 2007, Stoner won his first race on the bike and nine other races from the 18 grands prix. He beat the second-placed man in the championship, Dani Pedrosa, by 125 points; five clear wins worth of points.

The 2008 season produced some ugly crashes but he still won six times. Oh how Ducati yearn for those victories now.

On Ducati's 2009 carbon fibre chassis Stoner won four times, even though he didn't even go to Brno, Indy and Misano due to a lactose-intolerance illness. Following that three-race hiatus, he finished second at Estoril, won in Australia and Malaysia and then crashed on the warm-up lap at Valencia, where he had qualified on pole.

Then the dark times started at Ducati, when even Stoner struggled in a team that had taken him to the top of the world. A change of handlebar position at Aragon opened the door to victories as the 2010 season ebbed away, but by now the deal with Honda had been done for 2011 and 2012. Only a crashing Valentino Rossi at Jerez last year prevented the Australian from finishing on the podium in every race he contested in 2011. His 10 victories left the others scrabbling around for crumbs.

It remains to be seen what will happen this year, but three more wins would lift him above Mike Hailwood and into fourth in the all-time winners' list.

What he will do in retirement has nothing whatsoever to do with the outside world beyond his family. It has happened at top-level sport before and it will happen again. Swiss skier Pirmin Zurbriggen won the Kitzbuhel downhill at 21, the World Cup four times, and Olympic gold, but retired at 27. Kiwi F1 driver Mike Thackwell was a genius behind the wheel, but packed it all in and went home at 27 and never came back. I'm sure there are other sports stars around the world who you could add to a list as long as your arm.

The difficult thing for these guys is walk away and never come back. Adrenaline is a powerful drug and, by definition, these guys get addicted to it racing bikes at over 200mph. And especially when someone is paying you over €500,000 a weekend to do it!

Some stay in the sport with team management, TV commentary or an organisational role, while others head off to the family business to build up a multi-million-dollar empire that keeps their mind busy with the resulting spoils. One gets the impression that Stoner might do some V8 Supercar driving in Australia but former 500cc world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner have already muttered that Stoner may come back one day – and they speak from a position of experience.

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Will Stoner return to the sport in the future? © XPB

New sports stars come to light after people retire, with the crowds finding new champions and new darlings to adore. It's happened before and it will happen again. In the meantime, however, whatever your opinion of Stoner, just appreciate these remaining 14 races. After all, he can ride a bike like we've never witnessed before.

So what of HRC's steamroller dream team that was arguably formed around Casey Stoner from the start of 2010 when they lured Livio Suppo away from Ducati? The news that Stoner is leaving has been a bombshell to them more than anyone else in the paddock because they now have to start talking to people they didn't expect to be talking to for 2013.

Perhaps they'd be happy to see the return of Valentino Rossi, who last rode for them in 2003? According to the management, Lorenzo, Rossi and Cal Crutchlow were not in the picture until a few days ago. HRC is going to have to entertain all parties now. Dani Pedrosa could be heaving a sign of relief, too, as he's now in a position of continuation with the squad.

I watched Rossi's reaction during Casey Stoner's announcement at Le Mans; he just stared into the floor turning over in his mind what this now means for the MotoGP rider market. When Rossi left HRC in a huff at the end of '03, the man in charge at the time was stubborn and bolshy enough to say that Honda would beat the Italian the year after by making a bike faster than before.

They got that spectacularly wrong as Rossi rubbed their noses in it for the next two years on a previously unsuccessful Yamaha. Honda management has changed, as it does, with Koji Nakajima now long gone. That was nine years ago and time is a great healer. Pride must not get in the way of any decision by HRC as it looks more and more likely that Pedrosa will struggle to win the MotoGP title. He's in his seventh season with the works Honda squad now.

Rossi said after Stoner's retirement statement that he intends to win a race in the next two seasons, so he's available. He loves the paddock, has a crowd of close buddies always around and laughs his head off with the mechanics behind closed doors no matter how bad this season may be going.

The question is whether he wants to go back to Honda or stick with turning around Ducati, and fulfilling the fairytale of an Italian rider winning on an Italian bike. In order for that to happen, someone may need to steal a leaf out of the F1 management book by recruiting Masao Furasawa, who guided Rossi through the seven golden years at Yamaha. Rather like Adrian Newey and Ross Brawn with their Midas touch in F1.

What about Jorge Lorenzo? He seems quite happy at Yamaha. Sources at key sponsor Repsol have also said they won't have two Spanish riders in the works HRC team.

But what if a weight has been lifted from Casey Stoner's shoulders following his announcement last weekend? What if he decides to stay on, even with another team? Anything is possible at the moment in MotoGP, as one of the most intriguing games of musical chairs unfolds.
 
-classing Rossi as (your words) a 'B' choice rider, I firmly believe that this is absolute rubbish and he should be mentioned above Lorenzo.



Nothing supposed, Yamaha chose Jorge over Rossi-

Huh? You responding to me or debating yourself?



So you think Yamaha, who atm need to try a lock up a rider post haste before Honda do, should ignore the fact Lorenzo is leading the championship and make a play for Rossi first. Maybe, I don't automatically discount that Rossi can't win the championship next year. But such a move would seriously piss off Lorenzo and almost guarantee a move to Honda. On the other hand, locking up Lorenzo now would not piss off Rossi imo and still allow the possibility of getting both. That's plan A/B rider analysis, not an assessment of relative achievements.
 
Lorenzo must make the first move.

Assuming he stays at Yamaha, Honda makes moves 2 and 3: sign Dani, replace Casey. It may seem unrealistic, but Rea has a shot at HRC, especially for a 1 year deal. (Btw, he's fing reckless like Simoncelli. But he ended up lapping faster than Aoyama at Sepang)

Marquez gets move 4. CataCaixa can lease a Honda or buy an ART. They have stated their desire for idependence. I think they will try the ART, tbh it may be a solid bike by August.. This should lead Repsol to reallocate some funds, further affirming the placement of a second tier rider next to Dani. Dovi is not welcome back at repail. Honda won'thave enough faith in Ben by signing time. Cals only direction is a a seat swap with spies.

Move 5, Ben wins at laguna and gets a 1yr.

Move 6, cal re signs early to spite dovi

Move 7, Dovi to Gresini.

Move 8, Bautista to repsol on 1 yr. Jullian is wrong.

9, Bradl signs big money deal with BMW, teaming with Haslam or Edwards

10. LCR takes back Randy.

11. Aspar takes pasini.

Rossi podiums fair and square at mugello. Signs 2year deal but only stays 1. Does a few SBK races in 2014 and is a good Ducati ambassador

Hayden gets 2 year deal with Ducati, features in sbk in 2013, rides full time in 2014.
 
Huh? You responding to me or debating yourself?



So you think Yamaha, who atm need to try a lock up a rider post haste before Honda do, should ignore the fact Lorenzo is leading the championship and make a play for Rossi first. Maybe, I don't automatically discount that Rossi can't win the championship next year. But such a move would seriously piss off Lorenzo and almost guarantee a move to Honda. On the other hand, locking up Lorenzo now would not piss off Rossi imo and still allow the possibility of getting both. That's plan A/B rider analysis, not an assessment of relative achievements.

No way would Rossi leave Ducati and go back to yamaha with Lorenzo still there. You neo's are hopping for that because it would say he failed at ducati and had to go back to yam with his tail between his legs and play second fiddle to lorenzo. Sorry dude that aint going to happen. Remember the reasons Rossi left yam. He took a wage reduction and gave yam sponsorship money to help further development of the M1, instead yam gave that money to lorenzo.

I could see Rossi going to Honda but still believe he will stay at ducati ,unless ducati pull out of the sport or JB retires. I think the achievement and rewards of making the ducati into a race winning or even a championship contending bike is a greater appeal than another championship on a Yam or Honda. A championship on the Ducati would be the pinnacle of his career, especially after so many had written him and ducati off.
 
No way would Rossi leave Ducati and go back to yamaha with Lorenzo still there. You neo's are hopping for that because it would say he failed at ducati and had to go back to yam with his tail between his legs and play second fiddle to lorenzo. Sorry dude that aint going to happen. Remember the reasons Rossi left yam. He took a wage reduction and gave yam sponsorship money to help further development of the M1, instead yam gave that money to lorenzo.

I could see Rossi going to Honda but still believe he will stay at ducati ,unless ducati pull out of the sport or JB retires. I think the achievement and rewards of making the ducati into a race winning or even a championship contending bike is a greater appeal than another championship on a Yam or Honda. A championship on the Ducati would be the pinnacle of his career, especially after so many had written him and ducati off.

Me neo isnt hoping for anything other than a second coming.



The first play is for Lorenzo, the current championship leader and most valuable asset. Yes I know Rossi has nine. BTW did you know Lorenzo and even Pedro have three, and Dovi has a forgotten one! Who cares you say.



Whoever loses Lorenzo has to get the best available to defeat him. Either Pedro or Rossi. If it were me I would go for Rossi, I cant find a reason why not to, because thats how much he is worth. Which means a big offer and a possible championship, can Rossi resist? If Rossi says no then go Pedro, because Pedro isnt going anywhere in a hurry.



Thats economic game theory I guess, not considering the emotions involved.
 
I think honda might be prepared to pay jorge more, but I agree his decision will be influenced by whether he wins this year. My opinion is that rossi on a yamaha would beat jorge on a honda.



I also agree that rossi made the difference in the recent race, but don't think stoner has suddenly lost his wet track ability; the conditions were more intermediate as roger said.



What is important to bare in mind is Lorenzo doesn't think the Honda beat him. He knows it's Stoner that beat him. Lorenzo has been able to keep Pedrosa at bay while he's been on the Yamaha. I would imagine he'll use the threat of leaving as a bargaining tool - but continue to stay on the Yamaha which handles well rather than leave for Honda which would entail learning a whole new bike. I think this is especially so given the well-established issues with chatter on the Honda. Coincidentally - If Lorenzo stays at Yamaha I think they would be less inclined to bring Rossi back into the fold and if Honda holds a grudge - that leaves Rossi out in the cold and keeps him out of Lorenzo's hair.
 
Thanks for the link #22

Enjoying the thread & the speculation.

Surprised Bradl has so many votes.

I think Honda know they have to have Lorenzo or Rossi to win the title next year.

I don't think Pedrosa can do it.
 
Thanks for the link #22

Enjoying the thread & the speculation.

Surprised Bradl has so many votes.

I think Honda know they have to have Lorenzo or Rossi to win the title next year.

I don't think Pedrosa can do it.
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Burgess is leaving at the end of the season, isn't he? His wife's been crook - I think he wants to enjoy what time they have left.

I believe it's just a rumour, as far as i'm aware nothing official has been said but given his wife's health issues i wouldn't discount it.
 
No he isn't retiring at the end of the season and his wife is doing well, confirmed by Alex Briggs twitter.

Good to hear she is on the mend. I wouldn't blame JB if he did call it a day. family comes first and i don't think anybody could do anything other than with them well after the decades of service he has given our sport. I hope he stays though, just wouldn't be the same without him.
 
Lorenzo will most likely take Stoner's seat on the Repsol. He's fast, he's young, and he's won a gp title already. Also, Rossi wouldn't end up there because theres still some tension between him and the HRC big whigs Rossi's situation could go many ways. He could end up at Yamaha, or there's also speculation that he wants to lease his own bikes and start his own team. Let's not forget, if Ducati gets things moving in the right direction quickly (by Mugello or Laguna) he would like to stay with them and win some races (hopefully another championship....).



Along with all these current motogp riders going to different teams, there are also several moto2 boys that'll probably be making their way up to the premier class next season (Marquez for sure, possibly Iannone). I know they cant take any factory seats in their first year, but even taking some of the satellite seats could make things pretty interesting. Whatever happens, its gonna be fun to watch over the next couple of months.
 
Lorenzo will most likely take Stoner's seat on the Repsol. He's fast, he's young, and he's won a gp title already.



Based on what? He's on a competitive bike, with a team he is comfortable in and where he is top dog.



The only reason I could see him leaving is if Honda offer him so much cash as to make it impossible to turn them down - but then they could probably get Rossi for a lot less...



As to Rossi leasing his own bikes - I really doubt it. He has first-hand knowledge of the difference between a competitive Factory bike and an uncompetitive one, why would he blow his dough on an uncompetitive satellite bike?



I think the only way he would be on a satellite bike is if it was a full-works jobbie, paid for by Dorna.
 
Lorenzo will most likely take Stoner's seat on the Repsol. He's fast, he's young, and he's won a gp title already. Also, Rossi wouldn't end up there because theres still some tension between him and the HRC big whigs Rossi's situation could go many ways. He could end up at Yamaha, or there's also speculation that he wants to lease his own bikes and start his own team. Let's not forget, if Ducati gets things moving in the right direction quickly (by Mugello or Laguna) he would like to stay with them and win some races (hopefully another championship....).



Along with all these current motogp riders going to different teams, there are also several moto2 boys that'll probably be making their way up to the premier class next season (Marquez for sure, possibly Iannone). I know they cant take any factory seats in their first year, but even taking some of the satellite seats could make things pretty interesting. Whatever happens, its gonna be fun to watch over the next couple of months.

It's so long since Rossi left HRC that NONE of the people who he fell out with are still there, so no bad blood now. Also i can't see Lorenzo leaving Yamaha for Honda. Why would he?
 

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